How do they Compare 765LT v 720s v 750s
Discussion
This is essentially the experience I have had with owning and driving all 3 cars and is of course my view which not everyone will agree with.
First thing to state is I tend to lean towards fast track driving and not so much towards a hard core road bias. Having 6 points doesn’t help !
As background I had a 570s, briefly a 600LT, then a long term 720s for over 3 1/2 years and overlapped it with a 765LT.
A few weeks back I was able to use a 750S for a week or so and could form a more personal view despite having had a few previous test drives in them.
So firstly how does a 720 stack up against a 765. One main difference is, it is not a more noticeable difference of that between the 570 - 600.
The 600 is raw, and although you can not say a 765 is not raw, loud, or edgey, the Super series suspension set up Irons out some of the perceived harshness.
The ride quality on road is excellent, not so cosseting as a 720, which really is in a league of its own, but plenty able to deal with most of Britain’s poor roads. Noise is less in the 720 and it is a more relaxed road car to drive. Performance is really irrelevant on road as both are ballistic and while the 765 has shorter gearing and snaps through them with ferocity you need to be mindful of how fast you are going.
Tyre choice for road use is important as the standard Trofeo R’s need plenty of heat and for both cars for UK road’s possibly Michelin PS4S are better.
Build quality is subjective, however other than the usual, front wing fenders, roof glass and accumulators the 720s was bullet proof, equally no issues with the 765.
The big difference comes on track however. The 720s on a big track like Silverstone GP, is extremely fast, its aero can be really felt, particularly through fast sweepers like Stowe. However the suspension is too soft and the brakes need respect and for hard tracking Surface Transforms better suited. I was able to better my 600LT lap times but perhaps not in a more enjoyable way.
The 765LT is altogether much faster, it exits the corners with more speed and the brakes with the front Senna Calipers allow improved stopping. Along side this, additional aero and higher straight line speeds it knocks a few seconds off the lap.
Tracking them back to back a couple of times also allowed an insight into each cars behaviour and in many ways it showed how superior the 720s was in 2017 when launched compared to anything else. Just unfortunate some build quality issues and McLaren being McLaren and non supportive dealers spoiled some folks enjoyment
So the 750s, is it an improvement over the 720s, and yes it is in my opinion.
I can’t say its build quality is better, as my 720s was excellent, or the interior is significantly improved and for that matter performance.
It does however look like the mild changes have made for an overall better car as you would expect. The gear changes are sharper but not anywhere near a 765, but it does pull hard, however not so noticeable in the lower gears.
The 750s as others have stated is an evolution and not a
revolution car. The changes enhance rather than change anything and if this was a Porsche GT car it would be a .2 model rather than a .1
It is in my estimation a great car for road usage and occasional track days.
One thing to mention is all my cars have been Coupes although I doubt comparing Spiders would have made much difference
First thing to state is I tend to lean towards fast track driving and not so much towards a hard core road bias. Having 6 points doesn’t help !
As background I had a 570s, briefly a 600LT, then a long term 720s for over 3 1/2 years and overlapped it with a 765LT.
A few weeks back I was able to use a 750S for a week or so and could form a more personal view despite having had a few previous test drives in them.
So firstly how does a 720 stack up against a 765. One main difference is, it is not a more noticeable difference of that between the 570 - 600.
The 600 is raw, and although you can not say a 765 is not raw, loud, or edgey, the Super series suspension set up Irons out some of the perceived harshness.
The ride quality on road is excellent, not so cosseting as a 720, which really is in a league of its own, but plenty able to deal with most of Britain’s poor roads. Noise is less in the 720 and it is a more relaxed road car to drive. Performance is really irrelevant on road as both are ballistic and while the 765 has shorter gearing and snaps through them with ferocity you need to be mindful of how fast you are going.
Tyre choice for road use is important as the standard Trofeo R’s need plenty of heat and for both cars for UK road’s possibly Michelin PS4S are better.
Build quality is subjective, however other than the usual, front wing fenders, roof glass and accumulators the 720s was bullet proof, equally no issues with the 765.
The big difference comes on track however. The 720s on a big track like Silverstone GP, is extremely fast, its aero can be really felt, particularly through fast sweepers like Stowe. However the suspension is too soft and the brakes need respect and for hard tracking Surface Transforms better suited. I was able to better my 600LT lap times but perhaps not in a more enjoyable way.
The 765LT is altogether much faster, it exits the corners with more speed and the brakes with the front Senna Calipers allow improved stopping. Along side this, additional aero and higher straight line speeds it knocks a few seconds off the lap.
Tracking them back to back a couple of times also allowed an insight into each cars behaviour and in many ways it showed how superior the 720s was in 2017 when launched compared to anything else. Just unfortunate some build quality issues and McLaren being McLaren and non supportive dealers spoiled some folks enjoyment
So the 750s, is it an improvement over the 720s, and yes it is in my opinion.
