Tesla for long journeys
Discussion
Whistle said:
On the latest software version you can press the button for a single wipe and then scroll the wheel on the left hand side to go through the different wiper speeds. As when you press the button the wiper speed menu comes on the screen in the bottom left hand corner.
Basically you don’t have to let go of the wheel to adjust it.
I suppose you have to use it to know but a wheel to scroll through wiper speeds - and then looking at a menu to (presumably?) confirm a selection on the central touch screen - doesn't sound anywhere near as straightforward as using a stalk on the steering column!Basically you don’t have to let go of the wheel to adjust it.
JNW1 said:
Whistle said:
On the latest software version you can press the button for a single wipe and then scroll the wheel on the left hand side to go through the different wiper speeds. As when you press the button the wiper speed menu comes on the screen in the bottom left hand corner.
Basically you don’t have to let go of the wheel to adjust it.
I suppose you have to use it to know but a wheel to scroll through wiper speeds - and then looking at a menu to (presumably?) confirm a selection on the central touch screen - doesn't sound anywhere near as straightforward as using a stalk on the steering column!Basically you don’t have to let go of the wheel to adjust it.
We manage to use tablet computers so Surely it’s just a matter of familiarity. Once learnt it’s sorted.
I've been to have a look at a 2021 Model 3 LR whilst passing a Car Supermarket today.
Certainly the right choice from a financial aspect and I think it'll be big enough (boot is fine).
2021 plate, 48k and just under £21k. A few stone chips here and there and could probably do with a proper valet / detail but not in bad nick.
The Car Supermarket was a fairly hateful experience, despite me telling the sales chap I couldn't make a decision today. I get they don't want time wasters, but I only had a 5 minute look around the car.
A Model Y LR would be preferable, but there's pretty much a £10k gap in price currently
Certainly the right choice from a financial aspect and I think it'll be big enough (boot is fine).
2021 plate, 48k and just under £21k. A few stone chips here and there and could probably do with a proper valet / detail but not in bad nick.
The Car Supermarket was a fairly hateful experience, despite me telling the sales chap I couldn't make a decision today. I get they don't want time wasters, but I only had a 5 minute look around the car.
A Model Y LR would be preferable, but there's pretty much a £10k gap in price currently
Nomme de Plum said:
JNW1 said:
Whistle said:
On the latest software version you can press the button for a single wipe and then scroll the wheel on the left hand side to go through the different wiper speeds. As when you press the button the wiper speed menu comes on the screen in the bottom left hand corner.
Basically you don’t have to let go of the wheel to adjust it.
I suppose you have to use it to know but a wheel to scroll through wiper speeds - and then looking at a menu to (presumably?) confirm a selection on the central touch screen - doesn't sound anywhere near as straightforward as using a stalk on the steering column!Basically you don’t have to let go of the wheel to adjust it.
We manage to use tablet computers so Surely it’s just a matter of familiarity. Once learnt it’s sorted.
Even on Tesla forums opinion seems to range between "it's ok when you get used to it" and "it's a bit of a pain"; nobody seems to try to seriously suggest it's progress and a genuine improvement over the traditional column stalk system.
quinny100 said:
You can press the right steering wheel button and say Wipers 1/2/3/4/Auto/Off.
Voice control on Tesla’s is pretty good. There is no real need to touch the screen at all whilst you’re driving.
Even if voice control worked perfectly every time - which in my experience with other cars it doesn't - I'm not convinced I could give a verbal instruction as quickly as I could operate a column stalk. So how is the Tesla arrangement better? Seems to me it's being different for the sake of it rather than offering something that actually improves things for the driver. Voice control on Tesla’s is pretty good. There is no real need to touch the screen at all whilst you’re driving.
Maracus said:
I've had my 2024 RWD 6 weeks now, and the indicators took a few journeys to get used to but they are really easy to use.
Well ok but unless they're easier to use than a conventional column stalk isn't it another case of just being different for the sake of it? And from what I've read a number of owners don't share your enthusiasm for the indicator arrangement on the latest cars either (and that includes some who've changed from older model Teslas and were already positive towards the brand).Sorry if the above comes across as anti-Tesla because generally I'm not and actually think there's much to recommend them. But I also think some of what they do in their quest for minimalist interiors goes too far - IMO they should stop trying to fix things that weren't broken!
JNW1 said:
quinny100 said:
You can press the right steering wheel button and say Wipers 1/2/3/4/Auto/Off.
Voice control on Tesla’s is pretty good. There is no real need to touch the screen at all whilst you’re driving.
Even if voice control worked perfectly every time - which in my experience with other cars it doesn't - I'm not convinced I could give a verbal instruction as quickly as I could operate a column stalk. So how is the Tesla arrangement better? Seems to me it's being different for the sake of it rather than offering something that actually improves things for the driver. Voice control on Tesla’s is pretty good. There is no real need to touch the screen at all whilst you’re driving.
Maracus said:
I've had my 2024 RWD 6 weeks now, and the indicators took a few journeys to get used to but they are really easy to use.
Well ok but unless they're easier to use than a conventional column stalk isn't it another case of just being different for the sake of it? And from what I've read a number of owners don't share your enthusiasm for the indicator arrangement on the latest cars either (and that includes some who've changed from older model Teslas and were already positive towards the brand).Sorry if the above comes across as anti-Tesla because generally I'm not and actually think there's much to recommend them. But I also think some of what they do in their quest for minimalist interiors goes too far - IMO they should stop trying to fix things that weren't broken!
JNW1 said:
Well ok but unless they're easier to use than a conventional column stalk isn't it another case of just being different for the sake of it? And from what I've read a number of owners don't share your enthusiasm for the indicator arrangement on the latest cars either (and that includes some who've changed from older model Teslas and were already positive towards the brand).
