iPace-enomics

[Mogsmex]

Ours went a couple of months ago (wifes company car and she changed jobs) and since then she has had a EQC Mercedes (awful range) so swopped to a model 3 that is still with us and neither hold a candle to the ipace in dynamics or comfort

now there basically giving them away (PHmaths ) I'm considering one for my daily 80 mile commute but and it's a BIG but as stated JLR dealers are by far the worst dealers I have ever had the misfortune to use........ there like a playground with no one taking any responsibility and no actual knowledge or drive to help you in any way so even with a waranty (which is a MUST) not sure i can do it again...........

I'm checking AT and ebay and pondering heavily as there such a good package

[Deadlysub]

Mogsmex said:

Ours went a couple of months ago (wifes company car and she changed jobs) and since then she has had a EQC Mercedes (awful range) so swopped to a model 3 that is still with us and neither hold a candle to the ipace in dynamics or comfort

now there basically giving them away (PHmaths ) I'm considering one for my daily 80 mile commute but and it's a BIG but as stated JLR dealers are by far the worst dealers I have ever had the misfortune to use........ there like a playground with no one taking any responsibility and no actual knowledge or drive to help you in any way so even with a waranty (which is a MUST) not sure i can do it again...........

I'm checking AT and ebay and pondering heavily as there such a good package

I’m glad it’s not just me who struggle with Jag dealers.

I did the man maths last night on an I Pace and you can have crazy cheap motoring with one I just don’t know if I can live with the dealer network if something goes wrong and statement from current owner who say a warranty is a MUST scares me!

[Still Mulling]

Deadlysub said:

Mogsmex said:

Ours went a couple of months ago (wifes company car and she changed jobs) and since then she has had a EQC Mercedes (awful range) so swopped to a model 3 that is still with us and neither hold a candle to the ipace in dynamics or comfort

now there basically giving them away (PHmaths ) I'm considering one for my daily 80 mile commute but and it's a BIG but as stated JLR dealers are by far the worst dealers I have ever had the misfortune to use........ there like a playground with no one taking any responsibility and no actual knowledge or drive to help you in any way so even with a waranty (which is a MUST) not sure i can do it again...........

I'm checking AT and ebay and pondering heavily as there such a good package

I’m glad it’s not just me who struggle with Jag dealers.

I did the man maths last night on an I Pace and you can have crazy cheap motoring with one I just don’t know if I can live with the dealer network if something goes wrong and statement from current owner who say a warranty is a MUST scares me!

I am also here. A warranty is worthless if there are no spare parts to implement fixes. If I do go EV and not ICE (one final time), I'm erring towards the Ioniq 5 used, or if work pull their finger out perhaps a Model Y (although I have similar reliability/dealership concerns there).

[TheDeuce]

To be fair if I bought any used car that was originally sold as a high end luxury car for £70-85k... I'd want to keep it in warranty. The reality is that although you can buy them for £20k now, they're still an £80k car on terms of repair costs.

That said, other than the leaky windscreen issue which is now known and understood, I haven't heard of much going wrong with them - the only fault mine developed was a slipping telescopic motor for the power boot hatch, which was hilarious as it landed on my head as it failed!! Also some loose bodywork which simply required gluing. I went to the dealer on both occasions but thinking back, I could have sorted both issues myself and probably with less faff.

However there is one important reason to keep iPace under warranty; several minor sounding faults can require removal and refitting of the battery pack to resolve - and that's really expensive. Also peace of mind if you have adaptive and air suspension, those bits are pricey too.

I would have another one though, they're easily worth the 'risk'. Whatever contact with the dealer network is required is likely to be minimal, if any. I strongly suspect that for every owner that has a significant iPace problem, there will be 20 others that would have nothing much to report during their time with the car.

[TheDeuce]

Still Mulling said:

I am also here. A warranty is worthless if there are no spare parts to implement fixes. If I do go EV and not ICE (one final time), I'm erring towards the Ioniq 5 used, or if work pull their finger out perhaps a Model Y (although I have similar reliability/dealership concerns there).

Not really, a decent aftermarket warranty would cover all associated costs including provision of a hire car. It could save you a huge amount of money of the was off the road for a couple of months with a complicated problem to fix and a short supply of parts.

[Still Mulling]

TheDeuce said:

To be fair if I bought any used car that was originally sold as a high end luxury car for £70-85k... I'd want to keep it in warranty. The reality is that although you can buy them for £20k now, they're still an £80k car on terms of repair costs.

