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Mahalo said:
In my experience, the 20" wheels do not knock 25% of the range. On the WLTP figures that BMW quote they knock off 16% range. In terms of real life driving, my first i4M50 was on 19" wheels, at 80% charge I would see a range of 226 miles or so on the GOM, my 2nd i4 M50 is on 20" wheels and at 80% I see typically a range of 191 miles or so on the GOM. These figures support the 16% drop in range between the 19" and 20". In both cases you can achieve more range as you drive the car (unless you hoon about). Short journeys in either the 19" or 20" shod car are the worst for poor efficiency.
Short journeys are the worst thig for all EV's full stop.The issue with the i4 is that the 20's come on far less efficient and wider P-Zero tyres and require rear arch extensions that hurt drag. Doesn't appear to be the case with the i5 going to 21" as far as I can tell?
SWoll said:
durbster said:
Aren't most of the people buying this class of car likely to be doing a lot of miles though?
I can't imagine many people are choosing a 5 series to do the school run.
200 miles per day, 5 days per week, 48 weeks a year is 48k miles. That's a lot of miles and all can be charged at home.I can't imagine many people are choosing a 5 series to do the school run.
That said, having looked on Autotrader, there aren't many high mileage 5 series on Autotrader so it looks like they don't generally do more miles than most. Maybe these are for a pay grade or two above the really high milers.
Mahalo said:
I would concur with those who say that Harry does not really like or understand Ev's. When my i4M50 was replaced due to faults, my preference was to go for the i5M60 as I previous had a 530E - as soon as the price and figures came out I felt that the price was way over the top and the figures in terms of efficiency/range did not make sense. I drove an i540 and it was comfortable but really bland. It felt big and the weight was even more obvious than the i4. In the end I chose to replace my i4M50 with another i4M50 which looks like a better decision than going with the i5.
I too considered an i5 but in the end the i4M50 was just way more interesting from a drivers pov. Also surprisingly comfortable in normal driving modes, way more comfortable than previous gen BMW's in it's class. It's also got all the same kit with a couple of options.In fact the 5 series now feels a little dated as a car shape in general, it's simply not as practical as the 4 is with it's hatch and folding seats. Also not as good looking. I get that it's a step up in luxury but honestly, if someone wants luxury above driver appeal these days they'll just buy a premium SUV, which also has a hatch...
TheDeuce said:
andy43 said:
Just watched the same video. Cringeworthy. WTF would you need all that crap on the infotainment?
This 10% loss between meter and car battery is interesting me more and more too. Knowing we’re paying a hidden ten percent or so extra for electricity is kinda annoying.
For context that means I pay £6.47 for electricity to charge my battery with equivalent £5.88 worth of power. In my 550hp EV that will travel 200 miles for that price.This 10% loss between meter and car battery is interesting me more and more too. Knowing we’re paying a hidden ten percent or so extra for electricity is kinda annoying.
As you can imagine, it's blown our household budget to pieces. I'm.starting to question if I can even afford the car anymore
Would love to have a 'fuel bill' of 10% of what I am paying! Thankfully I dont do a lot of mileage, but still.
chrispmartha said:
Ive been offered two really good deals on a business lease for the i5
The M60 is about £200 per month more, is it worth the extra?
I5 E40 Mspoet is £470+ vat on a 3+23 lease
It's a relatively small increase in cost for the huge lump of extra power and capability. Arguably far less than the historic difference in cost between middle of the road vs highest powered variants of German cars.The M60 is about £200 per month more, is it worth the extra?
I5 E40 Mspoet is £470+ vat on a 3+23 lease
If someone swapped my i4 M50 powertrain for the e40 version, would I pay £200 pm to get it back...? Probably
At the end of the day, only you know how much you will personally value the benefits of AWD and the fun of supercar nailing performance.
TheDeuce said:
chrispmartha said:
Ive been offered two really good deals on a business lease for the i5
The M60 is about £200 per month more, is it worth the extra?
I5 E40 Mspoet is £470+ vat on a 3+23 lease
It's a relatively small increase in cost for the huge lump of extra power and capability. Arguably far less than the historic difference in cost between middle of the road vs highest powered variants of German cars.The M60 is about £200 per month more, is it worth the extra?
I5 E40 Mspoet is £470+ vat on a 3+23 lease
If someone swapped my i4 M50 powertrain for the e40 version, would I pay £200 pm to get it back...? Probably
At the end of the day, only you know how much you will personally value the benefits of AWD and the fun of supercar nailing performance.
chrispmartha said:
Ive been offered two really good deals on a business lease for the i5
The M60 is about £200 per month more, is it worth the extra?
I5 E40 Mspoet is £470+ vat on a 3+23 lease
Imagine it's your last day on Earth and you look back at your life. Would you really be thinking, I'm so glad I saved £200 a month all those years ago by not going for the ridiculously fast grin inducing M60?The M60 is about £200 per month more, is it worth the extra?
I5 E40 Mspoet is £470+ vat on a 3+23 lease
raspy said:
Imagine it's your last day on Earth and you look back at your life. Would you really be thinking, I'm so glad I saved £200 a month all those years ago by not going for the ridiculously fast grin inducing M60?
