Ioniq 6 v Tesla MY LR

[wong]

Have you considered the Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 ?

Edited by wong on Monday 27th May 21:52

[DT1975]

JNW1 said:

But to my eye the Model Y Tesla isn't exactly a looker either. Each to their own but based purely on appearance I reckon something like a Polestar's a much nicer option if you want an EV with a hatchback - or an iPace if range is less important and you're prepared to risk the (apparently) abysmal Jaguar dealer network!

Agree with every part of your post. It's bad enough making these decisions but when manufacturers seem to go out of their way to make a statement in design like they do with EV's it muddies the water.

That said I kind of missed the part when the OP said he was looking at a model Y so best of a bad lot I guess (in looks).

[WestyCarl]

RayDonovan said:

raspy said:

If you are charging at home, why are you concerned with the Tesla being more efficient than the Ioniq? At the end of the day, you are still saving a lot of cash by home charging an EV vs Petrol/Diesel, so why not go with the EV that you enjoy, regardless of whether it's less efficient than another EV.

Very true. I've done some research today on the non Tesla network (especially abroad) and it looks pretty slick now.

I've used the Tesla Network for 55k miles and it's been great. However due to an upcoming car change I've started using the non-Tesla chanrging network and apart from the Sat Nav integration it's just as good. There's plenty more sites, but maybe not as many stalls at each site, I'm now not so worried about leaving the Tesla Network.

[raspy]

RayDonovan said:

Very true. I've done some research today on the non Tesla network (especially abroad) and it looks pretty slick now.

I'm off to Belgium later this week and since my last drive over in summer of 2023, there seems to be way more clusters of rapid chargers all over the place.

[EddieSteadyGo]

WestyCarl said:

I've used the Tesla Network for 55k miles and it's been great. However due to an upcoming car change I've started using the non-Tesla chanrging network and apart from the Sat Nav integration it's just as good. There's plenty more sites, but maybe not as many stalls at each site, I'm now not so worried about leaving the Tesla Network.

Has the requirement to download and register with a variety of different "apps", which last time I tried were often flaky and unreliable, improved? And the reliability of getting the car to actually start charging (with a working charger)? I've not really used anything other than the supercharger network for the last 3 years, but my prior experience of public charging was that it was often "hit and miss" in terms of ease of use and reliability. At that time, getting a smooth charging experience on a long journey was more of a relief when it happened rather than an expectation

I have though seen lots of new chargers being installed, so I presume my prior experience is now out-dated?

[charltjr]

Yes, it’s far better than it was a couple of years ago.

All new chargers must support contactless. There are still plenty out there where you need a specific app etc but their numbers are dwindling.

Also the supercharger network opening up to other cars is a big positive IMO because they’re not obscenely overpriced.

[WestyCarl]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Has the requirement to download and register with a variety of different "apps", which last time I tried were often flaky and unreliable, improved? And the reliability of getting the car to actually start charging (with a working charger)? I've not really used anything other than the supercharger network for the last 3 years, but my prior experience of public charging was that it was often "hit and miss" in terms of ease of use and reliability. At that time, getting a smooth charging experience on a long journey was more of a relief when it happened rather than an expectation

I have though seen lots of new chargers being installed, so I presume my prior experience is now out-dated?

Yes outdated, all you need is to touch and go with a credit card.

Yesterday I went form the midlands to the New Forest and passed 2 Tesla S/C sites (Oxford, Winchester), in comparision I must have passed about half a dozen other sites (with more than 2 chargers)

On the way back I did a quick top up at Tot hill services on the A34 which worked perfectly. A shell garage with maybe 12 new fast charging bays (plus a Maccies next to it with 3 Instavolt chargers). At 5pm on a bank holiday there were only 2 cars there.

