Source London 3.6p/min according to 1/1/17 renewal demand

[supermono]

Am I missing something here? Their 16A charger can only provide about 40p of electricity an hour even at domestic rates, they're wanting over 2 quid for that.

Whilst it'll still make financial sense to drive in, seems a bit extortionate.

Or is my maths screwed up?

[Bee_Jay]

Nope, your maths is right. In essence the French company that bought the network wants people to not use them and instead ultimately have them for their hire-by-the-hour EV business.

They still don't have an occasional use plan, discouraging non-Londoners from occasionally driving into London.

[essayer]

I don't reckon destination charging has any future in the U.K.
All the schemes are starting to implement ridiculous pricing and without interoperability you won't want to subscribe to every scheme on the off chance you'll use a post.
Within a few years most BEVs will be 150 miles plus, I just can't ever see it's worth the hassle of trying to find or book charging points compared to using the car like normal

[Bee_Jay]

essayer said:

I don't reckon destination charging has any future in the U.K.
All the schemes are starting to implement ridiculous pricing and without interoperability you won't want to subscribe to every scheme on the off chance you'll use a post.
Within a few years most BEVs will be 150 miles plus, I just can't ever see it's worth the hassle of trying to find or book charging points compared to using the car like normal

Indeed, I am coming round to the idea that en-route rapids to compliment home charging will become the norm as longer-range (200mile+) EVs become available.

Destination chargers in places like hotels and all-day car-parks will also make sense as a compliment to home-charging while the rapid networks and locations increase.

[supermono]

That's definitely a shame. I knew the wheels would come off eventually but I was hoping the gravy train would continue to run for a couple more years at least.

Focusing on Westminster, they're subsidising these spaces by allowing free parking on there plus congestion charge isn't due -- all apparently to encourage EV usage. Surely they have a say in the availability of non-punative charging models for their electric providers. In fact I'd always assumed they paid Source London for the electricity.

[JonV8V]

Tesla are going against the grain then as they're pushing destination chargers more than building new super chargers. I think at hotels and places you'd park overnight, even long stay car parks does make sense. It's at super markets, shopping centres and the like where they seem pointless. There needs to be a solution for airport parking, very long connected times and low charge rates. A waterproof 3 pin plug would do.

[Phunk]

It's a shame things are going this way. I've gone back to ICE as it's now cheaper than EV. I live in a flat so destination charging is my only option

[Bee_Jay]

Tesla destination chargers make sense in shopping centres as they are generally 3-phase 22kW units meaning that depending on the chargers in your car you can get up to or even over 60 miles per hour into the car which means you get a meaningful amount back in a 2 hour shopping trip compared to the 8 miles an hour you would get on a 13A socket.

Driving to a hotel in Cornwall a destination charger makes a lot of sense - Supercharge on the way, then charge overnight when you arrive. In this case even just a 7kW would be OK (which is what I have fitted to our cottage in Devon).

I would love there to be loads of 13A sockets in the airport car parks though!

[JonV8V]

Bee_Jay said:

Tesla destination chargers make sense in shopping centres as they are generally 3-phase 22kW units meaning that depending on the chargers in your car you can get up to or even over 60 miles per hour into the car which means you get a meaningful amount back in a 2 hour shopping trip compared to the 8 miles an hour you would get on a 13A socket.

Driving to a hotel in Cornwall a destination charger makes a lot of sense - Supercharge on the way, then charge overnight when you arrive. In this case even just a 7kW would be OK (which is what I have fitted to our cottage in Devon).

I would love there to be loads of 13A sockets in the airport car parks though!

I disagree about shopping centres as it will just lead to (or continue) abuse. Very very few people go to shopping centres more than 50 miles from where they live so nobody should need to charge at a shopping centre. A hotel, by definition is some distance from where you live and replaces your home overnight charge. Tesla scored an own goal with the superchargers at Sainsburys and are removing them (albeit for more complex reasons that just abuse) but they were often blocked by people doing their weekly shop and plugged in.