Ioniq 6 v Tesla MY LR
Discussion
robbieduncan said:
Do you care about rear headroom? I’m about 180cm tall (so about average I think) and my head was touching the headliner in the one head in the back of yesterday. I can comfortable sit in the back of our Y. Apart from that do you want/need a hatchback. For us the saloon boot of the Ioniq would be a no-go
Headroom not an issue. Only need to carry a 8 year old in the rear. RayDonovan said:
robbieduncan said:
Do you care about rear headroom? I’m about 180cm tall (so about average I think) and my head was touching the headliner in the one head in the back of yesterday. I can comfortable sit in the back of our Y. Apart from that do you want/need a hatchback. For us the saloon boot of the Ioniq would be a no-go
Headroom not an issue. Only need to carry a 8 year old in the rear. riskyj said:
Gone fishing said:
As for price, I believe most of this stuff is on the i4, i5, iX1 etc, albeit maybe optional.
Almost definitely optional. Not disagreeing with your comparison at all, but the price difference is incredible. Are all those improvements worth £70k?I’ve just seen the review of the i5 estate, you only need to look at an adjoining lane when suggested and it will automatically change lane (Germany and a few other countries, not the UK yet) and it has summon that works and will steer around obstacles, but it’s expensive. It would be a nice place to be though, quiet cabin, refined ride etc.
JNW1 said:
RayDonovan said:
robbieduncan said:
Do you care about rear headroom? I’m about 180cm tall (so about average I think) and my head was touching the headliner in the one head in the back of yesterday. I can comfortable sit in the back of our Y. Apart from that do you want/need a hatchback. For us the saloon boot of the Ioniq would be a no-go
Headroom not an issue. Only need to carry a 8 year old in the rear. Haven’t driven the 6, tried to get a drive of the 6GT and also a while ago the Ioniq 5 AWD and was told a test drive of either wasn’t possible by my local dealership(s) owned by the same group as they were never going to get a demonstrator. I don’t get how they can consider someone spending £63k on a car without having tried the specific model.
I have quite a few choice words on Hyundai’s software and support via my other half’s Kona which I’ve probably done 15k in. I can’t imagine apart from graphics that Hyundai/Kia have entirely separate software stacks. I drove an Ioniq 5 prior to the other half getting her Kona.
The biggest bugbears compared to Tesla are the utter lack of setting a default for many driving settings and also the laggy throttle response which is the worst in any EV I’ve driven and a constant irritation when I know what EV throttle response can be like. A lack of proper one pedal driving mean you can be tapping the brake pedal hundreds of times a day if in traffic where in the Tesla you will not - so the Hyundai is more tiring to drive - I wish I knew why more manufacturers didn’t offer true one pedal driving (Tesla and BMW do). Their efficiency is quite up there now yet somehow her Kona’s motor is incredibly noisy when on regen (I’m told TADTS).
Would agree with others that BMW driving dynamics are good. As is much of the tech having had a try in an i4 and an i5 as well as owned an i3. My trouble is the cabin always feels quite cramped. Even more cramped than a Taycan’s, but not in a good cosseting way like the Taycan’s cabin imho. Adaptive headlights in the Tesla with the latest release of software are lovely. Done several 2-3 hour drives at night now and no-one’s been flashing at me with them working.
You need a test drive in the Kia. The software and how you interact with it is vital. I think they’re lacking in the UX team that other car design departments have.
The Kia and the Tesla will both be reliable. They’ll both be relatively efficient. They both look to fit your use case well. So I think it’ll boil down to things like which car is less physically draining, more engaging and annoys you the least with its quirks.
I have quite a few choice words on Hyundai’s software and support via my other half’s Kona which I’ve probably done 15k in. I can’t imagine apart from graphics that Hyundai/Kia have entirely separate software stacks. I drove an Ioniq 5 prior to the other half getting her Kona.
