Best £15k used EV?

[Sheepshanks]

C G said:

There are some 18 month old e-C4s on Auto trader for under £17k which seems very good value.

My YouTube research suggests they have less boot space than the e-2008.

Have you sat in an e-2008? Need to make sure you (and anyone else who will drive it) can get a driving position where you can see the instruments - the steering wheel is small and low.

[C G]

samoht said:

Point taken on the 2008/C4, I guess the Pug perhaps sits you a fraction more upright and thus leaves more length in the boot, either that or the 'loading line' is assumed to be higher perhaps.

C G said:

I can't find any under £19.5k near me and those examples are three years old, which admittedly is still very new. Have to work out whether the real world range is that much better to warranty the extra spend.

A 3yo Kia comes with 4 years of manufacturer warranty, whereas a 1yo Peugeot comes with 2 years. So in terms of remaining warranty, the Kia could be considered 'newer'.

My understanding is the range gap is a double whammy, as the Niro has a bigger battery (64 vs 50 kWh) and a bit better efficiency at motorway speeds compared to the Stellantis cars.

Definitely worth a sit in to see what you think IMO.

(My wife has vetoed Kia/Hyundai, so looking towards the e-C4 now)

Good point on the warranty!

I think it's the fact that the Kia looks dated vs. the other cars that I'm struggling to get past.

I think a visit to a car supermarket with them side by side is what I need.

[Sheepshanks]

C G said:

I think it's the fact that the Kia looks dated vs. the other cars that I'm struggling to get past.

I agree - it looks really old compared to the newer Niro.

[Liam_92]

Something of a thread revival but with the used EV market a few months more matured I find myself increasingly keeping an eye on this.

I do two/three 200 mile round trips a week (100 miles door to door, 90 miles of which is Motorway/Dual Carriageway), all year round, circa 20k a year last year. Currently in a 2.0 '14 plate Insignia which, in fairness to it, does the job as well as I could ask for but is looking leggy now and whilst I'm not in a rush to change, I am considering it.

Currently have another EV (iPace) so already an IOG customer and have a Home Charger installed so the pain of migrating across is minimal.

Question is, would a facelift 2021 64kWh Kona do the business?

'21 plated facelift models with circa 30-40k are increasingly being marketed between £14-£15K and with a WLTP of 300 (up from 279 on the pre facelift) I am wondering if 200 is feasible.

Charging on the return leg is possible but would rather avoid (and no workplace charging at present) and the only natural step up from here would be a M3LR in terms of range?

Tend to cruise at 70, up to 75 as and when. Aware they aren't the biggest but not really a concern, just needs to plod up and down the motorway with as minimal fuss as possible.

[Luke.]

Why not just keep the I-Pace?

[Fastlane]

Liam_92 said:

Something of a thread revival but with the used EV market a few months more matured I find myself increasingly keeping an eye on this.

I do two/three 200 mile round trips a week (100 miles door to door, 90 miles of which is Motorway/Dual Carriageway), all year round, circa 20k a year last year. Currently in a 2.0 '14 plate Insignia which, in fairness to it, does the job as well as I could ask for but is looking leggy now and whilst I'm not in a rush to change, I am considering it.

Currently have another EV (iPace) so already an IOG customer and have a Home Charger installed so the pain of migrating across is minimal.

Question is, would a facelift 2021 64kWh Kona do the business?

'21 plated facelift models with circa 30-40k are increasingly being marketed between £14-£15K and with a WLTP of 300 (up from 279 on the pre facelift) I am wondering if 200 is feasible.

Charging on the return leg is possible but would rather avoid (and no workplace charging at present) and the only natural step up from here would be a M3LR in terms of range?

Tend to cruise at 70, up to 75 as and when. Aware they aren't the biggest but not really a concern, just needs to plod up and down the motorway with as minimal fuss as possible.

Our pre facelift Kona would do an easy 220 in Winter and 280 in the Summer.

So I reckon the face-lift will easily do 200 miles all year round even at 70-75.

[Liam_92]

Luke. said:

Why not just keep the I-Pace?

The iPace is the family car (school runs, etc), it's going nowhere but isn't my work wagon (unfortunately!).

[bennno]

Look for a cheap ionic 5, much better car than kona EV

[SWoll]

bennno said:

Look for a cheap ionic 5, much better car than kona EV

£21-22k for the cheapest 73kWh cars.

[bennno]

SWoll said:

bennno said:

Look for a cheap ionic 5, much better car than kona EV

£21-22k for the cheapest 73kWh cars.

A 58kw does the range he is asking for, I think you’d get one for £20k

[Sheepshanks]

bennno said:

Look for a cheap ionic 5, much better car than kona EV

Ionic 5 is a size bigger. Neighbour has one and it looks huge - I think because it's about the same length and width as Q5. but lower.