It seems weening me of the s/c network will be easier than expected

[Gone fishing]

Owning a Tesla and its like a scene from 1984 when you go to the car park



Having dropped owning aTesla after 8 years and went on my first long road trip in a BMW iX, public charging isn't an issue, or should I say it's no more an issue than owning any EV including a Tesla. And while many lustfully look at the full self driving (supervised) [which is an oxymoron) I've found the tech when it comes to driving to be way ahead of Tesla. Can;t speak to the Ioniq but don't let anyone tell you Tesla are "simply years ahead"

[FWIW]

Gone fishing said:

.I've found the tech when it comes to driving to be way ahead of Tesla. Can;t speak to the Ioniq but don't let anyone tell you Tesla are "simply years ahead"

Genuine question; I’ve only experience of Tesla and Cupra - Tesla *is* way ahead.
What is it about the BM that’s better?

[EddieSteadyGo]

WestyCarl said:

Yes outdated, all you need is to touch and go with a credit card.

Yesterday I went form the midlands to the New Forest and passed 2 Tesla S/C sites (Oxford, Winchester), in comparision I must have passed about half a dozen other sites (with more than 2 chargers)

On the way back I did a quick top up at Tot hill services on the A34 which worked perfectly. A shell garage with maybe 12 new fast charging bays (plus a Maccies next to it with 3 Instavolt chargers). At 5pm on a bank holiday there were only 2 cars there.

It seems weening me of the s/c network will be easier than expected

Fair enough, it's good that it has improved, although tbh I have too many scars from previous bad experiences that for me personally, I will be sticking with the supercharger network for the foreseeable future.

[Gone fishing]

FWIW said:

Genuine question; I’ve only experience of Tesla and Cupra - Tesla *is* way ahead.
What is it about the BM that’s better?

Sat nav: BMW has augmented realtiy, a multitude of map views including birdsye, option to zoom or not, throws up alternatuive routes when needed (and whilst our Tesla was meant to change if there was a quicker route I never noticed it do so) etc., have a choice of level of instruction, can show the map on the main screen, binnicle or head up display.

Driver assist : no phantom braking at all, has all the same lane keep options like Tesla but automatically picks up again if you reach a junction, has a max speed option which Tesla doesn't, drops the speed automatically ahead of a lower speed limit change, provides warnings for tight bends ahead, is smoother in the lane keep, and no annoying bongs

Talking of speed limits - it only missed on motiorway variable limit in 400 miles of driving and got it at the second gantry

Has had ultra wide band bluetooth keys on models for years (although I imagine its not all models or is an option) This is only on the latest Teslas like the Highland

Has tailgate operation with a wipe of the foot and has done for years. Some Teslas might get this but nobody knows how reliable it will be

BMW wipers that just work

Adaptive headlights are better ont he BMW and ours has laser headlights for even visibility in some conditions

Front and rear cameras have a wash function

The predicted miles left on arrival was all but bang on, Tesla for all its complicated calculations still seemed to be hit and miss and on the screen you have a choice of % (which tells you nothing really) or miles (using the EPA effriciency), the BMW gives both

Head up display.. say no more

Apple car play, android auto, alexa integration

Soft close doors

The app gives you trip and charge history out the box, no need for a teslafi or teslamate account

Glass roof that at the press of a button tints and becomes a sunshade

What does Tesla have thats better... well more functions via the app, although in 8 years I don't recall ever needing most of the functions it has to offer. Evebn things like adding other drivers you can do with the BMW and just send them a card they put in their apple wallet and then you have no need to have the app running in the backlground like you do with Tesla to be able to get in and drive the car

Games - loads more in the Tesla, but thats not exactly driving related.

.I know some will say some of those things are BMW options, and thats fair enough, personally its nice to have the choice.

[5s Alive]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Fair enough, it's good that it has improved, although tbh I have too many scars from previous bad experiences that for me personally, I will be sticking with the supercharger network for the foreseeable future.

Superchargers are the dogs. Fast, reliable, cheap - at least in comparison to other networks.

Keep it quiet though, I'd rather have them to myself...

[Gone fishing]

5s Alive said:

Superchargers are the dogs. Fast, reliable, cheap - at least in comparison to other networks.

Keep it quiet though, I'd rather have them to myself...

