Why are used Audi e-tron so cheap?
Discussion
dmsims said:
Seriously?
Model 3
Ipace
Kona
ID3/Cupra Born
Niro
and many others
Seriously? Only the iPace is anywhere near comparable. Would anyone considering an ETron be comparing it to most of those? Something actually comparable like an EQC isn’t that much better, I think that’s the point.Model 3
Ipace
Kona
ID3/Cupra Born
Niro
and many others
qasnaq said:
That is my concern, however not sure there are other cars at that price that would fare better?
The 50 is a bit rubbish as far as range goes but it’s well documented now so there’s really no excuse to get caught out by the lack of range. If you need more, there’s the 55 or get an Enyaq etc. However if you can live with it, it represents good value with the current Audi finance offer.
You clearly dislike SUV EVs but if you accept that some people want/need an SUV size car and don’t want ICE, then you can make reasoned and balanced points on what’s available rather than just slagging off stuff you don’t like.
If you actually read what the OP wrote - this is all totally irrelant guff
duff said:
Seriously? Only the iPace is anywhere near comparable. Would anyone considering an ETron be comparing it to most of those? Something actually comparable like an EQC isn’t that much better, I think that’s the point.
The 50 is a bit rubbish as far as range goes but it’s well documented now so there’s really no excuse to get caught out by the lack of range. If you need more, there’s the 55 or get an Enyaq etc. However if you can live with it, it represents good value with the current Audi finance offer.
You clearly dislike SUV EVs but if you accept that some people want/need an SUV size car and don’t want ICE, then you can make reasoned and balanced points on what’s available rather than just slagging off stuff you don’t like.
The 50 is a bit rubbish as far as range goes but it’s well documented now so there’s really no excuse to get caught out by the lack of range. If you need more, there’s the 55 or get an Enyaq etc. However if you can live with it, it represents good value with the current Audi finance offer.
You clearly dislike SUV EVs but if you accept that some people want/need an SUV size car and don’t want ICE, then you can make reasoned and balanced points on what’s available rather than just slagging off stuff you don’t like.
qasnaq said:
That is my concern, however not sure there are other cars at that price that would fare better?
duff said:
Seriously? Only the iPace is anywhere near comparable.
This is a completely pointless argument.The original statement referred to 'other cars at that price'. That could be read as 'other comparable cars at that price (i.e. large premium SUVs)' or merely 'other cars valued in the low £20ks', of any size and class.
With the first interpretation, the statement is broadly true, other large luxury SUVs for that money tend to be similarly inefficient. (To some extent this is because those (Tesla) which have better efficiency and hence range are valued higher on the used market.)
With the second interpretation, the statement is obviously false, as you can buy a 64 kWh Kia e-Niro for £17k that will go much further on a charge, likely 200 miles.
Therefore people are arguing about two different interpretations of the statement, which is pointless. (Arguing about which interpretation is 'correct' would be equally pointless, both are plausible).
Ultimately the e-Tron is a large premium SUV which isn't very efficient, and is valued accordingly on the used market. And the corollary of that fact is, that if efficiency & range aren't that important to you for what you need it for, then it's a great buy.
OutInTheShed said:
samoht said:
This is a completely pointless argument.
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Ultimately the e-Tron is a large premium SUV....
Ultimately it's a large lump with a rep-mobile badge....
Ultimately the e-Tron is a large premium SUV....
Are you saying Audi is no longer a premium brand?? I'm pretty sure it is! It's literally a brand that attracts a premium over cars from the same group. What's your definition of a premium brand...?
ZesPak said:
The use of rep-mobile has always been for "premium" brands I'd say?
When someone uses "rep-mobile" I usually think of more entry level premium brand cars, like a 3-series or Audi A4, maybe a VW Passat at a stretch?
For a decade or so every rep seemed to have a Vectra, maybe a Passat... When someone uses "rep-mobile" I usually think of more entry level premium brand cars, like a 3-series or Audi A4, maybe a VW Passat at a stretch?
But yes I'd generally agree, they get a rep spec/poverty spec car with a half decent badge.
An e-tron SUV is very much at the other end of the range. Far too nice for the nylon suit brigade
Mikebentley said:
My MG4 Trophy 64 kw was returning a range of 250 to 280 miles during the summer. Last few weeks been seeing 160 to 180 miles in cold and wet weather. That’s with headlights, wipers and heating on so still covering what I need. 70/30 split of motorway/urban use daily. Thanks to this place I specifically looked at 280 + range to mitigate winter range drop.
Keep an eye on these threads though as a cheap pcp family EV could replace the wife’s Defender and pop the £60k back in the bank.
