4,500 charge points and 8,500 petrol stations UK

[Welshbeef]

In the news by 2020 there will be more charge points than petrol stations.

Partly due to the ongoing increase in charge points but also petrol stations are closing down all the time. Petrol station highs were 39,000 apparently in the UK. - maybe they were the 2 pump style and not self service

[JonV8V]

Given destination chargers can cost less than a grand to install and to fill a EV you need to be attached for anything up to 100 times longer than a petrol pump, it's no real surprise. Chuck in home charging and I wouldn't be surprised if it's already higher.

[anonymous-user]

Is that petroleum stations or pumps? Is it charge points or charging locations?

The comparison should be between pumps and points shouldn't it?

[Welshbeef]

REALIST123 said:

Is that petroleum stations or pumps? Is it charge points or charging locations?

The comparison should be between pumps and points shouldn't it?

Not sure it was on R4 - I would assume they don't mean counting individual charge points at the same location v an entire forecourt of petrol pumps.

[mcflurry]

Even without electric and hybrids the number of petrol stations would go down as mpg increases - if you have a 50mpg car you need to fill up half the time vs a 25 mpg one

[TartanPaint]

What a pointless comparison. Chalk vs cheese. I'll be impressed when there are more EV parking spaces than non-EV parking spaces.

[TooMany2cvs]

Welshbeef said:

REALIST123 said:

Is that petroleum stations or pumps? Is it charge points or charging locations?

The comparison should be between pumps and points shouldn't it?

Not sure it was on R4 - I would assume they don't mean counting individual charge points at the same location v an entire forecourt of petrol pumps.

I would imagine it's comparing the number of locations.

So your local Sainsbury forecourt counts as one petrol station - with a dozen pumps, and an average of 5 minutes at each. And the Sainsbury car park count as one charge location - with four charger-equipped parking bays, and an average of an hour at each. When they're working.

So that's one in each camp, but a theoretical throughput of four cars per hour charging and 144 cars per hour filling.

Three guesses which one of the two gives the store more added value...

[Welshbeef]

TartanPaint said:

What a pointless comparison. Chalk vs cheese. I'll be impressed when there are more EV parking spaces than non-EV parking spaces.

Well it shows the trend and I'm sure many were not aware of the scale of EV charge points.

[TooMany2cvs]

Welshbeef said:

Well it shows the trend and I'm sure many were not aware of the scale of EV charge points.

Turns out there's even one in my local small town.

One. And it doesn't work, and hasn't for quite some time.

[Welshbeef]

TooMany2cvs said:

Welshbeef said:

Well it shows the trend and I'm sure many were not aware of the scale of EV charge points.

Turns out there's even one in my local small town.

One. And it doesn't work, and hasn't for quite some time.

Who and how is it reported?
There should be an app which then directs the fault into a Concept/reactive system and such items are aged and fines for failure to fix within the KPI

[TooMany2cvs]

Welshbeef said:

Who and how is it reported?
There should be an app which then directs the fault into a Concept/reactive system and such items are aged and fines for failure to fix within the KPI

<shrug> Clearly nobody's particularly bothered about it.

[Welshbeef]

TooMany2cvs said:

<shrug> Clearly nobody's particularly bothered about it.

I'd like an app for faulty traffic lights - be it blown bulbs OR that they are out of phasing. So many times I see this where I live it's a farce

[essayer]

I'm amazed people charge regularly at town/car park chargers. Where I live they are generally always in use and i can never be bothered to hang about.
I can understand Superchargers and ones at MSAs etc but in town I can't see the value of seeking out a 6kw charger just to charge at a ponderous rate. Especially as battery capacity increases.
The only time I do is in Milton Keynes, but that's because I get free parking

Edited by essayer on Tuesday 9th August 18:43

[TooMany2cvs]

Welshbeef said:

TooMany2cvs said:

<shrug> Clearly nobody's particularly bothered about it.

I'd like an app for faulty traffic lights - be it blown bulbs OR that they are out of phasing. So many times I see this where I live it's a farce

The difference is that traffic lights are your local authority's responsibility. Charging points are a third-party company's responsibility - and their primary revenue stream.

[Welshbeef]

TooMany2cvs said:

Welshbeef said:

TooMany2cvs said:

<shrug> Clearly nobody's particularly bothered about it.

I'd like an app for faulty traffic lights - be it blown bulbs OR that they are out of phasing. So many times I see this where I live it's a farce

The difference is that traffic lights are your local authority's responsibility. Charging points are a third-party company's responsibility - and their primary revenue stream.

Exactly so if they are told they will fix it rather than let an owned which is faulty prevent revenue - it could still be in Warrenty too and the fault a warranty repair so free to get it going. Also the impact to he brand oh X is broken again not reliable.

[TooMany2cvs]

Welshbeef said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Welshbeef said:

TooMany2cvs said:

<shrug> Clearly nobody's particularly bothered about it.

I'd like an app for faulty traffic lights - be it blown bulbs OR that they are out of phasing. So many times I see this where I live it's a farce

The difference is that traffic lights are your local authority's responsibility. Charging points are a third-party company's responsibility - and their primary revenue stream.

Exactly so if they are told they will fix it rather than let an owned which is faulty prevent revenue - it could still be in Warrenty too and the fault a warranty repair so free to get it going. Also the impact to he brand oh X is broken again not reliable.

It's clearly known-about, because it's been on the council's website as OUT OF ORDER for ages. I almost wonder whether it's never worked since install. Perhaps the install's not actually complete?

[Welshbeef]

TooMany2cvs said:

It's clearly known-about, because it's been on the council's website as OUT OF ORDER for ages. I almost wonder whether it's never worked since install. Perhaps the install's not actually complete?

Even worse a bogus installer - tax payers money used to fund it.