Happy Zoe owners?
Discussion
Morning all. We are very close to buying a new Zoe as would be perfect for my wife's 30 mile daily commute and we have an Auris HSD for longer journeys. Latest finance deals are literally giving them away.
But...I have being reading quite a few internet horror stories on reliability. Any more feedback, good or bad?
But...I have being reading quite a few internet horror stories on reliability. Any more feedback, good or bad?
Caruso said:
Just had a look and you can get one for £144 per month including battery fee. It does seem an awful lot cheaper than any of the other EV deals out there.
The deal we are looking at is the £199 per month, that's for 7,500 miles PA, no deposit.The car is approx £20k for the top spec model, you get roughly £5k from the government, £5k from Renault so it's about £10,000 to buy + battery lease.
So I'd we bung in the £4k we are going to get for her Civic, repayments on the car are about £40 per month + battery, so total is £110 per month. Factor in the saving of approx £75 per month over our civic diesel, it's a new car for next to nothing
Big thing is, it has to be reliable, hence the post. There are a few bad stories our there.
Itsallicanafford said:
The deal we are looking at is the £199 per month, that's for 7,500 miles PA, no deposit.
The car is approx £20k for the top spec model, you get roughly £5k from the government, £5k from Renault so it's about £10,000 to buy + battery lease.
So I'd we bung in the £4k we are going to get for her Civic, repayments on the car are about £40 per month + battery, so total is £110 per month. Factor in the saving of approx £75 per month over our civic diesel, it's a new car for next to nothing
Big thing is, it has to be reliable, hence the post. There are a few bad stories our there.
What about a 10k (ish) Nissan approved used Leaf with no battery rental?The car is approx £20k for the top spec model, you get roughly £5k from the government, £5k from Renault so it's about £10,000 to buy + battery lease.
So I'd we bung in the £4k we are going to get for her Civic, repayments on the car are about £40 per month + battery, so total is £110 per month. Factor in the saving of approx £75 per month over our civic diesel, it's a new car for next to nothing
Big thing is, it has to be reliable, hence the post. There are a few bad stories our there.
Had mine 6 mths during which it has provided excellent urban commuting coupled with a wallet boosting smugness while wafting through the london congestion charge with 2 hypothetical fingers raised.
Zero reliability issues. I think the majority of owners having problems tend to have them with charging. It's not clear to me that the issue is the car, probably more the significant variation in on street charger types and technologies that is to blame. I have had a few of these issues where the car won't charge from a charger that is supposedly in service. But I now use one of 4 on street chargers with regularity (including one which would not work with the car when I first got it) with no issue.
If you have your own fitted at home then again I suspect you will have very few issues if any.
I bought one instead of an I3 (for example) as I was uncertain whether this reliance on on-street charging would ultimately prove to be its undoing. Not a bit- I continue to be pleased with it. Small smiles from things like warm car in the morning and fast defrost (no liquids or engine to warm up....) add to my pleasure in it.
Zero reliability issues. I think the majority of owners having problems tend to have them with charging. It's not clear to me that the issue is the car, probably more the significant variation in on street charger types and technologies that is to blame. I have had a few of these issues where the car won't charge from a charger that is supposedly in service. But I now use one of 4 on street chargers with regularity (including one which would not work with the car when I first got it) with no issue.
If you have your own fitted at home then again I suspect you will have very few issues if any.
I bought one instead of an I3 (for example) as I was uncertain whether this reliance on on-street charging would ultimately prove to be its undoing. Not a bit- I continue to be pleased with it. Small smiles from things like warm car in the morning and fast defrost (no liquids or engine to warm up....) add to my pleasure in it.
squirejo said:
Had mine 6 mths during which it has provided excellent urban commuting coupled with a wallet boosting smugness while wafting through the london congestion charge with 2 hypothetical fingers raised.
Zero reliability issues. I think the majority of owners having problems tend to have them with charging. It's not clear to me that the issue is the car, probably more the significant variation in on street charger types and technologies that is to blame. I have had a few of these issues where the car won't charge from a charger that is supposedly in service. But I now use one of 4 on street chargers with regularity (including one which would not work with the car when I first got it) with no issue.
If you have your own fitted at home then again I suspect you will have very few issues if any.
I bought one instead of an I3 (for example) as I was uncertain whether this reliance on on-street charging would ultimately prove to be its undoing. Not a bit- I continue to be pleased with it. Small smiles from things like warm car in the morning and fast defrost (no liquids or engine to warm up....) add to my pleasure in it.
What sort of range are you getting from it? I'm considering one as I generally have a 27 mile commute each way, but I occasionally have to then travel to an office further afield (no charger), which will mean a 100 mile round trip in total. Feels like I would be pushing it at this sort of distance - correct?Zero reliability issues. I think the majority of owners having problems tend to have them with charging. It's not clear to me that the issue is the car, probably more the significant variation in on street charger types and technologies that is to blame. I have had a few of these issues where the car won't charge from a charger that is supposedly in service. But I now use one of 4 on street chargers with regularity (including one which would not work with the car when I first got it) with no issue.
