EV tariffs

[pills]

Am I right in assuming outside the set cheap rate period on IO you only get the cheaper rate if the car is actually charging?

For example if I get a message saying my charging slot is 19:00 to 05:30 and car only needs an hours charge I'll be paying full price from 20:00 to 23:30 (when the cheap rate kicks in)?

[df76]

pills said:

Am I right in assuming outside the set cheap rate period on IO you only get the cheaper rate if the car is actually charging?

For example if I get a message saying my charging slot is 19:00 to 05:30 and car only needs an hours charge I'll be paying full price from 20:00 to 23:30 (when the cheap rate kicks in)?

If your car only needs an hours worth, you will only get a charging slot of an hour (so your scenario can't happen).

[duff]

df76 said:

If your car only needs an hours worth, you will only get a charging slot of an hour (so your scenario can't happen).

That’s not true, I have had a few occasions this week where the above scenario was offered. Every time I’ve plugged in I have been offered cheap rates immediately all the way through to 0400, which I have set in order to encourage earlier slots.

Perhaps your scenario is true if using a compatible car? Mine is just the charger and I definitely get offered many more cheap hours than I actually need to get a full charge.

[Richtea1970]

duff said:

df76 said:

If your car only needs an hours worth, you will only get a charging slot of an hour (so your scenario can't happen).

That’s not true, I have had a few occasions this week where the above scenario was offered. Every time I’ve plugged in I have been offered cheap rates immediately all the way through to 0400, which I have set in order to encourage earlier slots.

Perhaps your scenario is true if using a compatible car? Mine is just the charger and I definitely get offered many more cheap hours than I actually need to get a full charge.

Irrelevant, you still only get the cheap rate whilst the car is actually charging, so if the car is fully charged after an hour your cheap rate stops then, it doesn’t carry on.

[duff]

Richtea1970 said:

duff said:

df76 said:

If your car only needs an hours worth, you will only get a charging slot of an hour (so your scenario can't happen).

That’s not true, I have had a few occasions this week where the above scenario was offered. Every time I’ve plugged in I have been offered cheap rates immediately all the way through to 0400, which I have set in order to encourage earlier slots.

Perhaps your scenario is true if using a compatible car? Mine is just the charger and I definitely get offered many more cheap hours than I actually need to get a full charge.

Irrelevant, you still only get the cheap rate whilst the car is actually charging, so if the car is fully charged after an hour your cheap rate stops then, it doesn’t carry on.

Yes, I realise that but to say it won’t give you a longer charging slot than the car needs is not true.

[df76]

duff said:

df76 said:

If your car only needs an hours worth, you will only get a charging slot of an hour (so your scenario can't happen).

That’s not true, I have had a few occasions this week where the above scenario was offered. Every time I’ve plugged in I have been offered cheap rates immediately all the way through to 0400, which I have set in order to encourage earlier slots.

Perhaps your scenario is true if using a compatible car? Mine is just the charger and I definitely get offered many more cheap hours than I actually need to get a full charge.

Ah yes, that makes sense. It’s speaking to the car in my case.

[pills]

Thanks for the info everyone, in summary, IO will give you various on-peak charging slots, you'll only get the cheap rate on the whole house whilst the car is actually charging. If you have a compatible car (I haven't just the charger) then your slots will be worked out according to the charge state of the car?

I think I've got that right?

[duff]

Yes, you only get the cheap rate whilst the car is actually charging. If your car is not compatible then I think it just gives you whatever excess is available. I’ve been setting mine to 100% at 4am departure with quite a high SoC and it still gave hours of cheap rate. In fact every time I’ve plugged in this week it’s given the cheap rate immediately and all the way through till 2330 when the guaranteed cheap rate starts.

[jamesbilluk]

For those with the iPace, looks like Jaguar are closing API access to their cars..

I just got this email


Not sure Octopus will help either. I'll have to research the stuff with cheapest overnight rate.

With this, and the faff with the car only charging to 72% I'm starting to fall out if love with JLR!

[TheDeuce]

jamesbilluk said:

For those with the iPace, looks like Jaguar are closing API access to their cars..