A more likely scenario is that you will reach a stage in life and look back and perhaps think that rather than spending lots of money on items that ultimately did not enhance your life, you might have been better using the money for other more lasting thingsMahalo said:
raspy said:
Imagine it's your last day on Earth and you look back at your life. Would you really be thinking, I'm so glad I saved £200 a month all those years ago by not going for the ridiculously fast grin inducing M60?
A more likely scenario is that you will reach a stage in life and look back and perhaps think that rather than spending lots of money on items that ultimately did not enhance your life, you might have been better using the money for other more lasting thingsMahalo said:
The lease deals available on the i5 essentially validate the point I made earlier on in this thread that the i5 is priced too high and is not selling. BMW is therefore having to offer big incentives to move the car. This in turn means it will depreciate rapidly.
You'd have to be mad to spend £100k on one of these, can see why it’s not ‘selling’ chrispmartha said:
Mahalo said:
The lease deals available on the i5 essentially validate the point I made earlier on in this thread that the i5 is priced too high and is not selling. BMW is therefore having to offer big incentives to move the car. This in turn means it will depreciate rapidly.
You'd have to be mad to spend £100k on one of these, can see why it’s not ‘selling’ All that should be looked at is the lease price or PCP monthlies after the dealer/manufacturer discounts are applied. Out if the two, for newer cars, leasing is often far cheaper (even as personal lease) as the manufacturers do offload lease stock at cheap costs early on the establish a presence for the car and also to ensure production lines run at peak efficiency from day one.
This is all b
ks in terms of straight dealing, but that's the world we live in..Anyway, bottom line is the price you actually pay - in this instance the quoted lease price for the 40 is good value, as it the extra to upgrade to the M60 imo, providing the performance will be regularly enjoyed.
Castrol for a knave said:
I would add, that the BMW app is a massive pile of arse and no better than a 6th form project.
It makes scheduled charging as easy as horse whispering
I've yet to find a car app I couldn't list several frustrations with tbh. BMW app is one of the better I have used.It makes scheduled charging as easy as horse whispering
In fairness I haven't used scheduled charging, although I know it works by factoring in departure time and desired soc, maths in other words... Probably more fun if you're a German.
Luckily most users in the future, possibly even today, will be using remote charging control from their power supplier, so it's all done automatically and is hands off - which is why I never use the scheduling gumpf.
TheDeuce said:
chrispmartha said:
Mahalo said:
The lease deals available on the i5 essentially validate the point I made earlier on in this thread that the i5 is priced too high and is not selling. BMW is therefore having to offer big incentives to move the car. This in turn means it will depreciate rapidly.
You'd have to be mad to spend £100k on one of these, can see why it’s not ‘selling’ All that should be looked at is the lease price or PCP monthlies after the dealer/manufacturer discounts are applied. Out if the two, for newer cars, leasing is often far cheaper (even as personal lease) as the manufacturers do offload lease stock at cheap costs early on the establish a presence for the car and also to ensure production lines run at peak efficiency from day one.
This is all b
ks in terms of straight dealing, but that's the world we live in..Anyway, bottom line is the price you actually pay - in this instance the quoted lease price for the 40 is good value, as it the extra to upgrade to the M60 imo, providing the performance will be regularly enjoyed.
Castrol for a knave said:
I would add, that the BMW app is a massive pile of arse and no better than a 6th form project.
It makes scheduled charging as easy as horse whispering
I never use Scheduled charging as I don't have a home charger. the Polestar App is pretty useless swell, constantly dropping out and not working, however I do use it to warm the car up in a morning and also to check that ive actually locked the car so if that works on the BMW app it will be fine for me.It makes scheduled charging as easy as horse whispering
chrispmartha said:
Agreed, I'm replacing a Launch Edition of a Polestar 2, which again was heavily discounted to get them 'out there'. Problem I'm having now is that to get the equivalent Polestar its more than double the monthly cost, Ive already extended the lease by a year but now its time to change there's not many decent deals to be had, other than these i5s
I was in the same boat when my iPace lease was up, the cost of a new one would have been almost double what I already paid. In my case, the i4 M50 happened to be a decent bargain at the time so I went with that.My conclusion is that there are nearly always spectacularly good lease deals to be had on some great cars, but not always the ideal car, or at least the one you're initially drawn to. I've kind of made peace with that as it has led to me having a variety of different cars over the years, most that have exceeded my expectations in a few ways.
TheDeuce said:
chrispmartha said:
Agreed, I'm replacing a Launch Edition of a Polestar 2, which again was heavily discounted to get them 'out there'. Problem I'm having now is that to get the equivalent Polestar its more than double the monthly cost, Ive already extended the lease by a year but now its time to change there's not many decent deals to be had, other than these i5s
I was in the same boat when my iPace lease was up, the cost of a new one would have been almost double what I already paid. In my case, the i4 M50 happened to be a decent bargain at the time so I went with that.My conclusion is that there are nearly always spectacularly good lease deals to be had on some great cars, but not always the ideal car, or at least the one you're initially drawn to. I've kind of made peace with that as it has led to me having a variety of different cars over the years, most that have exceeded my expectations in a few ways.
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