The irony is that Tesla are opening them to other makes of car and despite the V4 chargers having longer cables they are still often installed in such a way non Tesla cars end up blocking one charger space and use the adjacent one

I hadn’t used a public charger other than Tesla superchargers and charge place Scotland destination chargers for about 6 years, back to the days of old school Ecotricity. The service centres we stopped at were all just plug in and tap the credit card, tho he have moved on leaps and bounds in both number (expected) and simplicity

I get why some might want a Tesla, my only issue is when they think only Tesla offers something when the other makes do.

Edited by Gone fishing on Tuesday 28th May 13:12

[5s Alive]

Gone fishing said:

5s Alive said:

Superchargers are the dogs. Fast, reliable, cheap - at least in comparison to other networks.

Keep it quiet though, I'd rather have them to myself...

The irony is that Tesla are opening them to other makes of car and despite the V4 chargers having longer cables they are still often installed in such a way non Tesla cars end up blocking one charger space and use the adjacent one

I hadn’t used a public charger other than Tesla superchargers and charge place Scotland destination chargers for about 6 years, back to the days of old school Ecotricity. The service centres we stopped at were all just plug in and tap the credit card

I get why some might want a Tesla, my only issue is when they think only Tesla offers something when the other makes do.

I need a micrometer to angle our car into a Tesla bay without blocking the adjacent one, it's a faff but doable. I wouldn't do it at all if it meant blocking the adjacent bay.

I use the CPS chargers every time we head north and haven't had any problems yet, however some, like those in Pitlochry, are desperately in need of updating.

Last time we were there I was just about to plug in for a splash n dash (walk the dog) when an agitated lady in an M3 (Tesla) couldn't initiate a charge from the one that is nearly always broken. She was heading up from England because of a death in the family, so I moved over to the AC charger, went shopping and had lunch instead.

[WestyCarl]

EddieSteadyGo said:

WestyCarl said:

Yes outdated, all you need is to touch and go with a credit card.

Yesterday I went form the midlands to the New Forest and passed 2 Tesla S/C sites (Oxford, Winchester), in comparision I must have passed about half a dozen other sites (with more than 2 chargers)

On the way back I did a quick top up at Tot hill services on the A34 which worked perfectly. A shell garage with maybe 12 new fast charging bays (plus a Maccies next to it with 3 Instavolt chargers). At 5pm on a bank holiday there were only 2 cars there.

It seems weening me of the s/c network will be easier than expected

Fair enough, it's good that it has improved, although tbh I have too many scars from previous bad experiences that for me personally, I will be sticking with the supercharger network for the foreseeable future.

The one thing I will miss about the Tesla and the S/c network is the seasmless integration with the car. I noticed recently that not only does it give S/C live availability but it also indicates how many cars on route to a charger.

[EddieSteadyGo]

WestyCarl said:

... I noticed recently that not only does it give S/C live availability but it also indicates how many cars on route to a charger.

That's quite interesting, I hadn't noticed that. I did notice that it seems to do a version of automatic "load balancing", so the charger location it recommends takes into account how busy the surrounding locations are, and how urgently you need to charge,

[robbieduncan]

Do you care about rear headroom? I’m about 180cm tall (so about average I think) and my head was touching the headliner in the one head in the back of yesterday. I can comfortable sit in the back of our Y. Apart from that do you want/need a hatchback. For us the saloon boot of the Ioniq would be a no-go

[FWIW]

Gone fishing said:

FWIW said:

Genuine question; I’ve only experience of Tesla and Cupra - Tesla *is* way ahead.
What is it about the BM that’s better?

Sat nav: BMW has augmented realtiy, a multitude of map views including birdsye, option to zoom or not, throws up alternatuive routes when needed (and whilst our Tesla was meant to change if there was a quicker route I never noticed it do so) etc., have a choice of level of instruction, can show the map on the main screen, binnicle or head up display.

• that sounds great. I don’t have an issue with the Tesla nav/traffic. Seems to work really well.

