Artura LT?

[Wheelspinning]

Like most, I was pinged the McLaren automotive LT celebration presentations this morning detailing the 675, 600 and the 765, which makes you wonder if there is an announcement coming at some point about a new one.

I'm guessing the next LT shall be the Artura.

It's probably the right time in that models life with the coupe, spider and the fine tuning of the model now which is getting amazing reviews from all the journos that drive the latest generation after a tricky delayed launch.

Has anybody heard anything yet?

Personally, I would love to get my hands on a Artura LT spider....

[Streetbeat]

Mentioned this in the Artura thread some time ago.

I was under the impression the new head honcho felt the "lt" badge was being over used and they would be introducing s and r versions down the line, although that may well have changed.

They already have the Artura GT4 racing so would be an easy release for an s, r or lt.

I see the next big thing apart from the W1 being the 750s replacement, which is in development.

[CharlesElliott]

Although a lot of people are interested in an Artura LT, it would be a £270K (Coupe) and £300K (Spider) in my view. Which I think would make people less keen.....

[ChrisW.]

And they've just launched the Spyder which may offer some indication of any price resistance at only £25k over the coupe whilst enabling another advantage of the carbon fibre tub to shine ?

But maybe heat management would be easier with an LT ?

[CharlesElliott]

ChrisW. said:

And they've just launched the Spyder which may offer some indication of any price resistance at only £25k over the coupe whilst enabling another advantage of the carbon fibre tub to shine ?

But maybe heat management would be easier with an LT ?

Spider new is £260 - 275K with options, so I'm sure it would be 300K+ for an LT version.

[Hellers]

I’m assuming an Artura LT would have to have more power as well as some aero/handling gains over the standard car? How much extra do you think? A tweak of the V6 turbo and maybe some more from the electric motor in tandem?

[Frankychops]

Hellers said:

I’m assuming an Artura LT would have to have more power as well as some aero/handling gains over the standard car? How much extra do you think? A tweak of the V6 turbo and maybe some more from the electric motor in tandem?

I bet that motor can do circa 800bhp on its own.

[Streetbeat]

Hellers said:

I’m assuming an Artura LT would have to have more power as well as some aero/handling gains over the standard car? How much extra do you think? A tweak of the V6 turbo and maybe some more from the electric motor in tandem?

None of the previous it's have had major power gains, 30bhp ish, the remit has usually been a weight reduction and as you say aero.

Being the demand has been relatively small (huge discounts and finance packages on stock cars) i think the question you have to ask is, will they bother, do they see a market for it?

[Wheelspinning]

My tuppenceworth is that they are so invested in the Artura, that i cannot see them not revealing a LT model.

The 750 replacement is maybe 3 years at least away, spider say 4 years and LT version of that say 5 years, so that would effectively be 8 or 9 years from 765LT launch.

The Artura LT would fill that gap nicely.

The mistake with the 600 was not 'capping' the numbers, because McLaren were going through the volume stage, from which they have learned a huge lesson.

500 of each variant would be good number; the 765 no of 765s was too much.

Throw in 50 roofscoops as the pinnacle.

It would be very easy to, as Frankchops suggested, go to 800bhp, but i feel they wouldn't steal the 765 or 750 thunder and go for around 735 but with hopefully some kind of regeneration battery boost for track straights...

All wishful thinking, but never underestimate McLaren.

[Hellers]

Streetbeat said:

Hellers said:

I’m assuming an Artura LT would have to have more power as well as some aero/handling gains over the standard car? How much extra do you think? A tweak of the V6 turbo and maybe some more from the electric motor in tandem?

None of the previous it's have had major power gains, 30bhp ish, the remit has usually been a weight reduction and as you say aero.

Being the demand has been relatively small (huge discounts and finance packages on stock cars) i think the question you have to ask is, will they bother, do they see a market for it?

Yes that certainly makes sense, thank you. I guess there would certainly be a significant power to weight improvement. The current Artura weighs more than a 720S am I correct?

I think one of the compelling benefits of an LT model over a standard car is that it will almost certainly sell out especially if there’s a limited run, and from what I can see, they tend to hold their value very well indeed, usually being the most sought-after.