I just got this email


Not sure Octopus will help either. I'll have to research the stuff with cheapest overnight rate.

With this, and the faff with the car only charging to 72% I'm starting to fall out if love with JLR!

I love JLR cars but they're a bizarre outfit, laughably stupid at times! The UK is (obviously..) a key market for them, especially on the Jaguar side. The future of EV charging is obviously dynamic with remote control of start stop times... so naturally JLR are the only company to make a move away from making this positive.

What a bunch of muppets!

I suppose the answer is fairly simple, swap the charger for one that's OVO or IO compatible and accept the cost for the overall long term savings of using such tariffs - but it's a pain and seems totally unnecessary for JLR to have made this change. In fact it's so dumb that I fully expect it's due to some sort of problem or security limitation with their current app, and they'll be working on something better behind the scenes - if so within a few months there could be a shiny new app which does allow third party access again...

This is why you need a good sense of humour and plenty of patience to run a JLR car...

[Mikebentley]

I’m with OVO and my vehicle is not on the compatibility list for the same reason API. I have an OHME E pod charge point for this reason. I did think it was prudent as for as long as OVO and OHME get along I’m not restricted by vehicle choice. James I’m not far from you so welcome to come and see my installation. E pod is £514.00 to buy.

[jamesbilluk]

TheDeuce said:

I love JLR cars but they're a bizarre outfit, laughably stupid at times! The UK is (obviously..) a key market for them, especially on the Jaguar side. The future of EV charging is obviously dynamic with remote control of start stop times... so naturally JLR are the only company to make a move away from making this positive.

What a bunch of muppets!

I suppose the answer is fairly simple, swap the charger for one that's OVO or IO compatible and accept the cost for the overall long term savings of using such tariffs - but it's a pain and seems totally unnecessary for JLR to have made this change. In fact it's so dumb that I fully expect it's due to some sort of problem or security limitation with their current app, and they'll be working on something better behind the scenes - if so within a few months there could be a shiny new app which does allow third party access again...

This is why you need a good sense of humour and plenty of patience to run a JLR car...

It certainly does a very strange choice!

I do love the car though.

That could be an option, changing to an Ohme charger maybe..

That could well be it, otherwise it's a very odd choice!

Looking at the iPace forums, they seem to have done this before, but it did reappear.

[jamesbilluk]

Mikebentley said:

I’m with OVO and my vehicle is not on the compatibility list for the same reason API. I have an OHME E pod charge point for this reason. I did think it was prudent as for as long as OVO and OHME get along I’m not restricted by vehicle choice. James I’m not far from you so welcome to come and see my installation. E pod is £514.00 to buy.

Hi Mike,

On the FB group, quite a few owners did mention the E Pod, it does look a neat bit if kit,

Very kind as well, that would be great, thank you. Would be good to see how it works.

I've only had experience of the Pod Point before. But to be fair, that was included in the Approved used offer.

Edited to add, oddly, looking at the group,one of the members say the Ohme uses the Jaguar API as well, so may be cut off

[knk]

jamesbilluk said:

For those with the iPace, looks like Jaguar are closing API access to their cars..

I just got this email


Not sure Octopus will help either. I'll have to research the stuff with cheapest overnight rate.

With this, and the faff with the car only charging to 72% I'm starting to fall out if love with JLR!

Just received the same email.
I have not yet had a charger installed but have the offer for a free podpoint charger (non OVO anytime compatible). I have just been using the granny charger.
I think I may get it installed, then perhaps look to purchase a compatible charger from ebay (look to be a few hudred quid)and get it changed by a local electrician) as I suspect that will be the cheapest way to do it. Currently getting about £100 rebate a month on my bill from OVO so will recover costs within a year at the very most.

[TheDeuce]

jamesbilluk said:

TheDeuce said:

I love JLR cars but they're a bizarre outfit, laughably stupid at times! The UK is (obviously..) a key market for them, especially on the Jaguar side. The future of EV charging is obviously dynamic with remote control of start stop times... so naturally JLR are the only company to make a move away from making this positive.

