Lexus UX 300e

[zayn]

anyone seen these , seem to be avaliable in Europe

Lexus have missed out on a 64kw battery and still using chademo

https://www.lexus.eu/car-models/ux-300e/

[aestetix1]

How big is the battery? It's not even available in the UK.

[zayn]

54.3kwh
WLTP : 186 miles

https://forms.lexus.co.uk/EBrochures/Lexus_UXe_e-b...

aestetix1 said:

How big is the battery? It's not even available in the UK.

[aestetix1]

zayn said:

Interesting, it's not on the web site you linked to yet. I mean it is but when you go to the configurator it isn't there to select.

Could potentially be a very nice car, but as ever over-priced and of little interest to many people.

[zayn]

first UK review is up, must be press cars available now

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/car-reviews/lexus/ux/u...

[gangzoom]

zayn said:

first UK review is up, must be press cars available now

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/car-reviews/lexus/ux/u...

Its good to see Lexus finally getting on board with EVs. Interms of reliability and build confidence our Lexus is masterpiece compared to our Tesla which feels like it was built as a 6th form D&T project.

Lexus needs to get more realistic with pricing though, our top spec IS300H was £34k with discounts and the UX is suppose to be a cheaper car but this electric version in top spec is £50k!!!

We would be very happy to swap our IS300H for a IS-E as long as there is price parity.

[SWoll]

gangzoom said:

Its good to see Lexus finally getting on board with EVs. Interms of reliability and build confidence our Lexus is masterpiece compared to our Tesla which feels like it was built as a 6th form D&T project.

Lexus needs to get more realistic with pricing though, our top spec IS300H was £34k with discounts and the UX is suppose to be a cheaper car but this electric version in top spec is £50k!!!

We would be very happy to swap our IS300H for a IS-E as long as there is price parity.

The Volve XC40 Recharge is £50k+ so on the surface pricing doesn't seem that ridiculous in comparison.

Then you notice the Lexus only has 200hp, Chademo charging a 50Kw battery (yet still weighs 2.3 tonnes) and 150 miles of usable range and wonder who is going to buy this in the UK?

For a company who led the way with hybrid vehicles it's a pretty pathetic attempt for 2020?

[skinnyman]

Bringing this thread back from the dead as I'm considering one of these via my employer. I've seen various reviews and I realise that the battery is small and the charging is outdated/slow, but this wouldn't be the main car within the family, so range/charging not really an issue as I can't see it ever being charged away from the house. The rather poor infotainment system does concern me though. Oddly enough its main draw is from a cost/value perspective, allow me to explain.

The following cars are the following costs per month via my employer scheme:

Honda E £400
E208 £365
Mini Cooper 2 £290
iD3 £375
E-Up £300
UX300e £300

As you can see, from a value perspective its a £42k car that costs the same as a £22k E-Up. Over 3yrs the cost is around 26% of the purchase price, and that includes insurance/servicing/tyres/repairs etc.

Anyone actually own one of these things?

[steve1968]

I’ve had a golf e for almost 2.5 years through work so am now looking for a change later this year so I have a good idea of what to expect from an ev .

Had the top of the range Lexus on weekend test last weekend and am sorry to tell you I definitely won’t be ordering one.
The range was much worse than they would have you believe.
Picked up with 186 miles range and after 30 miles it had dropped to 122 miles . Charged over night for 120 mile round trip the next day, morning showed 165 miles range , after 60 miles it had 80 miles left ! At 105 it was down to zero and just managed to get home to change to diesel car to drop friend off and complete journey, very disappointed and I was driving very sensibly. If you are still interested then please ask for extended test drive.
I also found the infotainment etc very difficult to navigate, that said I am not the best with these things .

Today I have tested the id3 , this was ok and the range appeared to be quite true to the car’s prediction.

Looking at Polestar 2 next .

I honestly would not recommend the Lexus, sorry.

[TheDeuce]

This thread has encouraged me to google this car...

