Hybrid's - to plug or not to plug
Discussion
Phil. said:
TheDeuce said:
Although you can technically be done for that, if the car is on a public highway at the time.
An outdated UK law that defines the vehicle as requiring a licenced and insured driver to be in control if the ignition is on, on a public highway.
EV's have no ignition so automatically avoid such definition.
Interestingly, ignition being turned on is also an established way to prove a drunk had the intention to drive, if the police intervene before they actually move the car.
Weak argument. How many EV’s get charged while on a public highway? Not many. An outdated UK law that defines the vehicle as requiring a licenced and insured driver to be in control if the ignition is on, on a public highway.
EV's have no ignition so automatically avoid such definition.
Interestingly, ignition being turned on is also an established way to prove a drunk had the intention to drive, if the police intervene before they actually move the car.
Can you explain?
Also what "argument' you think I was making? It was just some superfluous info about why most ICE cars don't allow remote start in the UK.
Evanivitch said:
otolith said:
Surely that isn't the main basis of the judgement against MG;
"The ASA thought that consumers would believe that MG’s advert meant that all the vehicles listed in the advert were zero emissions. This was not correct for all of the vehicle types."
They did censure BMW for saying that electric vehicles were ZEVs on the basis you describe, though I'm not sure why an advertising industry quango's opinion on this outweighs the usage of the term in government publications and policy.
Apologies, bad example grabbed quickly from the net, but yes the ASA have said that "zero emissions" can't be used for advertising vehicles."The ASA thought that consumers would believe that MG’s advert meant that all the vehicles listed in the advert were zero emissions. This was not correct for all of the vehicle types."
They did censure BMW for saying that electric vehicles were ZEVs on the basis you describe, though I'm not sure why an advertising industry quango's opinion on this outweighs the usage of the term in government publications and policy.
TheDeuce said:
Phil. said:
TheDeuce said:
Although you can technically be done for that, if the car is on a public highway at the time.
An outdated UK law that defines the vehicle as requiring a licenced and insured driver to be in control if the ignition is on, on a public highway.
EV's have no ignition so automatically avoid such definition.
Interestingly, ignition being turned on is also an established way to prove a drunk had the intention to drive, if the police intervene before they actually move the car.
Weak argument. How many EV’s get charged while on a public highway? Not many. An outdated UK law that defines the vehicle as requiring a licenced and insured driver to be in control if the ignition is on, on a public highway.
EV's have no ignition so automatically avoid such definition.
Interestingly, ignition being turned on is also an established way to prove a drunk had the intention to drive, if the police intervene before they actually move the car.
Can you explain?
Also what "argument' you think I was making? It was just some superfluous info about why most ICE cars don't allow remote start in the UK.
otolith said:
TheDeuce said:
Phil. said:
TheDeuce said:
Although you can technically be done for that, if the car is on a public highway at the time.
An outdated UK law that defines the vehicle as requiring a licenced and insured driver to be in control if the ignition is on, on a public highway.
EV's have no ignition so automatically avoid such definition.
Interestingly, ignition being turned on is also an established way to prove a drunk had the intention to drive, if the police intervene before they actually move the car.
Weak argument. How many EV’s get charged while on a public highway? Not many. An outdated UK law that defines the vehicle as requiring a licenced and insured driver to be in control if the ignition is on, on a public highway.
EV's have no ignition so automatically avoid such definition.
Interestingly, ignition being turned on is also an established way to prove a drunk had the intention to drive, if the police intervene before they actually move the car.
Can you explain?
Also what "argument' you think I was making? It was just some superfluous info about why most ICE cars don't allow remote start in the UK.
What sort of convenience would that be on a cold morning!? Run outside in your slippers and plug the car in so it can conveniently warm up...
paralla said:
TheDeuce said:
I refuse to believe he can be that stupid
What sort of convenience would that be on a cold morning!? Run outside in your slippers and plug the car in so it can conveniently warm up...
Really? I can easily believe it. What sort of convenience would that be on a cold morning!? Run outside in your slippers and plug the car in so it can conveniently warm up...
Edited by paralla on Tuesday 25th June 16:50
and this from the one who flounced off the thread only to return to provide us with lots of information in a long post about different coloured hybrids without making any point whatsoever For those gloating, I have never owned a plug-in EV so I don’t know the in’s and out’s of their operation but I’m happy to be educated if you can hold back on the b
hiness a little 
TheDeuce said:
I refuse to believe he can be that stupid
What sort of convenience would that be on a cold morning!? Run outside in your slippers and plug the car in so it can conveniently warm up...