Good, honest update there. Interesting to see the significant drop in range in the cold weather. Glad to see that you’re using the heating as intended and not sitting miserable in a cold car to save miles. Keep an eye on these threads though as a cheap pcp family EV could replace the wife’s Defender and pop the £60k back in the bank.
spaceship said:
Good, honest update there. Interesting to see the significant drop in range in the cold weather. Glad to see that you’re using the heating as intended and not sitting miserable in a cold car to save miles.
Other than a few cases of drivers running dangerously low on range... I think the idea of people driving around without heating etc are a bit of a myth.I don't recall any driver I've spoken to on these boards or irl that actually does this.
TheDeuce said:
ZesPak said:
The use of rep-mobile has always been for "premium" brands I'd say?
When someone uses "rep-mobile" I usually think of more entry level premium brand cars, like a 3-series or Audi A4, maybe a VW Passat at a stretch?
For a decade or so every rep seemed to have a Vectra, maybe a Passat... When someone uses "rep-mobile" I usually think of more entry level premium brand cars, like a 3-series or Audi A4, maybe a VW Passat at a stretch?
But yes I'd generally agree, they get a rep spec/poverty spec car with a half decent badge.
An e-tron SUV is very much at the other end of the range. Far too nice for the nylon suit brigade
My company cars are all Tesla/Jag/Merc/Ausi etc EVs
So no such thing as a premium brand either, as they all do EVs & reps drive them!
TheDeuce said:
For a decade or so every rep seemed to have a Vectra, maybe a Passat...
But yes I'd generally agree, they get a rep spec/poverty spec car with a half decent badge.
An e-tron SUV is very much at the other end of the range. Far too nice for the nylon suit brigade
Audi are an IC brand who did their best stuff last century.But yes I'd generally agree, they get a rep spec/poverty spec car with a half decent badge.
An e-tron SUV is very much at the other end of the range. Far too nice for the nylon suit brigade
Buying an EV from them is like buying a mobile phone from Alcatel....
OutInTheShed said:
Audi are an IC brand who did their best stuff last century.
Buying an EV from them is like buying a mobile phone from Alcatel....
this is my worry with many EVs, the manufacturers have little experience with them and even less miles travelled, how will they hold up long term? To me most buyers of these are alpha testers.Buying an EV from them is like buying a mobile phone from Alcatel....
Elon maybe an asshat but the fleet has driven over 100 billion miles, thats an awful lot of R&D to get the battery life etc. correct.
https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/16583016385142988...
Dave Hedgehog said:
this is my worry with many EVs, the manufacturers have little experience with them and even less miles travelled, how will they hold up long term? To me most buyers of these are alpha testers.
Elon maybe an asshat but the fleet has driven over 100 billion miles, thats an awful lot of R&D to get the battery life etc. correct.
https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/16583016385142988...
Traditional manufacturers have less experience with EVs.... Newcomer EV makers have less experience building cars. You pays your money...Elon maybe an asshat but the fleet has driven over 100 billion miles, thats an awful lot of R&D to get the battery life etc. correct.
https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/16583016385142988...
(I quite like Teslas. Didn't buy one though).
Dave Hedgehog said:
OutInTheShed said:
Audi are an IC brand who did their best stuff last century.
Buying an EV from them is like buying a mobile phone from Alcatel....
this is my worry with many EVs, the manufacturers have little experience with them and even less miles travelled, how will they hold up long term? To me most buyers of these are alpha testers.Buying an EV from them is like buying a mobile phone from Alcatel....
Elon maybe an asshat but the fleet has driven over 100 billion miles, thats an awful lot of R&D to get the battery life etc. correct.
https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/16583016385142988...
I don't personally like Audi/VW efforts so far tbh, but there's no indication their battery tech is poor.
spaceship said:
Mikebentley said:
My MG4 Trophy 64 kw was returning a range of 250 to 280 miles during the summer. Last few weeks been seeing 160 to 180 miles in cold and wet weather. That’s with headlights, wipers and heating on so still covering what I need. 70/30 split of motorway/urban use daily. Thanks to this place I specifically looked at 280 + range to mitigate winter range drop.
Keep an eye on these threads though as a cheap pcp family EV could replace the wife’s Defender and pop the £60k back in the bank.
Good, honest update there. Interesting to see the significant drop in range in the cold weather. Glad to see that you’re using the heating as intended and not sitting miserable in a cold car to save miles. Keep an eye on these threads though as a cheap pcp family EV could replace the wife’s Defender and pop the £60k back in the bank.
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