My god it's out of date. The charging system, the entertainment... When did Lexus lose the plot!? I don't understand what's going on, they have access to all of Toyota's technology, why is this car so crappy

Anyway, no - I don't think it's worth the money.

[SWoll]

https://www.whatcar.com/lexus/ux300e/hatchback/rev...

2 out of 5, and a quick read would suggest that's generous. Poor range, practiclity and infotainment combined with dreadful charging speeds and flexibility.

Looks at least 5 years out of date. You really have to wonder what the Japanese manufacturers are up to with BEV having had such a head start with hybrids.

[off_again]

It does have the recently updated Lexus infotainment system though - got rid of that god awful touch pad thing and replaced it with something reasonable and actually quite nice. So there's that....

[dapprman]

The problem with it is they have taken a hybrid and shoe horned in a larger battery to bring an EV out and it suffers as a result. I tried the regular model and it has the traditional Lexus extremely high build quality and the ent/nav system you do get used to quickly, but up to that point can feel fiddly (and the latest version is touch screen, much of the problem was the track pad), but at the same time it was a hatchback sized min-SUV with a small boot. Speaking to Lexus techs they reckon that anything over ~60mph will hammer the battery life.

Probably got a year or two before a true Lexus EV appears - the corporation has their first true model coming out in the US this year under it's Subaru brand.

[JonChalk]

TheDeuce said:

This thread has encouraged me to google this car...

My god it's out of date. The charging system, the entertainment... When did Lexus lose the plot!? I don't understand what's going on, they have access to all of Toyota's technology, why is this car so crappy

Anyway, no - I don't think it's worth the money.

It's about par for Toyota "technology" IMHO - they've been left so far behind by sitting on theirs hands doing nothing for the past 10 years that it's going to take a miracle for them to get back up to speed.

Given Toyota's lead on hybrids, Nissan's lead with the Leaf and Honda's quirky Honda e, all three look sad and behind the times right now.

The Ariya and Toyota b5h79jfgjhfruf (or whatever it's called) both look like sub-par BEV SUV clones of Korean/European/Chinese current models and aren't even out yet, plus what are Honda doing?

The Lexus 300e just appears to be a symptom of Japanese auto industry hubris and arrogance.

[TheDeuce]

JonChalk said:

TheDeuce said:

This thread has encouraged me to google this car...

My god it's out of date. The charging system, the entertainment... When did Lexus lose the plot!? I don't understand what's going on, they have access to all of Toyota's technology, why is this car so crappy

Anyway, no - I don't think it's worth the money.

It's about par for Toyota "technology" IMHO - they've been left so far behind by sitting on theirs hands doing nothing for the past 10 years that it's going to take a miracle for them to get back up to speed.

Given Toyota's lead on hybrids, Nissan's lead with the Leaf and Honda's quirky Honda e, all three look sad and behind the times right now.

The Ariya and Toyota b5h79jfgjhfruf (or whatever it's called) both look like sub-par BEV SUV clones of Korean/European/Chinese current models and aren't even out yet, plus what are Honda doing?

The Lexus 300e just appears to be a symptom of Japanese auto industry hubris and arrogance.

Yep, it does seem that the Japanese are largely on the back foot. I'd say the Honda E gets a free pass imo because it is trying to move a few things on and has carved out its own little niche in EV land.

The Lexus however is an EV that appears to have been designed to remove all the benefits of having an EV. Lexus have ensured it's not fun, fast, hi tech, easy to charge or endowed with enough range for the class of car it's supposed to be.

If I had got one as my first EV I imagine I'd have a very different view of EV ownership!

[gangzoom]

TheDeuce said:

Lexus have ensured it's not fun, fast, hi tech,

I think you can level all those criticisms at our IS300H, though its not actually slow it feels very slow thanks the the powertain.

I don't think Lexus cares much about whats mentioned here, their USP is realibitly. Infact Lexus are so confident about reliability if I choose to service our 7 year old car at any Lexus dealer they will throw in a 'free' 12 month warranty regardless of service history and with less exclusions on the list than Teslas £800/year extended warranty.

