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CLK-GTR said:
GT9 said:
300 miles at 70 mph is possibly just within the capability of a Model 3 LR under optimal ambient conditions.
Arriving on empty of course.
Increasing to 80 mph will increase the per mile energy demand by 15%, and you will need to recharge en-route.
You wouldn't get there any quicker of course, any time saved is used up by charging.
I have to ask though, 4.5 hours non-stop with your kids in the back, is that really something you are doing regularly?
If it is and its all good, stick with petrol.
Something to bear in mind is that your ability to drive 300 miles without a break, particularly at night, is going to decease at some point, as you get older.
I appreciate that there are some hard-arse 70 year olds on here doing it weekly.
Sometimes I do, yes, from the South Coast to Manchester. If I wanted to I can walk outside and leave right now. I have no idea how much fuel is in my car because I don't need to know, if its near emtpy i can drive to the nearby Shell and fill it up, or fill it up on way. It's easy. If my only car was electric it would not be.Arriving on empty of course.
Increasing to 80 mph will increase the per mile energy demand by 15%, and you will need to recharge en-route.
You wouldn't get there any quicker of course, any time saved is used up by charging.
I have to ask though, 4.5 hours non-stop with your kids in the back, is that really something you are doing regularly?
If it is and its all good, stick with petrol.
Something to bear in mind is that your ability to drive 300 miles without a break, particularly at night, is going to decease at some point, as you get older.
I appreciate that there are some hard-arse 70 year olds on here doing it weekly.
Do you drive at 80mph for 5 hours straight with a toddler in the car and also eat your lunch whilst driving...!? I hope not!
CLK-GTR said:
GT9 said:
300 miles at 70 mph is possibly just within the capability of a Model 3 LR under optimal ambient conditions.
Arriving on empty of course.
Increasing to 80 mph will increase the per mile energy demand by 15%, and you will need to recharge en-route.
You wouldn't get there any quicker of course, any time saved is used up by charging.
I have to ask though, 4.5 hours non-stop with your kids in the back, is that really something you are doing regularly?
If it is and its all good, stick with petrol.
Something to bear in mind is that your ability to drive 300 miles without a break, particularly at night, is going to decease at some point, as you get older.
I appreciate that there are some hard-arse 70 year olds on here doing it weekly.
Sometimes I do, yes, from the South Coast to Manchester. If I wanted to I can walk outside and leave right now. I have no idea how much fuel is in my car because I don't need to know, if its near emtpy i can drive to the nearby Shell and fill it up, or fill it up on way. It's easy. If my only car was electric it would not be.Arriving on empty of course.
Increasing to 80 mph will increase the per mile energy demand by 15%, and you will need to recharge en-route.
You wouldn't get there any quicker of course, any time saved is used up by charging.
I have to ask though, 4.5 hours non-stop with your kids in the back, is that really something you are doing regularly?
If it is and its all good, stick with petrol.
Something to bear in mind is that your ability to drive 300 miles without a break, particularly at night, is going to decease at some point, as you get older.
I appreciate that there are some hard-arse 70 year olds on here doing it weekly.
I am in no way surprised people dig their heels in about EVs when you see some of the attitudes in this thread (not yours). Electricity is just another fuel type like diesel or petrol and like those two it is better or worse at certain things.
Professional HGV drivers are limited to 4.5 hours and then required to take a 45 minute break.
I suspect you are not a professional driver.
TheDeuce said:
CLK-GTR said:
GT9 said:
300 miles at 70 mph is possibly just within the capability of a Model 3 LR under optimal ambient conditions.
Arriving on empty of course.
Increasing to 80 mph will increase the per mile energy demand by 15%, and you will need to recharge en-route.
You wouldn't get there any quicker of course, any time saved is used up by charging.
I have to ask though, 4.5 hours non-stop with your kids in the back, is that really something you are doing regularly?
If it is and its all good, stick with petrol.
Something to bear in mind is that your ability to drive 300 miles without a break, particularly at night, is going to decease at some point, as you get older.
I appreciate that there are some hard-arse 70 year olds on here doing it weekly.
Sometimes I do, yes, from the South Coast to Manchester. If I wanted to I can walk outside and leave right now. I have no idea how much fuel is in my car because I don't need to know, if its near emtpy i can drive to the nearby Shell and fill it up, or fill it up on way. It's easy. If my only car was electric it would not be.Arriving on empty of course.
Increasing to 80 mph will increase the per mile energy demand by 15%, and you will need to recharge en-route.
You wouldn't get there any quicker of course, any time saved is used up by charging.
I have to ask though, 4.5 hours non-stop with your kids in the back, is that really something you are doing regularly?
If it is and its all good, stick with petrol.
Something to bear in mind is that your ability to drive 300 miles without a break, particularly at night, is going to decease at some point, as you get older.
I appreciate that there are some hard-arse 70 year olds on here doing it weekly.
Do you drive at 80mph for 5 hours straight with a toddler in the car and also eat your lunch whilst driving...!? I hope not!