[SWoll]

bennno said:

SWoll said:

bennno said:

Look for a cheap ionic 5, much better car than kona EV

£21-22k for the cheapest 73kWh cars.

A 58kw does the range he is asking for, I think you’d get one for £20k

You aren't getting 200 miles + safety buffer all year round at motorway speeds in a 58kWh Ioniq 5, and that £20k is still a lot more than the £14-15k being discussed?

[bennno]

SWoll said:

bennno said:

SWoll said:

bennno said:

Look for a cheap ionic 5, much better car than kona EV

£21-22k for the cheapest 73kWh cars.

A 58kw does the range he is asking for, I think you’d get one for £20k

You aren't getting 200 miles + safety buffer all year round at motorway speeds in a 58kWh Ioniq 5, and that £20k is still a lot more than the £14-15k being discussed?

Perhaps not all year round but it’ll charge at up to 175kwh and it’s a great motorway car and very comfortable.

[SWoll]

bennno said:

Perhaps not all year round but it’ll charge at up to 175kwh and it’s a great motorway car and very comfortable.

Stopping 2/3 times week to charge in the middle of winter isn't hugely appealing though I would imagine? Would need to be the bigger battery car or a Model 3 LR for me with that kind of usage.

[Liam_92]

SWoll said:

Stopping 2/3 times week to charge in the middle of winter isn't hugely appealing though I would imagine? Would need to be the bigger battery car or a Model 3 LR for me with that kind of usage.

Ideally this is what I'd like to avoid, though any charge en route would likely be a splash & dash, only needing a few kWh top-up but ideally avoided

M3LR is the other obvious choice, but at a different price point but would negate the range concern entirely.

[bernie_eccle]

Liam_92 said:

The iPace is the family car (school runs, etc), it's going nowhere but isn't my work wagon (unfortunately!).

Sounds like you already have the perfect car for the job. 600 miles a week is a lot and I would want to do it the comfort of the jag. Could you not get a kona or a Niro as the run-around. Perhaps you don't want to put the miles on the jag?

[Liam_92]

bernie_eccle said:

Sounds like you already have the perfect car for the job. 600 miles a week is a lot and I would want to do it the comfort of the jag. Could you not get a kona or a Niro as the run-around. Perhaps you don't want to put the miles on the jag?

Your final point is exactly it; we've put on circa 12k in the last year but switching it over to my commuter would add a fair chunk to that.

Also not convinced it would have the range in the winter. I love the Jag, it's incredible and always an occasion to get in to, but would eat through the remaining battery warranty double quick time of I used it as my daily.

[Sheepshanks]

Liam_92 said:

Question is, would a facelift 2021 64kWh Kona do the business?

What changed with the 21 facelift?

I’m bemused that there still seem to be very recently registered old shape Konas for sale.

[LowTread]

Sheepshanks said:

Liam_92 said:

Question is, would a facelift 2021 64kWh Kona do the business?

What changed with the 21 facelift?

I’m bemused that there still seem to be very recently registered old shape Konas for sale.

Body coloured wheel arches.
Different front end without a grille

Crucially (if you're into biking) it has a small towing capacity so you can add a towbar legally for a bike rack

Spec changed too.

Premium and Premium SE levels became Premium and Ultimate trim. I think there's very little difference between the old Premium SE and new Ultimate trims. Both very well equipped.

They're good fun. I tried one before ultimately going for a Model 3 Long Range. They're a bit of a warm/hot hatch.

For me, the £17k-£18k asking price on those for a lightly used 2021 model 64kWh Ultimate spec was too close to what i could get a slightly older and slightly more used Tesla with over twice the power and similar efficiency and range.

Warranty was a consideration, but the Model 3 Long Range has 8 yrs and 120k miles on the battery and motors.

Partly my reasoning for Tesla over Kona was depreciation. At the end of the day the Kona is a 200bhp small SUV with front wheel drive. It's not got much to differentiate it to keep the values up. It's just like any other EV. The Tesla on the other hand has a better, lower, more sport driving position, 4WD, over 400bhp and huge grin factor. It felt night and day compared to the Kona.

Edited by LowTread on Wednesday 5th June 09:09

[Alickadoo]

LowTread said:

Edited quote.

Partly my reasoning for Tesla over Kona was depreciation. At the end of the day the Kona is a 200bhp small SUV with front wheel drive. It's not got much to differentiate it to keep the values up. It's just like any other EV. The Tesla on the other hand has a better, lower, more sport driving position, 4WD, over 400bhp and huge grin factor. It felt night and day compared to the Kona.

Edited by LowTread on Wednesday 5th June 09:09

Yeah, but, are you typical of the Great British motoring public?