The biggest bugbears compared to Tesla are the utter lack of setting a default for many driving settings and also the laggy throttle response which is the worst in any EV I’ve driven and a constant irritation when I know what EV throttle response can be like. A lack of proper one pedal driving mean you can be tapping the brake pedal hundreds of times a day if in traffic where in the Tesla you will not - so the Hyundai is more tiring to drive - I wish I knew why more manufacturers didn’t offer true one pedal driving (Tesla and BMW do). Their efficiency is quite up there now yet somehow her Kona’s motor is incredibly noisy when on regen (I’m told TADTS).
Would agree with others that BMW driving dynamics are good. As is much of the tech having had a try in an i4 and an i5 as well as owned an i3. My trouble is the cabin always feels quite cramped. Even more cramped than a Taycan’s, but not in a good cosseting way like the Taycan’s cabin imho. Adaptive headlights in the Tesla with the latest release of software are lovely. Done several 2-3 hour drives at night now and no-one’s been flashing at me with them working.
You need a test drive in the Kia. The software and how you interact with it is vital. I think they’re lacking in the UX team that other car design departments have.
The Kia and the Tesla will both be reliable. They’ll both be relatively efficient. They both look to fit your use case well. So I think it’ll boil down to things like which car is less physically draining, more engaging and annoys you the least with its quirks.
caseys said:
A lack of proper one pedal driving mean you can be tapping the brake pedal hundreds of times a day if in traffic where in the Tesla you will not - so the Hyundai is more tiring to drive - I wish I knew why more manufacturers didn’t offer true one pedal driving (Tesla and BMW do).
I'll shut up after this one as it appears not to be an option but the BMW adaptive regen is brilliant - nothing in front of you and you coast when off the go pedal, if you come up behind a car it starts applying regen automatically to slow you down, almost like an inbuilt speed aware cruise control even when its not active. I found driving our Tesla smoothly was took some getting used to as the regen could be quite strong, you don't notice it as the driver but every passenger I've had who experienced BMW after the Tesla commented on how much smoother the drive was. We managed to switch between accelerator and brake pedals before when we drove ICE, and while one foot driving does make lfe easier, it's not without its downside.
gangzoom said:
SWoll said:
Subjective, I think it's a better looking and far more interesting car than the Model 3 personally. Better in darker colours.
You need an appointment at Specsavers 
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Silvanus said:
gangzoom said:
SWoll said:
Subjective, I think it's a better looking and far more interesting car than the Model 3 personally. Better in darker colours.
You need an appointment at Specsavers .
. Gone fishing said:
I'll shut up after this one as it appears not to be an option but the BMW adaptive regen is brilliant - nothing in front of you and you coast when off the go pedal, if you come up behind a car it starts applying regen automatically to slow you down, almost like an inbuilt speed aware cruise control even when its not active. I found driving our Tesla smoothly was took some getting used to as the regen could be quite strong, you don't notice it as the driver but every passenger I've had who experienced BMW after the Tesla commented on how much smoother the drive was.
We managed to switch between accelerator and brake pedals before when we drove ICE, and while one foot driving does make lfe easier, it's not without its downside.
It's weird, as my i3 could one pedal drive - a hoot to drive too albeit a little fragile (having had a lot of things replaced on it under warranty inc suspension). I haven't tried the dynamic regen - which sounds nice. Sometimes my Tesla doesn't regen at the rate I expect and I have to use the brake pedal, but that inconsistency is rare. Trying to get use to using the brake pedal as little as possible in the Hyundai, any VW or the Porsche feels grating to me as what I tihnk of as an unnecessary action in day to day driving (different case in track use).We managed to switch between accelerator and brake pedals before when we drove ICE, and while one foot driving does make lfe easier, it's not without its downside.
If, via software, you can give the driver the choice of one pedal driving or not - you should - and you can - as you have all the wheel speeds in a dual/tri/quad motor, via knowing RPMs of the motor and wheel size - when RPM hits zero and there's no pressure on the throttle - auto-hold. It's not difficult.
