iPace-enomics

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JonnyVTEC

3,018 posts

178 months

Sunday 1st October 2023
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It’s only 750kg towing rating unfortunately

isleofthorns

500 posts

173 months

Sunday 1st October 2023
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FeelingLucky said:
I've long fancied an iPace but the charging speed and woeful range have put me off.
I get 270-280 miles off a full charge... I think that's pretty decent. Better than the model 3 we had.

recently did a 240m round trip and came back with 50m left

TheDeuce

22,875 posts

69 months

Sunday 1st October 2023
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JonnyVTEC said:
It’s only 750kg towing rating unfortunately
That seems oddly low for a car that's so strong as a utility vehicle in all other areas

For comparison my new i4 is 1600kg rated.

Poor show from the Jag!

S600BSB

5,723 posts

109 months

Sunday 1st October 2023
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isleofthorns said:
I get 270-280 miles off a full charge... I think that's pretty decent. Better than the model 3 we had.

recently did a 240m round trip and came back with 50m left
That’s really impressive range. Never got more than 250ish from mine.

TheDeuce

22,875 posts

69 months

Sunday 1st October 2023
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S600BSB said:
isleofthorns said:
I get 270-280 miles off a full charge... I think that's pretty decent. Better than the model 3 we had.

recently did a 240m round trip and came back with 50m left
That’s really impressive range. Never got more than 250ish from mine.
Same. Often lucky to get 200 if I drove it without any particular thought to economy.

JonnyVTEC

3,018 posts

178 months

Sunday 1st October 2023
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TheDeuce said:
That seems oddly low for a car that's so strong as a utility vehicle in all other areas

For comparison my new i4 is 1600kg rated.

Poor show from the Jag!
Just the body structure and early attempt at what people needed ie. Not the charging speeds or network to allow
Proper shed dragging for people. All aluminium body for a car 2200kg has compromised in places. The i4 has a significantly longer overhang so you can offer more robust attachment to the body and still have sufficient structure to absorb energy.

Jag was out 5 years ahead of i4. Poor show BMW.

TheDeuce

22,875 posts

69 months

Sunday 1st October 2023
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JonnyVTEC said:
TheDeuce said:
That seems oddly low for a car that's so strong as a utility vehicle in all other areas

For comparison my new i4 is 1600kg rated.

Poor show from the Jag!
Just the body structure and early attempt at what people needed ie. Not the charging speeds or network to allow
Proper shed dragging for people. All aluminium body for a car 2200kg has compromised in places. The i4 has a significantly longer overhang so you can offer more robust attachment to the body and still have sufficient structure to absorb energy.

Jag was out 5 years ahead of i4. Poor show BMW.
That's a fair perspective. And I do agree that the Jag designers did a simply awesome job of making an EV be the best of what EV can be. They gave it a stubby bonnet, wheels pushed into each corner, flat floor and stupidly fun handling for an SUV.

Such a shame they then stalled. The iPace was a fantastic start and could have been the starting point for Jag 'owning' European EV design.

I miss mine very much - despite having a faster and arguably 'better' i4.

WhiskyDisco

818 posts

77 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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My Mondeo 1.5 TDCI Econetic is only rathed to tow maxium 400kg braked/unbraked. My braked trailer tent is 650kg and it tows fine.

I belive that it's due to the homologation required to be classed as "eco". Very low mpg and zero tax, but you can't legally tow more than 400kg.

bad company

19,006 posts

269 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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TheDeuce said:
Same. Often lucky to get 200 if I drove it without any particular thought to economy.
How does that compare to the M50?

TheDeuce

22,875 posts

69 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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bad company said:
TheDeuce said:
Same. Often lucky to get 200 if I drove it without any particular thought to economy.
How does that compare to the M50?
M50 definitely better, I get a very safe 200 miles even if driven at 70-80mph to from London etc.

I assume because the M50 punches through the air better, and in general I suspect BMW have managed to design a more efficient EV than Jag because... Well, it's jag.