[Streetbeat]

Yes it's heavier, but still very impressive for a hybrid.

Definitely a good conversation starter, I guess it all falls down to which side of the fence you sit on with regards to the Artura, personally I don't have a lot of interest in them so a lt variant wouldn't make me want to jump.

Sitting on the fence I don't doubt being Mclaren it would be an awesome machine, but, sales have been slow, being kind, so would an lt really change the interest levels, not in my opinion especially as someone posted above about the likely cost.

It's well documented Mclaren have come under fire for releasing too many models which are too similar, too quickly, if anything hold it back to an end of line special before it's demise a bit like the 765lt, not make the same mistakes going forward.

[MDL111]

Hellers said:

Yes that certainly makes sense, thank you. I guess there would certainly be a significant power to weight improvement. The current Artura weighs more than a 720S am I correct?

I think one of the compelling benefits of an LT model over a standard car is that it will almost certainly sell out especially if there’s a limited run, and from what I can see, they tend to hold their value very well indeed, usually being the most sought-after.

has any LT really "held its value well" from its list price?

[Rocketreid]

MDL111 said:

has any LT really "held its value well" from its list price?

They have in comparison to other McLaren models and the 765LT is the proof.

So few of them on the market and only 2 Coupes which were £280,000 list +options and just 2 for sale, although a couple of others available off piste

The Spiders have held even better

[MDL111]

Rocketreid said:

MDL111 said:

has any LT really "held its value well" from its list price?

They have in comparison to other McLaren models and the 765LT is the proof.

So few of them on the market and only 2 Coupes which were £280,000 list +options and just 2 for sale, although a couple of others available off piste

The Spiders have held even better

I guess that is fair if a little distorted by the really big depreciation of "normal" McLarens in the UK - never really understood why they get that cheap (relatively speaking) that quickly in the UK. Although they do then seem to find a floor at some point.

[BobM]

Streetbeat said:

None of the previous it's have had major power gains, 30bhp ish, the remit has usually been a weight reduction and as you say aero.

Being the demand has been relatively small (huge discounts and finance packages on stock cars) i think the question you have to ask is, will they bother, do they see a market for it?

Agree, it's not really about the actual power output. I drove a demo Artura for the day a couple of weeks ago then got back in my 600LT. The difference was obvious, the 600LT was much more pointy and alive in your hands, and the throttle response was much more aggressive. They had a similar power to weight ratio, and the Artura is an incredibly quick car, but the 600LT felt much more fun to drive.

[Frankychops]

It’s worth pointing out how well made, fit and finish wise the artura is. I think the 600lt/570s seem to be bottom of the pile in that regard

[BobM]

Frankychops said:

It’s worth pointing out how well made, fit and finish wise the artura is. I think the 600lt/570s seem to be bottom of the pile in that regard

I half agree with you - the Artura is indeed a lovely car with a lovely interior, but when my wife and I got back in the LT we agreed that the LT interior is also great - mines clack/charcoal alcantara with blue stitching to macth the MSO Paris Blue paintwork.

The infotainment on the Artura was much more modern, but I actually preferred the dash displays on my LT. I accept that's probably largely down to familiarity, being able easily access the info I wanted.

I don't get the negativity about McLaren interiors - I moved up to mine from a Cayman 718 GT4 and the McLaren is night a day a nicer place to be and the fit and finish is great, it's actually a lot less plasticky.

[Frankychops]

BobM said:

I half agree with you - the Artura is indeed a lovely car with a lovely interior, but when my wife and I got back in the LT we agreed that the LT interior is also great - mines clack/charcoal alcantara with blue stitching to macth the MSO Paris Blue paintwork.

The infotainment on the Artura was much more modern, but I actually preferred the dash displays on my LT. I accept that's probably largely down to familiarity, being able easily access the info I wanted.

I don't get the negativity about McLaren interiors - I moved up to mine from a Cayman 718 GT4 and the McLaren is night a day a nicer place to be and the fit and finish is great, it's actually a lot less plasticky.

Agreed, all of them are spec sensitive. its the panel gaps, reduction in external rubber seals etc that impresses me the most.