Just be clear, I thought most people left their EV’s plugged-in overnight so they’re at maximum charge for the the next day? Did I get this wrong? In which case there’s no need for you to be running out in your fluffy slippers What sort of convenience would that be on a cold morning!? Run outside in your slippers and plug the car in so it can conveniently warm up...
Phil. said:
paralla said:
TheDeuce said:
I refuse to believe he can be that stupid
What sort of convenience would that be on a cold morning!? Run outside in your slippers and plug the car in so it can conveniently warm up...
Really? I can easily believe it. What sort of convenience would that be on a cold morning!? Run outside in your slippers and plug the car in so it can conveniently warm up...
Edited by paralla on Tuesday 25th June 16:50
and this from the one who flounced off the thread only to return to provide us with lots of information in a long post about different coloured hybrids without making any point whatsoever For those gloating, I have never owned a plug-in EV so I don’t know the in’s and out’s of their operation but I’m happy to be educated if you can hold back on the b
hiness a little You say you are happy to be educated but your previous posts suggest otherwise.
The thread is keeping me amused between swims.
BTW I wholeheartedly endorse your recent drive in the Scottish Highlands. We spend a week near Beauly every Winter. A Range Rover is more appropriate up there than a CX-60 whose 50 profile tyres were not butch enough. I can recommend Eagle Brae if you are ever looking for somewhere nice to stay in that part of the country.
paralla said:
I’d have thought sharing recent experience of living with a plug in and a non plug in hybrid of the same model car in the same class as the OP is interested in buying for the school run is far more relevant and useful than anything to do with a 3L Diesel Range Rover.
Please to see you enjoyed your visit to Scotland. It’s a mild-hybrid diesel Range Rover which seem to be uncommon in the hybrid world so very relevant to this thread when deciding what hybrid is best for which type of driving
Phil. said:
paralla said:
I’d have thought sharing recent experience of living with a plug in and a non plug in hybrid of the same model car in the same class as the OP is interested in buying for the school run is far more relevant and useful than anything to do with a 3L Diesel Range Rover.
Please to see you enjoyed your visit to Scotland. It’s a mild-hybrid diesel Range Rover which seem to be uncommon in the hybrid world so very relevant to this thread when deciding what hybrid is best for which type of driving
You've got a pointlessly 'hybrid' RR and have waded in to discussion about hybrid Vs EV with an opinion but no actual knowledge of both solutions.
You assumed I was making an anti ICE post when I was not, which shows a degree of bias on your part.
I think the chances of any of your various ramblings contributing to the OP's decision making is about as likely as a fart knocking over a pyramid. But... Carry on with the nonsense - I'm definitely not the only one you're amusing!!
Phil. said:
Please to see you enjoyed your visit to Scotland.
It’s a mild-hybrid diesel Range Rover which seem to be uncommon in the hybrid world so very relevant to this thread when deciding what hybrid is best for which type of driving
The D350 Range Rover is a Mild Hybrid. It’s a 48V system tha’s not capable of powering the vehicle on its own without the combustion engine. It’s recovers energy when slowing down and deploys it to provide torque assistance to the engine during stop/start. It’s a mild-hybrid diesel Range Rover which seem to be uncommon in the hybrid world so very relevant to this thread when deciding what hybrid is best for which type of driving
It has no high voltage traction battery or traction electric motor. It improves the efficiency of the engine but it doesn’t drive the car.
The OP is considering a hybrid or a plug in hybrid, not a mild hybrid.
TheDeuce said:
Yea...
You've got a pointlessly 'hybrid' RR and have waded in to discussion about hybrid Vs EV with an opinion but no actual knowledge of both solutions.
You assumed I was making an anti ICE post when I was not, which shows a degree of bias on your part.
I think the chances of any of your various ramblings contributing to the OP's decision making is about as likely as a fart knocking over a pyramid. But... Carry on with the nonsense - I'm definitely not the only one you're amusing!!
I own two Hyundai mild-hybrids as well as the RR I drove one of the Hyundai’s 300km south of Valencia recently non-stop in 2.5hrs and achieved 44mpg including peage’s. I’m sure mpg would have been much higher but I wanted to get back home for the F1. Mild-hybrids work for me and my driving requirements. Plug-ins don’t work for me presently You've got a pointlessly 'hybrid' RR and have waded in to discussion about hybrid Vs EV with an opinion but no actual knowledge of both solutions.