I'd still have the iPace back in a heartbeat though smile

bad company

19,006 posts

269 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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TheDeuce said:
bad company said:
TheDeuce said:
Same. Often lucky to get 200 if I drove it without any particular thought to economy.
How does that compare to the M50?
M50 definitely better, I get a very safe 200 miles even if driven at 70-80mph to from London etc.

I assume because the M50 punches through the air better, and in general I suspect BMW have managed to design a more efficient EV than Jag because... Well, it's jag.

I'd still have the iPace back in a heartbeat though smile
Yeah I like the iPace and there’s some cracking deals available now. I’m still put off by the range & charging speed though.

TheDeuce

22,875 posts

69 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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bad company said:
TheDeuce said:
bad company said:
TheDeuce said:
Same. Often lucky to get 200 if I drove it without any particular thought to economy.
How does that compare to the M50?
M50 definitely better, I get a very safe 200 miles even if driven at 70-80mph to from London etc.

I assume because the M50 punches through the air better, and in general I suspect BMW have managed to design a more efficient EV than Jag because... Well, it's jag.

I'd still have the iPace back in a heartbeat though smile
Yeah I like the iPace and there’s some cracking deals available now. I’m still put off by the range & charging speed though.
If the range is enough for you for the majority of the time... it's 'enough'.

Charging speed not really a factor assuming you can charge at home. If you do have to charge publicly then a 30 minute charge in a faster charging RV might be more like 40-45 mins. I never used a public charger for more than an hour in three years of driving one.

hth

MarkM2

155 posts

192 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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TheDeuce said:
If the range is enough for you for the majority of the time... it's 'enough'.

Charging speed not really a factor assuming you can charge at home. If you do have to charge publicly then a 30 minute charge in a faster charging RV might be more like 40-45 mins. I never used a public charger for more than an hour in three years of driving one.

hth
This. If it fits your needs, i.e. you're not doing 250 miles a day or something, and can charge at home 7kW or at work the vast majority of the time - the iPace is, despite its age and ageing tech, still RIGHT up there as a solid choice. Top mine up at work on a Monday and a Friday, maybe the odd tipple at home to keep Octopus happy, then it's literally counting on two hands the number of public charges I need per year.

I like this car SO much, because it's a good drivers car (REALLY good considering size and weight!), and an EV second. Hell, it doesn't even tell you what your battery %age is whilst driving it, it's almost like it's hanging onto a petrol gauge lol.

TheDeuce

22,875 posts

69 months

Monday 2nd October 2023
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MarkM2 said:
TheDeuce said:
If the range is enough for you for the majority of the time... it's 'enough'.

Charging speed not really a factor assuming you can charge at home. If you do have to charge publicly then a 30 minute charge in a faster charging RV might be more like 40-45 mins. I never used a public charger for more than an hour in three years of driving one.

hth
This. If it fits your needs, i.e. you're not doing 250 miles a day or something, and can charge at home 7kW or at work the vast majority of the time - the iPace is, despite its age and ageing tech, still RIGHT up there as a solid choice. Top mine up at work on a Monday and a Friday, maybe the odd tipple at home to keep Octopus happy, then it's literally counting on two hands the number of public charges I need per year.

I like this car SO much, because it's a good drivers car (REALLY good considering size and weight!), and an EV second. Hell, it doesn't even tell you what your battery %age is whilst driving it, it's almost like it's hanging onto a petrol gauge lol.
Easily the best handling, most driver focused SUV EV. In fact... they drive like a hot hatch, which is a weird thing to say in any SUV but it is what it is.. they're remarkable cars.

The whole EV movement is so hung up on range and charging times that it feels like the iPace is being unfairly forgotten by the motoring press. If viewed as a battery pack and charger it's not the best. But if viewed as A CAR, it's sublime, and imo remains unbeaten in it's class.

Liam_92

Original Poster:

23 posts

50 months

Tuesday 3rd October 2023
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OP Update.

Now the very, very happy owner of a iPace SE. Collected yesterday evening. Couldn't be more impressed with the car or sales experience at Arnold Clark.

Bonus was the switchover of insurance from the Disco Sport to the iPace was a mere £31 on a Multi-Car Policy. I was braced for significantly worse with six months to run on this year's policy.