It may sound weird but the lack of one pedal driving was one of only two reasons i didn't get a salary-sac scheme Taycan (the other being it's horrific efficiency compared to a Model S / X etc). I get having a blended brake pedal consisting of regen + friction brakes where it can be nice and progressive - I definitely want that on a track day. Stop start in London or nose to tail 5 mile queues on the M25? Less so. Alongside the general better NVH of EVs it's the one thing in daily use where it makes it a more effortless drive.
Tesla autopilot isn't great. Far prefer Hyundai's ACC (which currently is borked in ours after a windscreen replacement - why it needs the camera as well as the radar for this I'm not sure).
I'm no Tesla fanboy, there's some great EVs out there (i4, i5, Taycan, Ioniq5N possibly?) but what a few manufacturers are not doing is having a cohesive programme level view of design and integration and I've had a fair few things fettled or replaced by Tesla under warranty so far. I'm one of the idiots that have actually bought with my own cold hard cash a Tesla.
Some manufactuers a lack of cohesive design is acceptable as they're targeting a very specific price point or trying to get to entry level or audience that generaly isn't the demograph here on PH and they're just looking for something to get from A-B. 'A car is just a car'. But get into an ID3, an ID4 GTX even, or an ID Buzz and the UX is awful, the driveability re power, torque, 'jerk' and response compared to say Audi, Porsche (so their own group!), Tesla are shameful where they are probably trying to create product bands which would've worked in the 70s-90s-00s but not now.
Makes me realise I need to go try a few more EVs - not driven an MG yet or a Volvo (apart from the PHEV XC60 which was a 4-wheeled nanny). Bet the Lexus will be nice if they can get away from Toyota enough (I say this sadly having owned two Supra).
@GF - appreciate you reading one of my ranting posts and responding
I should think to myself the world of EVs should be a broad church and wouldn't it be a damn boring world if we all liked the same thing eh?
Without difference the world would be bloody bland and lacking innovation.Sorry for going a bit O/T OP!
caseys said:
Haven’t driven the 6, tried to get a drive of the 6GT and also a while ago the Ioniq 5 AWD and was told a test drive of either wasn’t possible by my local dealership(s) owned by the same group as they were never going to get a demonstrator. I don’t get how they can consider someone spending £63k on a car without having tried the specific model.
I have quite a few choice words on Hyundai’s software and support via my other half’s Kona which I’ve probably done 15k in. I can’t imagine apart from graphics that Hyundai/Kia have entirely separate software stacks. I drove an Ioniq 5 prior to the other half getting her Kona.
The biggest bugbears compared to Tesla are the utter lack of setting a default for many driving settings and also the laggy throttle response which is the worst in any EV I’ve driven and a constant irritation when I know what EV throttle response can be like. A lack of proper one pedal driving mean you can be tapping the brake pedal hundreds of times a day if in traffic where in the Tesla you will not - so the Hyundai is more tiring to drive - I wish I knew why more manufacturers didn’t offer true one pedal driving (Tesla and BMW do). Their efficiency is quite up there now yet somehow her Kona’s motor is incredibly noisy when on regen (I’m told TADTS).
Would agree with others that BMW driving dynamics are good. As is much of the tech having had a try in an i4 and an i5 as well as owned an i3. My trouble is the cabin always feels quite cramped. Even more cramped than a Taycan’s, but not in a good cosseting way like the Taycan’s cabin imho. Adaptive headlights in the Tesla with the latest release of software are lovely. Done several 2-3 hour drives at night now and no-one’s been flashing at me with them working.
You need a test drive in the Kia. The software and how you interact with it is vital. I think they’re lacking in the UX team that other car design departments have.
The Kia and the Tesla will both be reliable. They’ll both be relatively efficient. They both look to fit your use case well. So I think it’ll boil down to things like which car is less physically draining, more engaging and annoys you the least with its quirks.