You assumed I was making an anti ICE post when I was not, which shows a degree of bias on your part.
I think the chances of any of your various ramblings contributing to the OP's decision making is about as likely as a fart knocking over a pyramid. But... Carry on with the nonsense - I'm definitely not the only one you're amusing!!
paralla said:
The D350 Range Rover is a Mild Hybrid. It’s a 48V system tha’s not capable of powering the vehicle on its own without the combustion engine. It’s recovers energy when slowing down and deploys it to provide torque assistance to the engine during stop/start.
It has no high voltage traction battery or traction electric motor. It improves the efficiency of the engine but it doesn’t drive the car.
The OP is considering a hybrid or a plug in hybrid, not a mild hybrid.
What’s the difference between a hybrid and a mild hybrid?It has no high voltage traction battery or traction electric motor. It improves the efficiency of the engine but it doesn’t drive the car.
The OP is considering a hybrid or a plug in hybrid, not a mild hybrid.
Phil. said:
What’s the difference between a hybrid and a mild hybrid?
Mild hybrid is a glorified start stop system, hybrid can run as an EV for a short distance. (Unless it's a Honda CR-Z/Insight 5dr/there may be others with the motor between the engine and gearbox, where the electric power is there more as a power boost without the petrol).https://www.whatcar.com/advice/buying/what-is-a-mi...
ajprice said:
Mild hybrid is a glorified start stop system, hybrid can run as an EV for a short distance. (Unless it's a Honda CR-Z/Insight 5dr/there may be others with the motor between the engine and gearbox, where the electric power is there more as a power boost without the petrol).
https://www.whatcar.com/advice/buying/what-is-a-mi...
I agree but paralla does seem to know the difference despite their husband owning a Toyota hybrid and them owning a plug-in hybrid https://www.whatcar.com/advice/buying/what-is-a-mi...
Phil. said:
ajprice said:
Mild hybrid is a glorified start stop system, hybrid can run as an EV for a short distance. (Unless it's a Honda CR-Z/Insight 5dr/there may be others with the motor between the engine and gearbox, where the electric power is there more as a power boost without the petrol).
https://www.whatcar.com/advice/buying/what-is-a-mi...
I agree but paralla does seem to know the difference despite their husband owning a Toyota hybrid and them owning a plug-in hybrid https://www.whatcar.com/advice/buying/what-is-a-mi...
In Land Rover products they allow the engine to stop below 17mph.
https://youtu.be/FmgXkLZJPOY?si=QgyDD3962pr43JG-
The battery and electric motor in a hybrid are big enough to move the car without the ICE
Since Hyundai doesn’t have a mild hybrid in its current lineup your Hyundais are most likely hybrids that can operate without the ICE, unlike your Range Rover.
They have a pretty clear website describing the differences.
https://www.hyundai.com/uk/en/electrification/owni...
We are 13 pages in and you are still not sure about basic definitions.
Like most of your posts, the one about me knowing the difference despite my husband owning a hybrid and me owning a PHEV isn’t clear.
In case you were questioning my knowledge on the subject, owning the two types of car the OP is considering (and knowing what they are) along with my degree in electrical engineering and my career in green tech I am quietly confident that I know what I’m talking about.
paralla said:
In case you were questioning my knowledge on the subject, owning the two types of car the OP is considering (and knowing what they are) along with my degree in electrical engineering and my career in green tech I am quietly confident that I know what I’m talking about.
:mic drop:
Mild Hybrid is completely pointless. I already know what they do and it is basically glorified stop-start.
I feel like if you can get a plug-in and are able to charge at home and/or at destination (for free), they seem to do a better job of the EV mode within it's range. As for non-plug hybrids, I can see why they are an option as it is possible to run just in EV mode but of course you are limited.
I feel like if you can get a plug-in and are able to charge at home and/or at destination (for free), they seem to do a better job of the EV mode within it's range. As for non-plug hybrids, I can see why they are an option as it is possible to run just in EV mode but of course you are limited.
paralla said:
Since Hyundai doesn’t have a mild hybrid in its current lineup your Hyundais are most likely hybrids that can operate without the ICE, unlike your Range Rover.
https://www.hyundai.news/eu/articles/press-releases/hyundai-48-volt-mild-hybrid-system.htmlMy wife runs a Kia Stonic with the 1.0 TGDI MHEV - I was hugely sceptical but you can't argue with a petrol that easily surpasses 50mpg on motorway.
I believe this engine has been offered in the Bayon and Kona, so they may be talking about MHEV.
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