That said, other than the leaky windscreen issue which is now known and understood, I haven't heard of much going wrong with them - the only fault mine developed was a slipping telescopic motor for the power boot hatch, which was hilarious as it landed on my head as it failed!! Also some loose bodywork which simply required gluing. I went to the dealer on both occasions but thinking back, I could have sorted both issues myself and probably with less faff.

However there is one important reason to keep iPace under warranty; several minor sounding faults can require removal and refitting of the battery pack to resolve - and that's really expensive. Also peace of mind if you have adaptive and air suspension, those bits are pricey too.

I would have another one though, they're easily worth the 'risk'. Whatever contact with the dealer network is required is likely to be minimal, if any. I strongly suspect that for every owner that has a significant iPace problem, there will be 20 others that would have nothing much to report during their time with the car.

Ref. the first paragraph, is that still an accurate statement for EVs? There are no (or perhaps fewer would be fairer) high-cost materials and components as per ICE internals for increased performance. I also expect a well designed and tested product to be reliable no matter the purchase cost, with an increased purchase cost only heightening my expectations of good quality.

Ref. the other points, a fair point ref. that there may be more happy than unhappy owners, but unfortunately multiple surveys demonstrate that Jaguar is still a long way off the performance of other manufactuers in terms of both reliability and aftercare.

[Still Mulling]

TheDeuce said:

Not really, a decent aftermarket warranty would cover all associated costs including provision of a hire car. It could save you a huge amount of money of the was off the road for a couple of months with a complicated problem to fix and a short supply of parts.

I am not directly involved with automotive supply chain (although my company has faced its own issues, so I'm sympathetic), but have the worst of times not now passed? I'm not sure how much longer what is beginning to feel like an excuse can hold water. And to my response regarding quality above, if they don't break in the first place then the replacement parts aren't needed

[TheDeuce]

Still Mulling said:

TheDeuce said:

Not really, a decent aftermarket warranty would cover all associated costs including provision of a hire car. It could save you a huge amount of money of the was off the road for a couple of months with a complicated problem to fix and a short supply of parts.

I am not directly involved with automotive supply chain (although my company has faced its own issues, so I'm sympathetic), but have the worst of times not now passed? I'm not sure how much longer what is beginning to feel like an excuse can hold water. And to my response regarding quality above, if they don't break in the first place then the replacement parts aren't needed

The worst is over for most traditional manufacturers, although things are still stretched. JLR specifically massively reduced their UK parts storage and whilst the supply chain issues are largely resolved, holding physically less quantities of parts will cause delays.

It's also not just parts supply and shortages, it's having enough people trained to work on any cars with high voltage that also causes delays.

All this stuff is indeed well underway to being adressed, but I doubt things will be quite as smooth flowing as they were pre COVID for a couple of years yet.

[TheDeuce]

Still Mulling said:

TheDeuce said:

To be fair if I bought any used car that was originally sold as a high end luxury car for £70-85k... I'd want to keep it in warranty. The reality is that although you can buy them for £20k now, they're still an £80k car on terms of repair costs.

That said, other than the leaky windscreen issue which is now known and understood, I haven't heard of much going wrong with them - the only fault mine developed was a slipping telescopic motor for the power boot hatch, which was hilarious as it landed on my head as it failed!! Also some loose bodywork which simply required gluing. I went to the dealer on both occasions but thinking back, I could have sorted both issues myself and probably with less faff.

However there is one important reason to keep iPace under warranty; several minor sounding faults can require removal and refitting of the battery pack to resolve - and that's really expensive. Also peace of mind if you have adaptive and air suspension, those bits are pricey too.

I would have another one though, they're easily worth the 'risk'. Whatever contact with the dealer network is required is likely to be minimal, if any. I strongly suspect that for every owner that has a significant iPace problem, there will be 20 others that would have nothing much to report during their time with the car.

Ref. the first paragraph, is that still an accurate statement for EVs? There are no (or perhaps fewer would be fairer) high-cost materials and components as per ICE internals for increased performance. I also expect a well designed and tested product to be reliable no matter the purchase cost, with an increased purchase cost only heightening my expectations of good quality.

Ref. the other points, a fair point ref. that there may be more happy than unhappy owners, but unfortunately multiple surveys demonstrate that Jaguar is still a long way off the performance of other manufactuers in terms of both reliability and aftercare.