Thanks, appreciate that. I was really happy with the Model Y when I drove it, so need to get some time with the 6 to see how it feels. I'd guess they're going to be a similar price when the time comes, a 2022 Model Y is between £30-£35k (depending on mileage) and a 6 is currently £35k (on a '23/73 plate)I have quite a few choice words on Hyundai’s software and support via my other half’s Kona which I’ve probably done 15k in. I can’t imagine apart from graphics that Hyundai/Kia have entirely separate software stacks. I drove an Ioniq 5 prior to the other half getting her Kona.
The biggest bugbears compared to Tesla are the utter lack of setting a default for many driving settings and also the laggy throttle response which is the worst in any EV I’ve driven and a constant irritation when I know what EV throttle response can be like. A lack of proper one pedal driving mean you can be tapping the brake pedal hundreds of times a day if in traffic where in the Tesla you will not - so the Hyundai is more tiring to drive - I wish I knew why more manufacturers didn’t offer true one pedal driving (Tesla and BMW do). Their efficiency is quite up there now yet somehow her Kona’s motor is incredibly noisy when on regen (I’m told TADTS).
Would agree with others that BMW driving dynamics are good. As is much of the tech having had a try in an i4 and an i5 as well as owned an i3. My trouble is the cabin always feels quite cramped. Even more cramped than a Taycan’s, but not in a good cosseting way like the Taycan’s cabin imho. Adaptive headlights in the Tesla with the latest release of software are lovely. Done several 2-3 hour drives at night now and no-one’s been flashing at me with them working.
You need a test drive in the Kia. The software and how you interact with it is vital. I think they’re lacking in the UX team that other car design departments have.
The Kia and the Tesla will both be reliable. They’ll both be relatively efficient. They both look to fit your use case well. So I think it’ll boil down to things like which car is less physically draining, more engaging and annoys you the least with its quirks.
Perfectly happy with the Tesla interface, but also the Ioniq 6 looks to be decent.
caseys said:
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The biggest bugbears compared to Tesla are the utter lack of setting a default for many driving settings and also the laggy throttle response which is the worst in any EV I’ve driven and a constant irritation when I know what EV throttle response can be like. A lack of proper one pedal driving mean you can be tapping the brake pedal hundreds of times a day if in traffic where in the Tesla you will not - so the Hyundai is more tiring to drive - I wish I knew why more manufacturers didn’t offer true one pedal driving (Tesla and BMW do). Their efficiency is quite up there now yet somehow her Kona’s motor is incredibly noisy when on regen (I’m told TADTS).
Odd, not my experience at all. I tested a few Konas and have done over 10k in ours across a variety of conditions and it's completely silent on regen or under acceleration. Even in ECO response is instant with no lag.The biggest bugbears compared to Tesla are the utter lack of setting a default for many driving settings and also the laggy throttle response which is the worst in any EV I’ve driven and a constant irritation when I know what EV throttle response can be like. A lack of proper one pedal driving mean you can be tapping the brake pedal hundreds of times a day if in traffic where in the Tesla you will not - so the Hyundai is more tiring to drive - I wish I knew why more manufacturers didn’t offer true one pedal driving (Tesla and BMW do). Their efficiency is quite up there now yet somehow her Kona’s motor is incredibly noisy when on regen (I’m told TADTS).
Regarding one pedal driving, I don't like this at all and prefer keeping regen at zero most of the time. I like to be able to lift and flex my foot on anything other that short hops. Constantly keeping it under tension has proved uncomfortable in any car I've driven. Auto regen means that you hardly use the brake pedal but still allows the car to coast on lift off.
I wouldn't have a car that didn't have selectable regen or was OPD by default although I'm assuming there aren't any EVs where this is the case.
Interesting,
I have the old tech Ioniq EV and have not experienced any lag or one pedal issues.
One pedal or level 3 regen is seamless and perfect for stop start city driving
Level 2 is a nice blend of regen and coasting
Level 1 = never used
Level 0 is the no regen so perfect for motorway driving and let the momentum of the car do the work.