What a bunch of muppets!

I suppose the answer is fairly simple, swap the charger for one that's OVO or IO compatible and accept the cost for the overall long term savings of using such tariffs - but it's a pain and seems totally unnecessary for JLR to have made this change. In fact it's so dumb that I fully expect it's due to some sort of problem or security limitation with their current app, and they'll be working on something better behind the scenes - if so within a few months there could be a shiny new app which does allow third party access again...

This is why you need a good sense of humour and plenty of patience to run a JLR car...

It certainly does a very strange choice!

I do love the car though.

That could be an option, changing to an Ohme charger maybe..

That could well be it, otherwise it's a very odd choice!

Looking at the iPace forums, they seem to have done this before, but it did reappear.

They broke their own app for a while I recall.. not sure if they purposefully removed third party API back then though.

Tbh the app itself is pretty poor compared to others, I hope this is a step towards a new app and more reliable connection to future cars. Although most likely whatever they're working on for the future, will also be broken

[jamesbilluk]

TheDeuce said:

They broke their own app for a while I recall.. not sure if they purposefully removed third party API back then though.

Tbh the app itself is pretty poor compared to others, I hope this is a step towards a new app and more reliable connection to future cars. Although most likely whatever they're working on for the future, will also be broken

Ah, that's not ideal!! I have read a lot of issues on the owners club with strange goings on with the app though. Mine once told me it had been stolen, but was in fact still on the drive.

I've always found the 'Remote'app to be a bit hit and miss, but have found the Android app 'WattCat' to be great, I suspect that will stop working through!

[jamesbilluk]

knk said:

Just received the same email.
I have not yet had a charger installed but have the offer for a free podpoint charger (non OVO anytime compatible). I have just been using the granny charger.
I think I may get it installed, then perhaps look to purchase a compatible charger from ebay (look to be a few hudred quid)and get it changed by a local electrician) as I suspect that will be the cheapest way to do it. Currently getting about £100 rebate a month on my bill from OVO so will recover costs within a year at the very most.

That could be a good option regarding a second hand unit from eBay. I've been using the Jag supplied Pod Point until now.

Your right there, the savings to the bill have been quite considerable.

[Mikebentley]

jamesbilluk said:

Mikebentley said:

I’m with OVO and my vehicle is not on the compatibility list for the same reason API. I have an OHME E pod charge point for this reason. I did think it was prudent as for as long as OVO and OHME get along I’m not restricted by vehicle choice. James I’m not far from you so welcome to come and see my installation. E pod is £514.00 to buy.

Hi Mike,

On the FB group, quite a few owners did mention the E Pod, it does look a neat bit if kit,

Very kind as well, that would be great, thank you. Would be good to see how it works.

I've only had experience of the Pod Point before. But to be fair, that was included in the Approved used offer.



Edited to add, oddly, looking at the group,one of the members say the Ohme uses the Jaguar API as well, so may be cut off

The OHME doesn’t use the cars API. It’s sort of the point. When using the OHME charge point to get access to the OVO Charge Anytime add on rate you only use the OHME app for the charging schedules and don’t involve the vehicle manufacturer app if that makes sense.

[jamesbilluk]

Mikebentley said:

The OHME doesn’t use the cars API. It’s sort of the point. When using the OHME charge point to get access to the OVO Charge Anytime add on rate you only use the OHME app for the charging schedules and don’t involve the vehicle manufacturer app if that makes sense.

Ah, makes sense now, thank you.

[riskyj]

duff said:

Yes, you only get the cheap rate whilst the car is actually charging. If your car is not compatible then I think it just gives you whatever excess is available. I’ve been setting mine to 100% at 4am departure with quite a high SoC and it still gave hours of cheap rate. In fact every time I’ve plugged in this week it’s given the cheap rate immediately and all the way through till 2330 when the guaranteed cheap rate starts.

Agreed. I’ve regularly had 9hours of cheap rate when the car has been quite low. I wonder whether the app is almost programmed to ensure the target charge rate is met currently? Sort of defeats the purpose of it being the most ‘economical’ times to charge if so.