VW to scale down production of evs
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anonymous said:
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That doesn't refute the figures I gave - it simply means that an awful lot of people that have an EV have one as a cheap company car and that was their motivation to get one, not that it was going to be a perfect match for where they live.Although most such folk probably went for Tesla's and aren't particularly worried about reliance on public charging, as they ha lve the great Tesla network.
Merry said:
Nomme de Plum said:
It's even more fun when you have teenage children each with their own car. Add in a fun car and an RV just for good measure.
I don't have the teenage children (yet) but I can relate to that given the motorhome/wifes/weekend/project car I have to all house. 
Wish said:
VW sold its sole to Skoda and Seat…. There is no place for VW now a days.
That Mk8 is a turd of a car. I rejected mine and it was sent back to the dealer.
I find Audis soulless. The VAG group has lost its way. Amd I’ve owned loads of new VW over the years.
There’s no soul to any of them. They’re just a very carefully measured stratified marketing proposition. That Mk8 is a turd of a car. I rejected mine and it was sent back to the dealer.
I find Audis soulless. The VAG group has lost its way. Amd I’ve owned loads of new VW over the years.
Choose life…
Sheepshanks said:
Sure, and for people whose lives are very organised it’ll be fine. But life isn’t always like that and it’s going to require a degree of planning that’s unnecessary with an ICE car.
anonymous said:
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You have subliminally ensured your tank has enough fuel. If you took no cognisance then you would run out.That's not the same as saying the current EV infrastructure is adequate or batteries have sufficient range although for most of the time they do.
It's 2023 so why obsess now. Come back and complain in 2030 if the infrastructure is still not adequate.
Unfortunately we have a dead government with no vision. I hope the next lot have a better pan.
From a technical standpoint i hope regen gets better with maybe the addition of some kind of KERS and that battery power density improves.
If was weight versus range I'd be quite happy with 300km.
anonymous said:
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Exactly so the light is the trigger for you to look out for fuel. Now just maybe fuel stations are bountiful where you live and operate 24/7 but even today the whole of the UK does not have that luxury. Other posters have confirmed this but you choose to ignore that constraint. It's real and exists. I can equate my ability to charge easily at home with your abundance of available fuel stations. I just pay much much less.
I'm not saying the situation is equal but I like many others have no such range issues as our usage profile has no need.
anonymous said:
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Range anxiety has never been an issue in my Taycan. It will be great when batteries offer a bit more but really obsessing about it in 2023 is just a bit sad. My heavily modified S1 Exige could suck though a tank in a bit over 100 miles and half that on a track. So what?
anonymous said:
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It's the harsh reality of life that early adopting is for people that can afford the premium that goes with it. It's just the way it is. Like computers mid 80s and mobiles. Did you carry one of those huge bricks?It does not remotely matter that they will not buy one now. It's unimportant. If i had a limited budget I wouldn't either. So what? The dates are set and they are post 2030 so really a decade away.
BTW you could have easily bought one with twice the range and now MGs are becoming available the price is even more competitive.
anonymous said:
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It is entirely your mistake no one else is responsible. It seems you were born of a generation that take everything for granted and accept no responsibility for self reliance. It will be unlikely we will ever have a meeting of mind because I come from a generation of OCD panning and self reliance.
You still haven't bothered to understand that there is a roll out over the next 15 years and you should never have bought an EV in the first place. You seem not to have the mindset or means to buy a suitable car and want to blame someone other than yourself.
Get over it and stick to an ICE for the time being. An EV works for many of us because we are quite content with a minor bit of planning on the odd occasion it is necessary.
BTW your opinion is irrelevant as the infrastructure is what it is as of today and the EVs are what they currently are.
If you run a successful business you would understand this.
Nomme de Plum said:
That's nonsense, even in an ICE you do a degree of planning unless you regularly top up your tank form a canister in your garage.
That is total garbage, and you know it anonymous said:
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I'm with you on this, the charging network is rubbish, too reliable and is putting people off getting EVs (even if they probably don't need it as much as they think they will).I don't have to use it much, but when I do, I spend a fair bit of time checking out the route and having backup chargers ready for when the first options have loads of people waiting, or are out of service etc.
It's one of the biggest drawbacks of EV ownership IMO.
Nomme de Plum said:
anonymous said:
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It is entirely your mistake no one else is responsible. It seems you were born of a generation that take everything for granted and accept no responsibility for self reliance. It will be unlikely we will ever have a meeting of mind because I come from a generation of OCD panning and self reliance.
You still haven't bothered to understand that there is a roll out over the next 15 years and you should never have bought an EV in the first place. You seem not to have the mindset or means to buy a suitable car and want to blame someone other than yourself.
Get over it and stick to an ICE for the time being. An EV works for many of us because we are quite content with a minor bit of planning on the odd occasion it is necessary.
BTW your opinion is irrelevant as the infrastructure is what it is as of today and the EVs are what they currently are.
If you run a successful business you would understand this.
A car with a range of 150 miles with a reliable network would be totally fine for ANY journey within the UK.
I don't understand how this is the fault of the EV user, most would have no idea what the network is like until they try it, and this will always be after they have purchased the car.
I have found the charging network to be the most disappointing part of EV ownership.
TheRainMaker said:
Nomme de Plum said:
That's nonsense, even in an ICE you do a degree of planning unless you regularly top up your tank form a canister in your garage.
That is total garbage, and you know it anonymous said:
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I'm with you on this, the charging network is rubbish, too reliable and is putting people off getting EVs (even if they probably don't need it as much as they think they will).I don't have to use it much, but when I do, I spend a fair bit of time checking out the route and having backup chargers ready for when the first options have loads of people waiting, or are out of service etc.
It's one of the biggest drawbacks of EV ownership IMO.
I'd argue that the biggest hurdle is initial cost although maybe the Chinese imports may help address this.
I am with you to the extent that the government has largely left the roll out of charging with the Market which IMO is a huge mistake.
Anyone who has range anxiety should currently not be buying an EV.
I actually served fuel back in the 60s and people regularly queued for 10 minutes sometimes more. Depending on the day we shut at 9 or 10pm and reopened at 7am. With a few exceptions people were more tolerant and car ownership less than 25% of the numbers today. People did plan back then because we had too and we carried spare fuel in a canister.
We are at the very early stages of the change to EV. We buy 1.5M new cars per year and scrap approximately 1.4M cars per year. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out it will take at least 15 years post 2030/35 to have 100%EV ownership, so 2045/2050.
TheRainMaker said:
Total waffle.
A car with a range of 150 miles with a reliable network would be totally fine for ANY journey within the UK.
I don't understand how this is the fault of the EV user, most would have no idea what the network is like until they try it, and this will always be after they have purchased the car.
I have found the charging network to be the most disappointing part of EV ownership.
When we rolled out mobile phones the infrastructure was well short of adequate back in the early 90s. Did it work for you back then? We just had to accept that coverage would take time.A car with a range of 150 miles with a reliable network would be totally fine for ANY journey within the UK.
I don't understand how this is the fault of the EV user, most would have no idea what the network is like until they try it, and this will always be after they have purchased the car.
I have found the charging network to be the most disappointing part of EV ownership.
You have an unrealistic expectation which does not align the general plan.
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