TheDeuce said:
I just don't see the problem tbh. If my EV had just 7% Soc when I decided to make a long journey it wouldn't bother me, I'd head to the nearest rapid charger en-route, plug in for 15 minutes, get more than enough range unitl I was next ready to stop again. Assuming I decided to make the trip in the morning I guess my next stop would double as a lunch stop.
Do you drive at 80mph for 5 hours straight with a toddler in the car and also eat your lunch whilst driving...!? I hope not!
Maybe you're right and when I do buy the EV second car I'll find it's not such a big deal but right now I don't see it. When a new technology requires you to plan around it and adapt to it that's to me a sign that it's not mature enough yet.Do you drive at 80mph for 5 hours straight with a toddler in the car and also eat your lunch whilst driving...!? I hope not!
Nomme de Plum said:
I live on the South coast and my car is 100% full every day. It's easy and inexpensive. Manchester non stop is simply irresponsible even in my other EV which could do it.
Professional HGV drivers are limited to 4.5 hours and then required to take a 45 minute break.
I suspect you are not a professional driver.
Strange, you say this yet you think it’s important to know the relative comparisons between WLTP and an unscientific test (why if you need to stop anyway to have a rest???) and you’re happy to be judgemental about others driving habits yet you say we shouldn’t judge what’s acceptable on choice of cars etcProfessional HGV drivers are limited to 4.5 hours and then required to take a 45 minute break.
I suspect you are not a professional driver.
Keep feeding the anti EV propaganda machine by caring about irrelevant detail. Most half decent EVs will happily cover 3 hours of driving before needing to charge, who cares if that’s 85% or 95% of the wltp range or whether your attention span and bladder gas a 2 or 3 hour capacity. ICE drivers don’t have these conversations, so why do some EV owners like yourself obsess over them?
Gone fishing said:
Nomme de Plum said:
I live on the South coast and my car is 100% full every day. It's easy and inexpensive. Manchester non stop is simply irresponsible even in my other EV which could do it.
Professional HGV drivers are limited to 4.5 hours and then required to take a 45 minute break.
I suspect you are not a professional driver.
Strange, you say this yet you think it’s important to know the relative comparisons between WLTP and an unscientific test (why if you need to stop anyway to have a rest???) and you’re happy to be judgemental about others driving habits yet you say we shouldn’t judge what’s acceptable on choice of cars etcProfessional HGV drivers are limited to 4.5 hours and then required to take a 45 minute break.
I suspect you are not a professional driver.
Keep feeding the anti EV propaganda machine by caring about irrelevant detail. Most half decent EVs will happily cover 3 hours of driving before needing to charge, who cares if that’s 85% or 95% of the wltp range or whether your attention span and bladder gas a 2 or 3 hour capacity. ICE drivers don’t have these conversations, so why do some EV owners like yourself obsess over them?
Have a good evening.
CLK-GTR said:
TheDeuce said:
I just don't see the problem tbh. If my EV had just 7% Soc when I decided to make a long journey it wouldn't bother me, I'd head to the nearest rapid charger en-route, plug in for 15 minutes, get more than enough range unitl I was next ready to stop again. Assuming I decided to make the trip in the morning I guess my next stop would double as a lunch stop.
Do you drive at 80mph for 5 hours straight with a toddler in the car and also eat your lunch whilst driving...!? I hope not!
Maybe you're right and when I do buy the EV second car I'll find it's not such a big deal but right now I don't see it. When a new technology requires you to plan around it and adapt to it that's to me a sign that it's not mature enough yet.Do you drive at 80mph for 5 hours straight with a toddler in the car and also eat your lunch whilst driving...!? I hope not!
When I first decided to swap to EV (tax reasons) I couldn't see beyond what I knew would be hassle trying to charge it and waiting around. A big part of me worried I'd secretly regret buying into a silly idea. I was wrong, I very quickly realised that. Based on me remembering how I felt initially, I also don't expect anyone else to be anything other than cautious and concerned about the idea of relying on an EV.
I can tell you that these days, with the charging network so well evolved, I don't plan journeys - you may even believe me! But you will never really feel comfortable with the idea until you've lived and experienced it and decided for yourself that it just works. Nor should you, I'm sure you've made lots of sensible decisions in life based on a reasonable level of caution.
All I can really contribute is to tell you that as a long term petrol head myself, I'm glad I switched and I won't switch back.
CLK-GTR said
"When a new technology requires you to plan around it and adapt to it that's to me a sign that it's not mature enough yet."
This is perhaps the nub of the problem. We have got used to `planning around' the way that ICE cars work and EVs are not a `drop in' replacement. They require a different plan.
Waiting for a battery to charge on a supercharger takes longer than filling up a tank at a gas station, but those who charge at home only do this on a long trip and never go to a public charger for local stuff. No one talks about the time saved not filling up for all the local stuff.
"When a new technology requires you to plan around it and adapt to it that's to me a sign that it's not mature enough yet."
This is perhaps the nub of the problem. We have got used to `planning around' the way that ICE cars work and EVs are not a `drop in' replacement. They require a different plan.
Waiting for a battery to charge on a supercharger takes longer than filling up a tank at a gas station, but those who charge at home only do this on a long trip and never go to a public charger for local stuff. No one talks about the time saved not filling up for all the local stuff.
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