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BBC news item headline: Tesla to make all new cars self-driving:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37711489
Guardian item saying a similar thing:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/20/elon-musk-says-fully-self-driving-tesla-cars-already-being-built
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37711489
Guardian item saying a similar thing:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/20/elon-musk-says-fully-self-driving-tesla-cars-already-being-built
Edited by dobly on Thursday 20th October 23:18
Edited by dobly on Thursday 20th October 23:21
dobly said:
On the contrary (for now):http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/20/did_you_re...
article said:
While this is occurring, Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control.
Edit: Oh and ... ouch! This new system will come at $12,000 (£9,200), while the current Autopilot features cost about $3,000 (£2,100).I'm thinking when I get the chance to order a Model 3 it won't be that cheap after options I want
Edited by caseys on Thursday 20th October 10:32
I'm pretty sure I read that this new "Autopilot Hardware 2.0" if you like, will be priced as a $8,000 USD option on the Model 3, so about £6,500 GBP maybe?
Sounds expensive at first, but for a system that could take your kids to school or your Grandmother home without you needing to be there, it's pretty reasonable I think. Plus, it'll be a very good car even if you don't spec Autopilot (as I probably wouldn't).
Sounds expensive at first, but for a system that could take your kids to school or your Grandmother home without you needing to be there, it's pretty reasonable I think. Plus, it'll be a very good car even if you don't spec Autopilot (as I probably wouldn't).
Beginning today, all Tesla cars manufactured from this day only will have full 'Level 5 Autonomous Driving Capability' hardware. This means they are capable of completely driving themselves point to point without the need for a human.
The software will be ready by mid-2017, and then will need to go through regulatory and government approval, but a completely driver-free car is almost here, and Tesla is leading the field.
The software will be ready by mid-2017, and then will need to go through regulatory and government approval, but a completely driver-free car is almost here, and Tesla is leading the field.
M3Driver said:
Beginning today, all Tesla cars manufactured from this day only will have full 'Level 5 Autonomous Driving Capability' hardware. This means they are capable of completely driving themselves point to point without the need for a human.
The software will be ready by mid-2017, and then will need to go through regulatory and government approval, but a completely driver-free car is almost here, and Tesla is leading the field.
Is it bThe software will be ready by mid-2017, and then will need to go through regulatory and government approval, but a completely driver-free car is almost here, and Tesla is leading the field.
ks.By mid 17, there won't be a legal driverless anything - tech not near ready yet.
You say that, but then I'm surprised that they've allowed auto cruise, i.e. Auto speed, brake, steer, accelerate in most countries so far. I thought that would come up against a lot more in the way of issues.
I suppose if they can prove quite quickly that it is genuinely safer than a human, it'll happen quite quickly.
I suppose if they can prove quite quickly that it is genuinely safer than a human, it'll happen quite quickly.
They may be marginally safer on motorways, but they're the safest roads anyway. There's way too many variables on most roads and they'll never be able to see potential accidents before they happen like experienced drivers do.
I think self driving cars are a horrible idea and I really can't see why they're wasting so much money on them.
I think self driving cars are a horrible idea and I really can't see why they're wasting so much money on them.
Well, given that self driving trains and self flying planes are not yet things, I'm sticking with my assertation that it'll never happen without a huge jump in tech.
Once they deem it safe enough to have no pilot on a plane, then maybe, just maybe they'll have a chance of getting it done. Driverless cars require 4 d work, we've not even mastered fully autonomous 2d yet (trains) or 3D (planes), and those both allow a reasonable element of "deal with your own st, few things unexpected are coming". Fully autonomous cars will require all sorts of things the geeks aren't yet looking at. Annoying "wash your screen" pikies. Crash for cash muppets.,anyone who owns a dashcam. All of these will need specific algorithms to compensate for their spurious use of the roads..