If you have your own fitted at home then again I suspect you will have very few issues if any.
I bought one instead of an I3 (for example) as I was uncertain whether this reliance on on-street charging would ultimately prove to be its undoing. Not a bit- I continue to be pleased with it. Small smiles from things like warm car in the morning and fast defrost (no liquids or engine to warm up....) add to my pleasure in it.
We have had one for the past two months. Actually the wife's car but I use it instead of my E250 whenever possible for local running. I love it.
No reliability issues. No charging issues but we only charge it at home.
Realistic range in Autumn / winter 60 to 80 miles. It's a state of mind thing really - it's like getting used to running round with the fuel light on all the time knowing you have left your wallet at home!
Range isn't an issue for us as a second car.
No reliability issues. No charging issues but we only charge it at home.
Realistic range in Autumn / winter 60 to 80 miles. It's a state of mind thing really - it's like getting used to running round with the fuel light on all the time knowing you have left your wallet at home!
Range isn't an issue for us as a second car.
smn159 said:
Caruso said:
Just had a look and you can get one for £144 per month including battery fee. It does seem an awful lot cheaper than any of the other EV deals out there.
Any more details of this please?
Caruso said:
ttp://www.evanshalshaw.com/brands/renault/ze-range-offers/zoe-offers/zoe-dynamique-intens/low-payment/?gclid=CKjsnJu1gsICFSLHtAodHiUA7Q
Battery rental charges of £45 a month are for only 3.5k per annum. Surely the £540 rental charge per year, costs more than the equivalent fuel for a small petrol engined car, or basically any car, doing 40 mpg+ works out cheaper to run.tony wright said:
Battery rental charges of £45 a month are for only 3.5k per annum. Surely the £540 rental charge per year, costs more than the equivalent fuel for a small petrol engined car, or basically any car, doing 40 mpg+ works out cheaper to run.
Yes, £70 battery rental for a 10k mileage package is obviously better. But... A diesel doing 60mpg covering 10k miles would use £78 / month in fuel, so £70 / month battery rental plus charging costs will work out equivalent to 60mpg it I suspect.Despite the positives of free road tax and the included maintenance package (assuming that my maths are correct), cost wise it doesn't really stack up, plus there is the disadvantage of limited range.
Still want one though
HereBeMonsters said:
Seeing as they're the same company, how similar is a Zoe to a Leaf?
Completely different. Different platform, different battery. Leaf has fast DC charging and slow AC. Zoe only supports AC (fast and slow). Zoe uses parts of the motor to double up as an AC transformer. Very clever, but not mainstream. Zoe originally had issues with very slow AC charging (such as from a UK 13A socket). Zoe has advanced heating, but Nissan now offer that too.I think the next generation of Renault/Nissan EVs will share a lot of parts.
smn159 said:
tony wright said:
Battery rental charges of £45 a month are for only 3.5k per annum. Surely the £540 rental charge per year, costs more than the equivalent fuel for a small petrol engined car, or basically any car, doing 40 mpg+ works out cheaper to run.
Yes, £70 battery rental for a 10k mileage package is obviously better. But... A diesel doing 60mpg covering 10k miles would use £78 / month in fuel, so £70 / month battery rental plus charging costs will work out equivalent to 60mpg it I suspect.Despite the positives of free road tax and the included maintenance package (assuming that my maths are correct), cost wise it doesn't really stack up,
To me, that's an amazing deal for a new car.
c2mike said:
HereBeMonsters said:
Seeing as they're the same company, how similar is a Zoe to a Leaf?
Completely different. Different platform, different battery. Leaf has fast DC charging and slow AC. Zoe only supports AC (fast and slow). Zoe uses parts of the motor to double up as an AC transformer. Very clever, but not mainstream. Zoe originally had issues with very slow AC charging (such as from a UK 13A socket). Zoe has advanced heating, but Nissan now offer that too.I think the next generation of Renault/Nissan EVs will share a lot of parts.
Amateurish said:
smn159 said:
tony wright said:
Battery rental charges of £45 a month are for only 3.5k per annum. Surely the £540 rental charge per year, costs more than the equivalent fuel for a small petrol engined car, or basically any car, doing 40 mpg+ works out cheaper to run.
Yes, £70 battery rental for a 10k mileage package is obviously better. But... A diesel doing 60mpg covering 10k miles would use £78 / month in fuel, so £70 / month battery rental plus charging costs will work out equivalent to 60mpg it I suspect.Despite the positives of free road tax and the included maintenance package (assuming that my maths are correct), cost wise it doesn't really stack up,
To me, that's an amazing deal for a new car.
However- if every car purchase came down to money, we'd all be driving skoda octavia 1.6 diesels. Zero road tax, a million miles to the gallon, Teutonic build and reliability at minimal cost.
Whilst I love the money saving that mine provides (london congestion charge) what I love more is the adoption of new tech, breaking with convention, the silence, the torque and the best drive train ever.
Whilst I love the money saving that mine provides (london congestion charge) what I love more is the adoption of new tech, breaking with convention, the silence, the torque and the best drive train ever.
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