Home Charger install to be managed by Bumblebee EV via an offer through Arnold Clark, so if anyone has any experience I'm all ears.

If I had one criticism, and it isn't really a criticism, it does seem to steam up the front window quite a bit, but perhaps that says more about my heart/perspiration rate than any underlying issue. Its glorious.

dmsims

6,618 posts

270 months

Tuesday 3rd October 2023
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Liam_92 said:
OP Update.
If I had one criticism, and it isn't really a criticism, it does seem to steam up the front window quite a bit, but perhaps that says more about my heart/perspiration rate than any underlying issue. Its glorious.
Could be the known issue with leaky windscreen

TheDeuce

22,875 posts

69 months

Tuesday 3rd October 2023
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dmsims said:
Liam_92 said:
OP Update.
If I had one criticism, and it isn't really a criticism, it does seem to steam up the front window quite a bit, but perhaps that says more about my heart/perspiration rate than any underlying issue. Its glorious.
Could be the known issue with leaky windscreen
Definitely something to check out asap as that can be very expensive to repair.

First, check if the car has had a new windscreen fitted - any Jag dealer should able to tell - if it's not obvious by looking at the etching that it's been replaced.

Also make sure AC is on, not to cool the car but to dry the air and remove any sitting water which could be present.

Liam_92

Original Poster:

23 posts

50 months

Tuesday 3rd October 2023
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TheDeuce said:
Definitely something to check out asap as that can be very expensive to repair.

First, check if the car has had a new windscreen fitted - any Jag dealer should able to tell - if it's not obvious by looking at the etching that it's been replaced.

Also make sure AC is on, not to cool the car but to dry the air and remove any sitting water which could be present.
As soon as I put the aircon on it cleared up almost immediately, it did feel quite humid in the car (before putting the aircon on) which may have contributed.

However, will check the windscreen detail, thanks for the tip!

TheDeuce

22,875 posts

69 months

Tuesday 3rd October 2023
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Liam_92 said:
TheDeuce said:
Definitely something to check out asap as that can be very expensive to repair.

First, check if the car has had a new windscreen fitted - any Jag dealer should able to tell - if it's not obvious by looking at the etching that it's been replaced.

Also make sure AC is on, not to cool the car but to dry the air and remove any sitting water which could be present.
As soon as I put the aircon on it cleared up almost immediately, it did feel quite humid in the car (before putting the aircon on) which may have contributed.

However, will check the windscreen detail, thanks for the tip!
The AC will dry the air extremely quickly - but there remains a question as to why there was moisture in the car to begin with. It could be from various sources including cleaning the interior ahead of sale, but it really is very important to be be confident it's not a poorly sealed windscreen.

A shame to have a hassle/question mark over what should be a happy purchase, and there's a good chance it's nothing to worry about of course. Hope so!


Liam_92

Original Poster:

23 posts

50 months

Thursday 26th October 2023
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Thought I would take a moment to update this.

First off, car is immense. It is no effortlessly driveable, I'm not sure of the iPace is just excellent or it is more indicative of EV's in general, but I am really enjoying the driving experience.

The thing I find almost the most odd is that the car suggests a higher range in Dynamic than in Comfort (and equal that of Eco), so... do folk just drive it in Dynamic? Surely that is nonsense, the throttle sensitivity in Dynamic is incredible, it can't be the most efficient way of getting about.

Now, this windscreen. I've read in to this and it seems the common check is to push your fingers from the inside to see if there is any movement in the screen; there isn't any that I can feel.

I am religiously checking the interior for any dampness and it's all okay in that regard. However, it does just seem to mist up in normal driving, but clears up instantly when the AC is turned on. We've tended to just leave it on now, and no issues at all, not sure if that is the normal user experience or not.

As for the Charger install. Well, i won't go as far as to say avoid the Arnold Clark & Bumblebee EV Charger offer however, there is clearly a bit of a disconnect between those two organisations and neither seems particularly rushed to do.. well, anything, frankly.

Bumblebee have until a week today to meet their 14 Day obligation, so we'll see, but I am not hopeful.