All work silently with instant response so would would be interested to understand the lag issue.
99% of driving done in ECO mode
I have the old tech Ioniq EV and have not experienced any lag or one pedal issues.
One pedal or level 3 regen is seamless and perfect for stop start city driving
Level 2 is a nice blend of regen and coasting
Level 1 = never used
Level 0 is the no regen so perfect for motorway driving and let the momentum of the car do the work.
All work silently with instant response so would would be interested to understand the lag issue.
99% of driving done in ECO mode
5s Alive said:
Odd, not my experience at all. I tested a few Konas and have done over 10k in ours across a variety of conditions and it's completely silent on regen or under acceleration. Even in ECO response is instant with no lag.
Regarding one pedal driving, I don't like this at all and prefer keeping regen at zero most of the time. I like to be able to lift and flex my foot on anything other that short hops. Constantly keeping it under tension has proved uncomfortable in any car I've driven. Auto regen means that you hardly use the brake pedal but still allows the car to coast on lift off.
I wouldn't have a car that didn't have selectable regen or was OPD by default although I'm assuming there aren't any EVs where this is the case.
There’s definitely throttle lag. It feels about half a second, as if they have programmed it in. Looking online others have felt this tooRegarding one pedal driving, I don't like this at all and prefer keeping regen at zero most of the time. I like to be able to lift and flex my foot on anything other that short hops. Constantly keeping it under tension has proved uncomfortable in any car I've driven. Auto regen means that you hardly use the brake pedal but still allows the car to coast on lift off.
I wouldn't have a car that didn't have selectable regen or was OPD by default although I'm assuming there aren't any EVs where this is the case.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KonaEV/comments/zc6tnb/th...
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Having tried in eco+/eco/normal/sport mode with every level of regen it’s there. It also feels like basically the driving mode just shortens or lengthens the throttle pedal travel against the same map for power delivery - so sport just halves the pedal travel for the power you want rather than any better response of pickup.
Hers is a 72 plate Ultimate.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a reasonably quick throttle response compared to ICE, but it’s the only EV I’ve driven which has a consistent throttle lag - and I realise I need to clarify this one - on initial pull away from standstill. No other of the 16 EVs across brands and models I’ve driven does this and I have to keep reminding myself when I drive her car that this is there when I am at a junction.
I’m glad it’s got more granular regen than my car as she too doesn’t like the max level yet I feel it’s not enough
no-one’s wrong here - it’s personal preference. I wouldn’t say the Kona is one pedal driving though, as i probably have to use the brake pedal more times in a day than I do in a month in my own car.Haven’t found a car where you can’t adjust the regen in some way for own driving style. The cars where you set it and then it defaults to factory default when you next get back in are the ones they irritate the heck out of me. It’s not a physical switch. It’s a software setting. Allow me to set it and leave it at that.
I say to the other half that I have to press 7 buttons in my “pre flight” check before using her car and I have lost count the times I’ve forgot to set the regen and come off throttle and not had the deceleration I initially expected as its default is “1” when I want it at “3”.
Also why with the heated steering wheel does it feel that 30 minutes is enough for anyone? And then bings on the dash to say it’s turned off now. You can immediately turn it back on and do this for hours on a long trip. I’ve turned it on. Don’t turn it off. Let me decide when/if I want to turn it off.
So yeah. So many Hyundai software decisions that are somehow not user controllable. Allow defaults.
I have a Genesis GV60 and whilst the idea of adjustable regen levels on the paddles really appealed on paper, in reality I find the “auto” setting so good I never change it. Coasts on motorway, regens firmly in traffic or on sliproads.
Coupled with the HDA / adaptive cruise, it’s a very relaxing car to cover distance in, even when in traffic or queues on Motorway.
For reference, my RWD GV60 with the 77kWh battery is averaging over 4.5 at the moment and my 25mile commute is mainly motorway. The estimated range is pretty accurate, dropping by one mile for every mile covered, and shows over 350 at 100%.