The problem however is reliability is no longer the most important thing customers care about in cars, but asking an organization the size of Toyota to do a whole culture shift away from safe and tested to pushing innovation is nigh on impossible.

Reliability isn't bad thing, at 7 years old our IS300H had required zero additional work, and even the Halfords garage that serviced/MOTed it recently couldn't find a single thing extra to charge me for expect fot the oil change. Its just choosing a car just for reliability is like marrying someone just because they are 'nice'. For me any ways cars need something else beyond been reliable to be interesting and loved.

The UX 300e is therefore exactly what Lexus owners want in a car (minus the range).

Edited by gangzoom on Sunday 13th February 06:29

[Bobtherallyfan]

gangzoom said:

I think you can level all those criticisms at our IS300H, though its not actually slow it feels very slow thanks the the powertain.

I don't think Lexus cares much about whats mentioned here, their USP is realibitly. Infact Lexus are so confident about reliability if I choose to service our 7 year old car at any Lexus dealer they will throw in a 'free' 12 month warranty regardless of service history and with less exclusions on the list than Teslas £800/year extended warranty.

The problem however is reliability is no longer the most important thing customers care about in cars, but asking an organization the size of Toyota to do a whole culture shift away from safe and tested to pushing innovation is nigh on impossible.

Reliability isn't bad thing, at 7 years old our IS300H had required zero additional work, and even the Halfords garage that serviced/MOTed it recently couldn't find a single thing extra to charge me for expect fot the oil change. Its just choosing a car just for reliability is like marrying someone just because they are 'nice'. For me any ways cars need something else beyond been reliable to be interesting and loved.

The UX 300e is therefore exactly what Lexus owners want in a car (minus the range).

Edited by gangzoom on Sunday 13th February 06:29

Exactly the reason why my wife is considering one. Comfort, reliability and dealer service second to none. It’s the Miele of the car world.

[gangzoom]

Bobtherallyfan said:

Exactly the reason why my wife is considering one. Comfort, reliability and dealer service second to none. It’s the Miele of the car world.

The IS300H is my wifes car, she would happily replace it with an Lexus EV (Not the UX300e - Range is just too low for the price).

Apart from taking handover from the dealer we've never had to contact one again. Our Lexus is the exact opposite to our Tesla in many ways, despite both having 4 wheels and their main job been to get us from A to B. The electric RX I believe is coming, but still a few years away though, when it get here am sure it'll be the same reliable, conservative design we come to expect from Lexus, which really isn't a bad thing for many people.

[skinnyman]

I appreciate it's difficult to justify the real world sub 150 miles range and slow charging, but the reason I'm looking at them is because I'll charge it from home 99.9% of the time, and range is almost irrelevant as it'll be a second car, my wife has a Tuscon that we'll do anything long distance in.

I'm currently driving her old 2008 Ford Cmax, and due to the salary sacrifice cars including insurance, electric Vs petrol, tax etc etc it means than the financial difference between driving £500s worth of knackered old Cmax, and a £42k Lexus, is £150/mth.

If buying cash then it's a poor value proposition against a Mach E, Skoda Enyaq etc, but via salary sacrifice it's in the same cost bracket as a 500e, Mini, and even the E-Up.

[liner33]

We have a regular hybrid UX which we bought in 2019, wife loves it and it's well built , reliable and a nice place to be , good on fuel for what it is

I had the 300e as a loaner when it was in for service , as said I also don't think a car designed as a hybrid works as electric but around town it was a nice thing as said range was disappointing it stated 175miles when I got in it freshly charged but the time I had driven 20 miles it was down to 135, when I returned it after about 40 miles it's was showing about 80 left , good recipe for range anxiety I reckon

The tech is fine they have apple car play so there is little reason to use the pad much and the audio in Lexus is better than most

The UX doesn't have a massive boot but the e seems to lose some depth and more importantly the rear seat squab has been raised to accommodate the battery and this makes the seating a bit awkward and can't be comfortable for large children or adults

Summing up I'd rather have a leaf or the Honda e