Once they deem it safe enough to have no pilot on a plane, then maybe, just maybe they'll have a chance of getting it done. Driverless cars require 4 d work, we've not even mastered fully autonomous 2d yet (trains) or 3D (planes), and those both allow a reasonable element of "deal with your own s
t, few things unexpected are coming". Fully autonomous cars will require all sorts of things the geeks aren't yet looking at. Annoying "wash your screen" pikies. Crash for cash muppets.,anyone who owns a dashcam. All of these will need specific algorithms to compensate for their spurious use of the roads..M3Driver said:
You say that, but then I'm surprised that they've allowed auto cruise, i.e. Auto speed, brake, steer, accelerate in most countries so far. I thought that would come up against a lot more in the way of issues.
I suppose if they can prove quite quickly that it is genuinely safer than a human, it'll happen quite quickly.
All of these things are allowed only as additional safety. You are still in front of pedals and a steering wheel and are expected to be responsible for what your car does. If your autonomous vehicle ploughs into someone else who is liable? Good luck pinning it on the manufacturer.I suppose if they can prove quite quickly that it is genuinely safer than a human, it'll happen quite quickly.
Some Gump said:
Well, given that self driving trains and self flying planes are not yet things, I'm sticking with my assertation that it'll never happen without a huge jump in tech.
Once they deem it safe enough to have no pilot on a plane, then maybe, just maybe they'll have a chance of getting it done. Driverless cars require 4 d work, we've not even mastered fully autonomous 2d yet (trains) or 3D (planes), and those both allow a reasonable element of "deal with your own st, few things unexpected are coming". Fully autonomous cars will require all sorts of things the geeks aren't yet looking at. Annoying "wash your screen" pikies. Crash for cash muppets.,anyone who owns a dashcam. All of these will need specific algorithms to compensate for their spurious use of the roads..
There are self flying planes, that do everything from rollout to brake.Once they deem it safe enough to have no pilot on a plane, then maybe, just maybe they'll have a chance of getting it done. Driverless cars require 4 d work, we've not even mastered fully autonomous 2d yet (trains) or 3D (planes), and those both allow a reasonable element of "deal with your own s
t, few things unexpected are coming". Fully autonomous cars will require all sorts of things the geeks aren't yet looking at. Annoying "wash your screen" pikies. Crash for cash muppets.,anyone who owns a dashcam. All of these will need specific algorithms to compensate for their spurious use of the roads..DLR is completely driverless.
Google has 100,000's if not 1m's driverless miles already (ok with a human there ready to hit the BRB, but they have much lower accident rates than driven cars)
Sticking your head in the sand wont make it not happen
pherlopolus said:
There are self flying planes, that do everything from rollout to brake.
>>Licensed to carry passengers? Totally autonomous, making their own decisions not just remote control / pre programmed? Missiles don't count =)
DLR is completely driverless.
>>Nope, doesn't count. It's completely controlled from a large room somewhere. The trains are not autonomous in any way shape or form.
Google has 100,000's if not 1m's driverless miles already (ok with a human there ready to hit the BRB, but they have much lower accident rates than driven cars)
Sticking your head in the sand wont make it not happen
>> I'll be happy when it does. In 2080 or whenever we have the technology. To get autonomous cars is a huge, huge hurdle.
I've no link to an autonomous plane (I've never read about one), but the DLR works like this:>>Licensed to carry passengers? Totally autonomous, making their own decisions not just remote control / pre programmed? Missiles don't count =)
DLR is completely driverless.
>>Nope, doesn't count. It's completely controlled from a large room somewhere. The trains are not autonomous in any way shape or form.
Google has 100,000's if not 1m's driverless miles already (ok with a human there ready to hit the BRB, but they have much lower accident rates than driven cars)
Sticking your head in the sand wont make it not happen
>> I'll be happy when it does. In 2080 or whenever we have the technology. To get autonomous cars is a huge, huge hurdle.
the web said:
How does fully automatic control of a train work?