I understand the appeal of the Supercharger network, but I like buttons (inc shortcut keys) / displays / HUD, augmented NAV etc, so whether ahead, behind, or different path, I like the tech in the Hyundai Group cars, and likely to replace my GV60 with another e-GMP next year.
Coupled with the HDA / adaptive cruise, it’s a very relaxing car to cover distance in, even when in traffic or queues on Motorway.
For reference, my RWD GV60 with the 77kWh battery is averaging over 4.5 at the moment and my 25mile commute is mainly motorway. The estimated range is pretty accurate, dropping by one mile for every mile covered, and shows over 350 at 100%.
I understand the appeal of the Supercharger network, but I like buttons (inc shortcut keys) / displays / HUD, augmented NAV etc, so whether ahead, behind, or different path, I like the tech in the Hyundai Group cars, and likely to replace my GV60 with another e-GMP next year.
We own both a Tesla Model 3 Performance and a Genesis GV60 Performance.
They're both nice cars, but their relative strengths and weaknesses are quite different.
The Tesla is the better EV - it's clear that Tesla took a clean-sheet approach when designing the car and its UI, and it's the better for it, IMO.
The Genesis rides more smoothly, its doors shut with a more solid "thunk", and its interior is fancier, though I don't personally find it more comfortable.
The Genesis' UI is far more complex and occasionally obtuse than it needs to be, which makes interacting with it sometimes frustrating. There are multiple ways to control many different aspects of the car, and that only makes it more obtuse - not more convenient, despite what I'm sure were the designers' intentions.
The Tesla's powertrain is also more polished - the handoff from acceleration to coasting to braking is smoother, and once you choose your settings, its responses remain consistent.
The Genesis cannot be set to maintain one-pedal driving - it resets every time the ignition is cycled, which is maddening. It also re-sets to "Comfort" mode every time the ignition is cycled - GRRRRR - I KNOW WHAT MODE I WANNA DRIVE IN (Sport) - WHY DOESN'T THE CAR REMEMBER THAT?!?!? (the answer is the way the car's range must be tested and rated for the US EPA, but the net result is plain dumb. Tesla faced the same limitations yet was able to tie the driving mode to the driver profile - easy-peasy.)
I enjoy both cars, but I prefer my Tesla. The wife likes her Genesis better.
Which anyone prefers depends on what's important for them. For me, ease-of-operation in daily use is an important aspect, and the Tesla wins that hands-down. IMHO. ;-)
They're both nice cars, but their relative strengths and weaknesses are quite different.
The Tesla is the better EV - it's clear that Tesla took a clean-sheet approach when designing the car and its UI, and it's the better for it, IMO.
The Genesis rides more smoothly, its doors shut with a more solid "thunk", and its interior is fancier, though I don't personally find it more comfortable.
The Genesis' UI is far more complex and occasionally obtuse than it needs to be, which makes interacting with it sometimes frustrating. There are multiple ways to control many different aspects of the car, and that only makes it more obtuse - not more convenient, despite what I'm sure were the designers' intentions.
The Tesla's powertrain is also more polished - the handoff from acceleration to coasting to braking is smoother, and once you choose your settings, its responses remain consistent.
The Genesis cannot be set to maintain one-pedal driving - it resets every time the ignition is cycled, which is maddening. It also re-sets to "Comfort" mode every time the ignition is cycled - GRRRRR - I KNOW WHAT MODE I WANNA DRIVE IN (Sport) - WHY DOESN'T THE CAR REMEMBER THAT?!?!? (the answer is the way the car's range must be tested and rated for the US EPA, but the net result is plain dumb. Tesla faced the same limitations yet was able to tie the driving mode to the driver profile - easy-peasy.)
I enjoy both cars, but I prefer my Tesla. The wife likes her Genesis better.
Which anyone prefers depends on what's important for them. For me, ease-of-operation in daily use is an important aspect, and the Tesla wins that hands-down. IMHO. ;-)
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