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The Seal looks great
Slightly larger than a Tesla M3, about the same performance as a TM 3 Perf, similar range to the TM3 LR, better looking exterior and wheels, a HUD and proper parking sensors, for the same price as a TM 3 LR.
Slightly larger than a Tesla M3, about the same performance as a TM 3 Perf, similar range to the TM3 LR, better looking exterior and wheels, a HUD and proper parking sensors, for the same price as a TM 3 LR.
eldar said:
I'd feel surprised that no other car manufacturer in the world could compete with them.
Mass market is where the larger profits are and the only way European brands can compete is if there is an additional duty/tax applied to Chinese made cars. [Is the current Chinese import duty enough?]Edited by SDK on Friday 29th December 12:37
eldar said:
Jazzy Jag said:
When the Chinese have driven every other car manufacturer out of business and/or bought the remains of peanuts using CCP money, how will you feel?
I'd feel surprised that no other car manufacturer in the world could compete with them.
ked itself to death in the face of German and Japanese competition funded by blood money from WW2.Jazzy Jag said:
When the Chinese have driven every other car manufacturer out of business and/or bought the remains of peanuts using CCP money, how will you feel?
My username is appropriate in this instance.Obviously never going to happen but carry on with the doom/gloom.
Earlier you mentioned MG discounts but this is exactly what German manufacturers like Merc, VAG and BMW have been doing for the last 20 years with their ludicrous dealer/manufacturer contributions combined with competitive PCP rates.
The objective of business is market dominance but this rarely happens as people want choice and variety. Life would be boring if every car on the road was a BYD or MG.
Edited by Zero Fuchs on Friday 29th December 21:58
Zero Fuchs said:
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The objective of business is market dominance but this rarely happens as people want choice and variety. Life would be boring if every car on the road was a BYD or MG....
I'm a little conflicted on this...but companies like BYD aren't "proper" businesses when the propping up is being done by the Chinese government.The objective of business is market dominance but this rarely happens as people want choice and variety. Life would be boring if every car on the road was a BYD or MG....
The Chinese authorities are being very clever with their approaches globally. Soft power.
The car situation seems a little like them dumping steel.
Long term, I do not think allowing their dominance in our home market is "a good idea". The conflict in my mind is that I'm far from convinced companies like Porsche etc are operating on an even playing field. either. So where does one stop.
Technologically the Chinese have definitely been forward thinking in approach on drivetrains. The West have been arrogant and slow. Which also adds to my conflict
Murph7355 said:
Zero Fuchs said:
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The objective of business is market dominance but this rarely happens as people want choice and variety. Life would be boring if every car on the road was a BYD or MG....
I'm a little conflicted on this...but companies like BYD aren't "proper" businesses when the propping up is being done by the Chinese government.The objective of business is market dominance but this rarely happens as people want choice and variety. Life would be boring if every car on the road was a BYD or MG....
The Chinese authorities are being very clever with their approaches globally. Soft power.
The car situation seems a little like them dumping steel.
Long term, I do not think allowing their dominance in our home market is "a good idea". The conflict in my mind is that I'm far from convinced companies like Porsche etc are operating on an even playing field. either. So where does one stop.
Technologically the Chinese have definitely been forward thinking in approach on drivetrains. The West have been arrogant and slow. Which also adds to my conflict
Market dominance is driven by the consumer and a bit out of our control. Given the Chinese already own, or have fingers in a lot of UK companies already, good luck with turning the tide. We already benefit from too much Chinese money for the government to start controlling how successful their car market is here, whether we like it or not.
I don't think there'll be the doom and gloom some are predicting. Consumers like choice and while cost is a factor, it's not always the deciding factor.
Are Porsche up to no good? I guess they're VAG owned so should expect it, given they're rotten to the core.
Joey Deacon said:
EVs are the equivalent of mobile phones and it is clear that most parts of European EVs are made in China anyway.
Why would you buy the more expensive European brands when the motors and batteries are all the same anyway?
And along the mobile phone theme, what proportion of the Apple iPhone is made in China? The Apple market share may have taken a dent from the likes of Samsung/HTC who offer arguably better products at cheaper prices but I can't see that brand going anywhere any time soon. Billions of people are choosing to pay more money for a phone with the same physical contents. A lot then to be said about brand identity, its appeal/image and the simplicity in way it works. something the Western vehicle brands can lever to stay in the market Why would you buy the more expensive European brands when the motors and batteries are all the same anyway?
China’s BYD closer to taking Tesla's electric car top spot https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67860232
Is this the one with the 0 to 60 time printed on the boot?
I think they need to employ a single European marketing bloke (or woman) to rename all their stuff and they'll be totally dominant.
The silly names (along with most of the other Chinese brands) just reminds me of early Japanese and Korean efforts.
Seems to take longer to get that bit right than it does to build decent cars.
If these come in and significantly undercut the likes of Kia/Hyundai and Tesla on salary sacrifice schemes I'm struggling to think why you'd rent the former.
I think they need to employ a single European marketing bloke (or woman) to rename all their stuff and they'll be totally dominant.
The silly names (along with most of the other Chinese brands) just reminds me of early Japanese and Korean efforts.
Seems to take longer to get that bit right than it does to build decent cars.
If these come in and significantly undercut the likes of Kia/Hyundai and Tesla on salary sacrifice schemes I'm struggling to think why you'd rent the former.
Silvanus said:
MG made a £54million profit in the UK last year (£4.2m the year before). Revenue of £1bilion, I'd say they are doing something right.
And their small SUV thing, god knows what it's called, was the best selling car one year wasn't it? A pretty big brag for such a new company.
Fermit said:
Silvanus said:
MG made a £54million profit in the UK last year (£4.2m the year before). Revenue of £1bilion, I'd say they are doing something right.
And their small SUV thing, god knows what it's called, was the best selling car one year wasn't it? A pretty big brag for such a new company.Silvanus said:
Fermit said:
Silvanus said:
MG made a £54million profit in the UK last year (£4.2m the year before). Revenue of £1bilion, I'd say they are doing something right.
And their small SUV thing, god knows what it's called, was the best selling car one year wasn't it? A pretty big brag for such a new company.S600BSB said:
Silvanus said:
Fermit said:
Silvanus said:
MG made a £54million profit in the UK last year (£4.2m the year before). Revenue of £1bilion, I'd say they are doing something right.
And their small SUV thing, god knows what it's called, was the best selling car one year wasn't it? A pretty big brag for such a new company.eldar said:
China’s BYD closer to taking Tesla's electric car top spot https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67860232
They have now overtaken Teslahttps://www.ft.com/content/716c9b0b-d8cd-491a-a91b...
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