The movement of a train and the control commands are not indicated by signals, but are issued via data communication between the train and trackside communications equipment. All of these systems operate similarly:
A trackside computer tracks all trains in the assigned section of line and calculates the movement of each train. As a result, trains are routed continuously and can then run at shorter headways than when driven manually by a driver.
In fully automated mode, metro trains are driven by the automatic train control (ATC) in combination with control and protection of the line by interlockings.
To this end, the trackside computers are constantly exchanging data with the computers of the higher-level system in the control center and the computers in the train by radio.
On board the train, the Automatic Train Operation (ATO) system replaces the metro driver and controls the train’s speed.
The ATO computer is monitored and, if necessary, corrected by the Automatic Train Protection (ATP) system.
For Musk to use this tech, he'd have to replace every single car in the region with a new "driverless" car, AND provide the comms / processing to instruct all of them simultaneously how to operate. We can't use current tech to all text the kids at midnight on NYE, how are we going to process a city full of cars in real time?The movement of a train and the control commands are not indicated by signals, but are issued via data communication between the train and trackside communications equipment. All of these systems operate similarly:
A trackside computer tracks all trains in the assigned section of line and calculates the movement of each train. As a result, trains are routed continuously and can then run at shorter headways than when driven manually by a driver.
In fully automated mode, metro trains are driven by the automatic train control (ATC) in combination with control and protection of the line by interlockings.
To this end, the trackside computers are constantly exchanging data with the computers of the higher-level system in the control center and the computers in the train by radio.
On board the train, the Automatic Train Operation (ATO) system replaces the metro driver and controls the train’s speed.
The ATO computer is monitored and, if necessary, corrected by the Automatic Train Protection (ATP) system.
Some Gump said:
For Musk to use this tech, he'd have to replace every single car in the region with a new "driverless" car, AND provide the comms / processing to instruct all of them simultaneously how to operate. We can't use current tech to all text the kids at midnight on NYE, how are we going to process a city full of cars in real time?
Oh,lets not bother developing it then cos some bloke on the internet says it can't be done.Of course it is different, it's a completely different scenario. but some other technology denier earlier was sighting that these things hadn't been done, and they have been for many years.
Driverless tech is already here. I can't wait
FFS. Calling custard on this marketing claim isn't the same as being the wooden bender in Futurama. Anyways, for the second time in 2 posts your argument is sideways. You used the DLR system to indicate we had autonomous trains. I said the comms to use that version of tech (centralised control) doesn't exist.
Neither is relevant. Musks claim is that he's got fully autonomous driverless cars (not using any form of outside comms for processing) coming as soon as 2017. I'm saying custard. Happy to be corrected if there's any evidence to the contrary, but I'm yet to see it.
Neither is relevant. Musks claim is that he's got fully autonomous driverless cars (not using any form of outside comms for processing) coming as soon as 2017. I'm saying custard. Happy to be corrected if there's any evidence to the contrary, but I'm yet to see it.
Some Gump said:
FFS. Calling custard on this marketing claim isn't the same as being the wooden bender in Futurama. Anyways, for the second time in 2 posts your argument is sideways. You used the DLR system to indicate we had autonomous trains. I said the comms to use that version of tech (centralised control) doesn't exist.
Neither is relevant. Musks claim is that he's got fully autonomous driverless cars (not using any form of outside comms for processing) coming as soon as 2017. I'm saying custard. Happy to be corrected if there's any evidence to the contrary, but I'm yet to see it.
Ignoring the sideways move to talking about trains (I didn't bring them up), you do realise what google have been doing for 4 years don't you?Neither is relevant. Musks claim is that he's got fully autonomous driverless cars (not using any form of outside comms for processing) coming as soon as 2017. I'm saying custard. Happy to be corrected if there's any evidence to the contrary, but I'm yet to see it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_self-driving_...
They are aiming to have all the current limitations (debris, manual signals by police officers etc) fixed by 2020, this is on about 1m miles of research.
Tesla cars with autopilot currently send data back to improve the data available for the next autopilot (2.0?), they must have nearly 100m miles of data now...
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