It's still true when expensive luxury EV's do break down in some way... But yes, data so far appears to show EV's are generally less likely to suffer mechanical issues which prevent the car being used - as would be expected really.

Virtually all cars are so reliable these days that being toward the end of reliability charts (nothing to be proud of JLR!) doesn't actually mean that most owners, or even a significant %, will have any real problems.

The risk of course increases the lower down the chart but... The price of those used cars tends to decrease as a result. I think it's fair to say that a range of factors have pushed used iPace prices down so low now that they're worth the risk - provided the buyer had the means to afford the increased but still relatively low risk. A decent warranty mitigates most of the risk entirely.

Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 18th December 12:03

[Still Mulling]

Thanks, The Deuce. I enjoy a well reasoned and well-put debate. Far too few of them around these days!

[njj850]

I took the plunge a month ago on a used Ipace.

I would assume that most of the common issues have been resolved with a used car which has done a few miles (the dealer can check for you).

I agree with the statements around warranty, it's peace of mind more than anything, an insurance policy if you will.

I hope that I never have to see a dealer and probability states, I won't.

For the price, it's simply a great car.

I do sometimes wonder what values will be like in a few years to come, but life is short, so I will just enjoy it.

[Discombobulate]

I have been considering part exchanging my 22 iPace for a Taycan but after trying two different spec STs my wife and I came away asking why? A good spec Taycan is a great place to sit and drives well, but nowhere near well enough to justify the price to change. It's not that the Taycan isn't good, it's just that the iPace is good too.

I guess Porsche dealers would be better, but I have heard lots of horror stories about Taycan reliability too. And not just heater issues..

Other than requiring a reboot of a comms module my iPace has been faultless.

[TheDeuce]

Still Mulling said:

Thanks, The Deuce. I enjoy a well reasoned and well-put debate. Far too few of them around these days!

I try and achieve at least one a year on PH

[DMZ]

I have to say my JLR dealer is very good so it’s not all bad. I can only look at my own situation and we had the leaking windscreen and one of the 12V batteries going bad. Both issues fixed under warranty but even without warranty these would have been chicken feed to get sorted. If it keeps going like this then we’ll keep the car for another few years. Ours is out of warranty now.

[ant1973]

I went to see an iPace at the weekend. I thought that the perceived quality was really good. On a par with the Germans.

They are great value for money £32k gets you a 22 plate HSE with low miles.

The issue for me is that it's a low volume car that is being discontinued in 2025.

How long will parts be around, and how long will the extended warranty be offered?

Were it not for that, would have seriously considered it.

[dmsims]

Leaky windscreen which is not covered under extended warranty can run into four figures, might be chicken feed for some........

[pacenotes]

A couple of questions for the hive as I've been looking at them for a while!

Is it best to go through a Jag dealership? Do they offer any deposit schemes? (Seen over on the lease threads about Audis with a good dealer contribution.)

Maybe if you buy through a dealership you get a warranty included?

For any company directors, Can you put a 2nd hand Electric car through a company? Or does it have to be new?

[njj850]

pacenotes said:

A couple of questions for the hive as I've been looking at them for a while!

Is it best to go through a Jag dealership? Do they offer any deposit schemes? (Seen over on the lease threads about Audis with a good dealer contribution.)

Maybe if you buy through a dealership you get a warranty included?

For any company directors, Can you put a 2nd hand Electric car through a company? Or does it have to be new?

Yes they do, this is what I did:

https://used.jaguar.co.uk/jaguar-offers

[DMZ]

dmsims said:

Leaky windscreen which is not covered under extended warranty can run into four figures, might be chicken feed for some........

I assumed folks would be smart enough to call a screen fitting guy, the same guy that the dealership would use, and flick him hundred quid cash.

Or do a windscreen claim which for me would be €25.

Are these really the types of problems you guys worry about?

There is a bunch of stuff to worry about, though. Inverter failing, heating unit failing, battery cooling failing. Those will not be cheap but seem to fail very rarely. Mostly the concern here is finding an Indy who can do it for half price.

[dmsims]

A lot of people seem to get internal damage as it leaks into the cabin amongst the trim and electrics..........

DMZ said:

dmsims said:

Leaky windscreen which is not covered under extended warranty can run into four figures, might be chicken feed for some........

I assumed folks would be smart enough to call a screen fitting guy, the same guy that the dealership would use, and flick him hundred quid cash.

Or do a windscreen claim which for me would be €25.

Are these really the types of problems you guys worry about?