VW to scale down production of evs
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TheDeuce said:
Also the new BYD Dolphin... Stupid name but £25k and 260 mile range.... Loads of tech as standard... Getting positive reviews too.
I think BYD are selling them for under £10k in China. They've also got margins that dwarf the EU manufacturers when it comes to EVs. What I don't understand is why the U.K. agents for cars like this and the Ora products are retaining the pathetic product names that would only really appeal to simpletons with no money. And when targeting that demographic you'd still use names like Warrior, TrackHawk, Gladiator, Frontier. Just like they name their male children after trades and their female children after shiny objects, Mason, Tyler, Carter, Amber, Silver, Jade.
DonkeyApple said:
What I don't understand is why the U.K. agents for cars like this and the Ora products are retaining the pathetic product names that would only really appeal to simpletons with no money. And when targeting that demographic you'd still use names like Warrior, TrackHawk, Gladiator, Frontier. Just like they name their male children after trades and their female children after shiny objects, Mason, Tyler, Carter, Amber, Silver, Jade.
Volkswagens issue is the fact their product are crap. Not crap compared to the competition but generally crap.
Volkswagen of past were decent enough if a little boring for a PH looking for 10/10ths and cheap to finance.
Now they are crap and expensive to finance. The Koreans are mopping up the VW buyers.
With the size of VAG they should be dominating as they have the budget the others dream of.
Theres not one VAG product that appeals to me (excluding porsche).
Volkswagen of past were decent enough if a little boring for a PH looking for 10/10ths and cheap to finance.
Now they are crap and expensive to finance. The Koreans are mopping up the VW buyers.
With the size of VAG they should be dominating as they have the budget the others dream of.
Theres not one VAG product that appeals to me (excluding porsche).
Sheepshanks said:
covmutley said:
I went in an id5 the other day. Despite what reviews I've since read say, I thought it rode very well.
Interior was only ok, but I thought it was a 40k car. For the price it actually is, it's unacceptable, and way off my polestar.
Sat nav lady also kept cutting in every 5 minutes, presumably hearing something in our conversation that sparked her unto life? That would drive me up the wall!
The product isn't good enough.
I might be due a parrot but it’s £50K isn’t it?Interior was only ok, but I thought it was a 40k car. For the price it actually is, it's unacceptable, and way off my polestar.
Sat nav lady also kept cutting in every 5 minutes, presumably hearing something in our conversation that sparked her unto life? That would drive me up the wall!
The product isn't good enough.
dxg said:
We need some actual evidence that they aren't selling. That video is of failed ride share stock and the chap who used it for his propaganda piece actually knows that. He went to China to try and get rich after failing to get rich in SA and he failed there. So he now makes his money railing against SA and China for not letting him be rich.
. He finally makes a good living from milking the vegetable army. sam.rog said:
Volkswagens issue is the fact their product are crap. Not crap compared to the competition but generally crap.
Volkswagen of past were decent enough if a little boring for a PH looking for 10/10ths and cheap to finance.
Now they are crap and expensive to finance. The Koreans are mopping up the VW buyers.
With the size of VAG they should be dominating as they have the budget the others dream of.
Theres not one VAG product that appeals to me (excluding porsche).
I'm not sure I'd call the ID products crap. They seem good enough but they're priced wrong and there isn't much they can do about that as they cost so much more to make than other EVs. Volkswagen of past were decent enough if a little boring for a PH looking for 10/10ths and cheap to finance.
Now they are crap and expensive to finance. The Koreans are mopping up the VW buyers.
With the size of VAG they should be dominating as they have the budget the others dream of.
Theres not one VAG product that appeals to me (excluding porsche).
https://www.electrive.com/2023/06/27/vw-slows-down...
Emden shuts for a 3 week holiday every July.
EV line workers get 1 week extra holiday.
2 weeks of late shift for ID4 and ID7 will be canceled.
300 contractors out of 1500 temporary workers told not to bother coming back. I think that's the hold point of employing contractors, to give flexibility.
This gets then reported as the factory shutting for 6 weeks because of terrible EV sales.
Autumn late shift canceled.
The EV line, until recently, exported models to the US. US market cars are now made in Tennessee.
The Unions and local government cum shareholder say this is due to reduced EV demand affecting everyone rather than the plant making too many cars. Fall off in demand blamed on the German goverment ending last December subsidies for plug in hybrids. I expect the Unions will want the subsidies brought back, so more old Passat hybrids can be sold.
However, there are a lot more EVs now available, increasingly suiting most pockets:
https://www.motorfinanceonline.com/news/used-ev-pr...
Zwikau production is unaffected. VW naturally remains bullish about sales in the autumn.
The local government and Unions make no reference as to where they are getting June sales numbers from, both VW as well as competitors. Most press releases from industry bodies are referring to May registrations, where growth of EVs remains in very high double digits or even triple digits, within the EU and UK.
Emden shuts for a 3 week holiday every July.
EV line workers get 1 week extra holiday.
2 weeks of late shift for ID4 and ID7 will be canceled.
300 contractors out of 1500 temporary workers told not to bother coming back. I think that's the hold point of employing contractors, to give flexibility.
This gets then reported as the factory shutting for 6 weeks because of terrible EV sales.
Autumn late shift canceled.
The EV line, until recently, exported models to the US. US market cars are now made in Tennessee.