Sorry if the above comes across as anti-Tesla because generally I'm not and actually think there's much to recommend them. But I also think some of what they do in their quest for minimalist interiors goes too far - IMO they should stop trying to fix things that weren't broken!
I have a 2023 Model3, so with normal stalks, so I cannot comment on the functionality of the buttons on the steering wheel. I do however agree that sometimes they pushed things a little too far for sake of minimalism, but OTOH if you don't try you don't succeed: the fact that there is a mixed feeling towards it means that is not all too shabby. Sorry if the above comes across as anti-Tesla because generally I'm not and actually think there's much to recommend them. But I also think some of what they do in their quest for minimalist interiors goes too far - IMO they should stop trying to fix things that weren't broken!
Despite this I remain a huge fan of mechanical controls, I think that some basic controls must have a tactile feedback to confirm correct input. I don't even like the direction indicator stalks where you give the input and they return to the centre, as I am never sure if I gave just a short command or they remain on.
JNW1 said:
quinny100 said:
You can press the right steering wheel button and say Wipers 1/2/3/4/Auto/Off.
Voice control on Tesla’s is pretty good. There is no real need to touch the screen at all whilst you’re driving.
Even if voice control worked perfectly every time - which in my experience with other cars it doesn't - I'm not convinced I could give a verbal instruction as quickly as I could operate a column stalk. So how is the Tesla arrangement better? Seems to me it's being different for the sake of it rather than offering something that actually improves things for the driver. Voice control on Tesla’s is pretty good. There is no real need to touch the screen at all whilst you’re driving.
Maracus said:
I've had my 2024 RWD 6 weeks now, and the indicators took a few journeys to get used to but they are really easy to use.
Well ok but unless they're easier to use than a conventional column stalk isn't it another case of just being different for the sake of it? And from what I've read a number of owners don't share your enthusiasm for the indicator arrangement on the latest cars either (and that includes some who've changed from older model Teslas and were already positive towards the brand).Sorry if the above comes across as anti-Tesla because generally I'm not and actually think there's much to recommend them. But I also think some of what they do in their quest for minimalist interiors goes too far - IMO they should stop trying to fix things that weren't broken!
I agree, Tesla do like fixing stuff that isn't broken. I prefer ultrasonic parking sensors to the Tesla Vision stuff.
JNW1 said:
Well ok but unless they're easier to use than a conventional column stalk isn't it another case of just being different for the sake of it? And from what I've read a number of owners don't share your enthusiasm for the indicator arrangement on the latest cars either (and that includes some who've changed from older model Teslas and were already positive towards the brand).
Sorry if the above comes across as anti-Tesla because generally I'm not and actually think there's much to recommend them. But I also think some of what they do in their quest for minimalist interiors goes too far - IMO they should stop trying to fix things that weren't broken!
They are not fixing things that are not broken, they are trying to minimise the build cost per car.Sorry if the above comes across as anti-Tesla because generally I'm not and actually think there's much to recommend them. But I also think some of what they do in their quest for minimalist interiors goes too far - IMO they should stop trying to fix things that weren't broken!
king stupid idea but then Musk is a fgmaz said:
JNW1 said:
Well ok but unless they're easier to use than a conventional column stalk isn't it another case of just being different for the sake of it? And from what I've read a number of owners don't share your enthusiasm for the indicator arrangement on the latest cars either (and that includes some who've changed from older model Teslas and were already positive towards the brand).
Sorry if the above comes across as anti-Tesla because generally I'm not and actually think there's much to recommend them. But I also think some of what they do in their quest for minimalist interiors goes too far - IMO they should stop trying to fix things that weren't broken!
They are not fixing things that are not broken, they are trying to minimise the build cost per car.Sorry if the above comes across as anti-Tesla because generally I'm not and actually think there's much to recommend them. But I also think some of what they do in their quest for minimalist interiors goes too far - IMO they should stop trying to fix things that weren't broken!
RayDonovan said:
JNW1 said:
quinny100 said:
You can press the right steering wheel button and say Wipers 1/2/3/4/Auto/Off.
Voice control on Tesla’s is pretty good. There is no real need to touch the screen at all whilst you’re driving.
Even if voice control worked perfectly every time - which in my experience with other cars it doesn't - I'm not convinced I could give a verbal instruction as quickly as I could operate a column stalk. So how is the Tesla arrangement better? Seems to me it's being different for the sake of it rather than offering something that actually improves things for the driver. Voice control on Tesla’s is pretty good. There is no real need to touch the screen at all whilst you’re driving.
Maracus said:
I've had my 2024 RWD 6 weeks now, and the indicators took a few journeys to get used to but they are really easy to use.
Well ok but unless they're easier to use than a conventional column stalk isn't it another case of just being different for the sake of it? And from what I've read a number of owners don't share your enthusiasm for the indicator arrangement on the latest cars either (and that includes some who've changed from older model Teslas and were already positive towards the brand).Sorry if the above comes across as anti-Tesla because generally I'm not and actually think there's much to recommend them. But I also think some of what they do in their quest for minimalist interiors goes too far - IMO they should stop trying to fix things that weren't broken!
As I say, I think there's much to like about them - and I'd still consider a Model 3 if I was in the market for an EV - but if I bought one I suspect it would be in spite of the interior rather than because of it!
ETA:
Just watched Harry Metcalfe's review of the latest Model 3 and, although he's complimentary overall, top of his list of dislikes was the lack of column stalks for the indicators and wipers...
Edited by JNW1 on Friday 5th July 07:07
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