Driver assist : no phantom braking at all, has all the same lane keep options like Tesla but automatically picks up again if you reach a junction, has a max speed option which Tesla doesn't, drops the speed automatically ahead of a lower speed limit change, provides warnings for tight bends ahead, is smoother in the lane keep, and no annoying bongs

• sounds like EAP. Never felt the need for a speed limiter when on cruise. Bongs can be annoying! Did you try Joe mode? Better, but not perfect.

Talking of speed limits - it only missed on motiorway variable limit in 400 miles of driving and got it at the second gantry

• I don’t remember missing any limits

Has had ultra wide band bluetooth keys on models for years (although I imagine its not all models or is an option) This is only on the latest Teslas like the Highland

• I think security is a massive + for Tesla. Is there any record of one being stolen with P2D active?

Has tailgate operation with a wipe of the foot and has done for years. Some Teslas might get this but nobody knows how reliable it will be

• wish my MY had this, but like you say, it will probably come. You can setup hand gestures with Apple Watch

BMW wipers that just work

• as do most other cars! This is an Elon thing :lol:

Adaptive headlights are better ont he BMW and ours has laser headlights for even visibility in some conditions

• absolutely! I now have adaptive (free upgrade) but they’re not as good as the BMW ones. But…£££s?

Front and rear cameras have a wash function

• rear wash would help on the Tesla! Does the wash work effectively?

The predicted miles left on arrival was all but bang on, Tesla for all its complicated calculations still seemed to be hit and miss and on the screen you have a choice of % (which tells you nothing really) or miles (using the EPA effriciency), the BMW gives both

• predicted remaining is very accurate on Tesla (not the figure at the top of the screen). So Tesla also gives you both…

Head up display.. say no more

• tesla should have this!

Apple car play, android auto, alexa integration

• meh

Soft close doors

• meh

The app gives you trip and charge history out the box, no need for a teslafi or teslamate account

• meh

Glass roof that at the press of a button tints and becomes a sunshade

• cool

What does Tesla have thats better... well more functions via the app, although in 8 years I don't recall ever needing most of the functions it has to offer. Evebn things like adding other drivers you can do with the BMW and just send them a card they put in their apple wallet and then you have no need to have the app running in the backlground like you do with Tesla to be able to get in and drive the car

Games - loads more in the Tesla, but thats not exactly driving related.

.I know some will say some of those things are BMW options, and thats fair enough, personally its nice to have the choice.

Thanks! Sounds great, will have to try one

…but a spec’d up iX is ~£130k, double the price of an MYP.

I’ve added some comments to your message above. Cheers

[Gone fishing]

FWIW said:

Thanks! Sounds great, will have to try one

…but a spec’d up iX is ~£130k, double the price of an MYP.

I’ve added some comments to your message above. Cheers

I don’t disagree with many of your comments, it’s just pointing out some of the aspects.

I’ve found speed limits to be a bit hit and miss on the Tesla, but the big one with BMW is knowing there’s a lower speed limit ahead, and slowing before the threshold as opposed to Tesla after you pass it. I have a speed awareness course on my CV to illustrate the Tesla shortcoming.

The camera wash works ok, still a little early to experience a really bad dirt but I imagine little and often would work better than waiting until it’s caked in mud.

As for price, I believe most of this stuff is on the i4, i5, iX1 etc, albeit maybe optional.

Oh, and 400 miles over 3 days on motorways doing 75mph when we could and efficiency of the iX was 325wh/m which I thought pretty good, our old MY would have been close to 300 at that sort of speed.

Edited by Gone fishing on Tuesday 28th May 17:44

[off_again]

delta0 said:

I’ve always found the Ioniq 6 looks better in person than in pictures.

^ This

There are a few cars in the world that look terrible in pictures that look much better in real-life - this is one of those cars. Oddly, its the lighter colors that seem to work, though I dont like white.

And is the Model Y a fair comparison to a 6? The Ioniq 6 is absolutely a saloon car and not a hatch.