The Unions and local government cum shareholder say this is due to reduced EV demand affecting everyone rather than the plant making too many cars. Fall off in demand blamed on the German goverment ending last December subsidies for plug in hybrids. I expect the Unions will want the subsidies brought back, so more old Passat hybrids can be sold.
However, there are a lot more EVs now available, increasingly suiting most pockets:
https://www.motorfinanceonline.com/news/used-ev-pr...
Zwikau production is unaffected. VW naturally remains bullish about sales in the autumn.
The local government and Unions make no reference as to where they are getting June sales numbers from, both VW as well as competitors. Most press releases from industry bodies are referring to May registrations, where growth of EVs remains in very high double digits or even triple digits, within the EU and UK.
covmutley said:
Sheepshanks said:
covmutley said:
I went in an id5 the other day. Despite what reviews I've since read say, I thought it rode very well.
Interior was only ok, but I thought it was a 40k car. For the price it actually is, it's unacceptable, and way off my polestar.
Sat nav lady also kept cutting in every 5 minutes, presumably hearing something in our conversation that sparked her unto life? That would drive me up the wall!
The product isn't good enough.
I might be due a parrot but it’s £50K isn’t it?Interior was only ok, but I thought it was a 40k car. For the price it actually is, it's unacceptable, and way off my polestar.
Sat nav lady also kept cutting in every 5 minutes, presumably hearing something in our conversation that sparked her unto life? That would drive me up the wall!
The product isn't good enough.
Must admit I was shocked (no pun intended) by ID.3 pricing - the loaner we had was lifted considerably by having a glass roof though. But steel wheels (with a wheel trim already missing on a 600 mile car) was a surprise.
autumnsum said:
Their EVs are awful compared to Tesla (tech) or even MG (price) why would anyone buy a VW.
Isn't the model Y the best selling car in Europe right now (it's high in the UK charts too).
Best selling car in Europe is the Dacia Sandero, second best is the model Y, VWs best seller is the T-roc and is high up in the charts along with other VWs. People are still buying plenty of VWs, just less of the I.D range.Isn't the model Y the best selling car in Europe right now (it's high in the UK charts too).
VW dropped all their small battery and small motor trims during the parts shortage. So they have a top heavy brand which doesn't have the build quality to match the price compared to many of the competitors. Much better deals available on Chinese and Korean cars, with Mercedes doing well in the premium SUV.
Cloudy147 said:
VW = Nokia
I think it's absolutely this - they have all the same problems including legacy platforms and tech, product proliferation so a lack of focus, dullness, and a slight undeserved reputation for quality that isn't helping when the race is for the bottom of the market.nd0000 said:
Cloudy147 said:
VW = Nokia
I think it's absolutely this - they have all the same problems including legacy platforms and tech, product proliferation so a lack of focus, dullness, and a slight undeserved reputation for quality that isn't helping when the race is for the bottom of the market.VW sales are up this year in the UK.
They have increased their market share by 1.65%, up to 8.34% of UK registrations.
Compare that to Tesla, which has increased its market share by 0.04% and has a total market share of 2.41%
Someone is buying the things.
Do we know how many they were expected to sell?
I believe its not just VW, ev,s the downturn is across the sector.
As with all newish tech a % will embrace it and have to have it, the remainder just hold fire and wait a bit longer .
People are being told to put a hold on high ticket items at the moment due to the interest rates and potential mortgage hikes, this isnt helping.
As with all newish tech a % will embrace it and have to have it, the remainder just hold fire and wait a bit longer .
People are being told to put a hold on high ticket items at the moment due to the interest rates and potential mortgage hikes, this isnt helping.
Edited by tedblog on Sunday 2nd July 17:43
Edited by tedblog on Sunday 2nd July 17:44
Fusion777 said:
I suspect VW may be ok if they can get their act together with EV, owing to the colossal scale the VAG group have and can employ. They're having a blip, but overall in non-PH circles, the brand still has a decent rep.
The Golf 8 is a step back in quality too, I'd take a 7/7.5 Golf GTD over an 8, and certainly over any of their EVs currently available.
It's amazing what 99% of owners will forgive. The Golf 8 is a step back in quality too, I'd take a 7/7.5 Golf GTD over an 8, and certainly over any of their EVs currently available.
Fusion777 said:
I suspect VW may be ok if they can get their act together with EV, owing to the colossal scale the VAG group have and can employ. They're having a blip, but overall in non-PH circles, the brand still has a decent rep.
The Golf 8 is a step back in quality too, I'd take a 7/7.5 Golf GTD over an 8, and certainly over any of their EVs currently available.
I hope so, I have high hopes for the id2.The Golf 8 is a step back in quality too, I'd take a 7/7.5 Golf GTD over an 8, and certainly over any of their EVs currently available.
Regarding the golf, I did exactly that - buying a mk7.5 evo last year instead of an early mk8 that I could have had for similar money.
TheRainMaker said:
nd0000 said:
Cloudy147 said:
VW = Nokia
I think it's absolutely this - they have all the same problems including legacy platforms and tech, product proliferation so a lack of focus, dullness, and a slight undeserved reputation for quality that isn't helping when the race is for the bottom of the market.VW sales are up this year in the UK.
They have increased their market share by 1.65%, up to 8.34% of UK registrations.
Compare that to Tesla, which has increased its market share by 0.04% and has a total market share of 2.41%
Someone is buying the things.
Do we know how many they were expected to sell?
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