I can’t say its build quality is better, as my 720s was excellent, or the interior is significantly improved and for that matter performance.
It does however look like the mild changes have made for an overall better car as you would expect. The gear changes are sharper but not anywhere near a 765, but it does pull hard, however not so noticeable in the lower gears.
The 750s as others have stated is an evolution and not a
revolution car. The changes enhance rather than change anything and if this was a Porsche GT car it would be a .2 model rather than a .1
It is in my estimation a great car for road usage and occasional track days.
One thing to mention is all my cars have been Coupes although I doubt comparing Spiders would have made much difference
Enjoyable read and view.
Did you find the 600LT a big improvement over the 570s, would it more akin to your view on the 750s being an incremental change (.2) or worthy of a new model status?
Im in the market for a 720s but do find myself looking at 600lt's as i do enjoy trackdays, im not there to better laptimes just enjoy some very spirited driving and make use of the cars performance and handling but i cant help thinking is a 600lt really going to be 40-50k better than my track pack 570 i owned?
Did you find the 600LT a big improvement over the 570s, would it more akin to your view on the 750s being an incremental change (.2) or worthy of a new model status?
Im in the market for a 720s but do find myself looking at 600lt's as i do enjoy trackdays, im not there to better laptimes just enjoy some very spirited driving and make use of the cars performance and handling but i cant help thinking is a 600lt really going to be 40-50k better than my track pack 570 i owned?
Edited by Streetbeat on Wednesday 18th September 14:01
I went from a 570s coupe to a 600LT Spider and it cost £66k to change early last yr. The 570s is already an excellent package and if I’m being really objective the cost to change is quite high and probably not worth it. But who really thinks with their heads when it comes to stuff like this?! The mkt dictates the cost so little can be done about it if you want to see for yourself. Having said all that I love the 600, it’s absolutely thrilling to drive especially in Spider form , the noise through the open back window is pure theatre and a big factor in its favour over the 600 coupe (never mind the 570s coupe). I’ve recently been considering the next car and the obvious candidate was a 765LT coupe but that was probably going to be a £130k-£140k ticket to change into. I just couldn’t justify it tbh as in real world it’ll be no faster than the 600 and to track properly its too high in value (at least for me!). I ended up deciding to keep the 600 another yr and I put the money into a DBS SL which is something completely different but which I’ll use for other trips and taking my young kids out in.
Streetbeat said:
Enjoyable read and view.
Did you find the 600LT a big improvement over the 570s, would it more akin to your view on the 750s being an incremental change (.2) or worthy of a new model status?
Im in the market for a 720s but do find myself looking at 600lt's as i do enjoy trackdays, im not there to better laptimes just enjoy some very spirited driving and make use of the cars performance and handling but i cant help thinking is a 600lt really going to be 40-50k better than my track pack 570 i owned?
I actually felt the 570s to a 600LT was a fairly significant step. The extra power coupled with 80kg less and improved aero is very noticeable and a 600LT in McLaren terms is pretty raw.Did you find the 600LT a big improvement over the 570s, would it more akin to your view on the 750s being an incremental change (.2) or worthy of a new model status?
Im in the market for a 720s but do find myself looking at 600lt's as i do enjoy trackdays, im not there to better laptimes just enjoy some very spirited driving and make use of the cars performance and handling but i cant help thinking is a 600lt really going to be 40-50k better than my track pack 570 i owned?
Edited by Streetbeat on Wednesday 18th September 14:01
Going from a 570 to a 720 is in performance terms a much larger step up and the Super series cars in any guise have a sublime ride quality which isn’t quite there in a 600 or 570.
Each McLaren provides something to someone and everyone has their own preferences, however when 600LT’s are close to 720s prices it creates a bigger dilemma
Davyt said:
Buy what you prefer at the end of the day , if you like a Coupe buy a Coupe, if you like a Spider buy a Spider, there’s no right or wrong as some would have you believe, just get a car bought dude , life is to short ( think you said that to me 20 months ago ),
I am trying buddy but my search has mainly been for a 720s, although I do peruse the 600lt market to see if anything tempts me, I think it would have to beva pretty nice one (colour/clubsport or clubsport pro) to distract me from a 720s as Rocket says its an added dilemma they are now at the same price point.Whatever you buy you’ll not be disappointed mate, keeping my 600 for a while longer, nothing at the same price point compares ( OK maybe a nice spec 720,, lol )
Streetbeat said:
I am trying buddy but my search has mainly been for a 720s, although I do peruse the 600lt market to see if anything tempts me, I think it would have to beva pretty nice one (colour/clubsport or clubsport pro) to distract me from a 720s as Rocket says its an added dilemma they are now at the same price point.
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