Nice car on CC

[Frankychops]

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-mclaren-m...

Looks nice in that colour and very well maintained.

[murphyaj]

MOT history shows it was on 19221 miles in Dec 2021, and ad says it is now on 19585 miles.
That's 364 miles in two and a half years.
I wouldn't want to be the one to find out all the issues that are hiding because it hasn't been used.

[Frankychops]

murphyaj said:

MOT history shows it was on 19221 miles in Dec 2021, and ad says it is now on 19585 miles.
That's 364 miles in two and a half years.
I wouldn't want to be the one to find out all the issues that are hiding because it hasn't been used.

I guess you read the advert and invoices?

[mrpseudonym]

murphyaj said:

I wouldn't want to be the one to find out all the issues that are hiding because it hasn't been used.

Oh FFS, unless you are trying to talk it down so you can negotiate yourself these kind of comments about McLarens are getting tiring. If it had been driven you’d be saying it had too many miles. Things wear out when they are used, and others wear out when they sit around. Personally I think the lack of mileage is a bonus. Looks like a well priced (ie no reserve) well maintained car to me. It had a lot of expensive early issues that have now all been dealt with.

Edited by mrpseudonym on Monday 10th June 00:14

[murphyaj]

mrpseudonym said:

If it had been driven you’d be saying it had too many miles.

I definitely wouldn't. I recently owned a 52000 mile Ferrari.
And what I find tiring are all the people who chip in about an advert for a 26000 mile car saying they wouldn't trust one with "high miles".

Edited by murphyaj on Monday 10th June 07:43

[Rocketreid]

Unfortunately cars get onto Lovetts CC for a reason !!

Anyone considering this car needs to get a full inspection before bidding as if your bid is successful CC take 7.2% from you immediately. Perhaps around £4,500 which is non-refundable should you ultimately reject the car

A very risky way to buy a car, no consumer protection

Ordinary Auctions give you far better protection

[murphyaj]

Frankychops said:

I guess you read the advert and invoices?

I did. It was serviced at a McLaren main dealer in Nov 2021. Then in Nov 2022, after a year of virtually no use, took it back to the same dealer and had to replace the following which had seemingly all failed in the previous year while it was sat in a garage.

• battery
• tracker unit
• nearside rear suspension actuator
• coolant header tank
• front crank seal
• nearside rear driveshaft oil seal
• offside rear tyre valve
• offside front shock hose union connection

The battery alone was £1850 and according to the invoice the car had to be recovered to McLaren Guildford and have the battery replaced because it had been allowed to go flat. Three of the other faults (which cost thousands more to fix) are down to failed seals, which is exactly what you'd expect to go if a car sits unused for a long time. All of which is very much the point I am trying to make.

Edited by murphyaj on Monday 10th June 09:16

[mrpseudonym]

I found it interesting that only one accumulator was replaced. How would you know that a specific one had failed?

[davek_964]

mrpseudonym said:

I found it interesting that only one accumulator was replaced. How would you know that a specific one had failed?

That happened on my first 650 - I believe that they told me that there was a visible leak.

[Frankychops]

murphyaj said:

Frankychops said:

I guess you read the advert and invoices?

I did. It was serviced at a McLaren main dealer in Nov 2021. Then in Nov 2022, after a year of virtually no use, took it back to the same dealer and had to replace the following which had seemingly all failed in the previous year while it was sat in a garage.

• battery
• tracker unit
• nearside rear suspension actuator
• coolant header tank
• front crank seal
• nearside rear driveshaft oil seal
• offside rear tyre valve
• offside front shock hose union connection

The battery alone was £1850 and according to the invoice the car had to be recovered to McLaren Guildford and have the battery replaced because it had been allowed to go flat. Three of the other faults (which cost thousands more to fix) are down to failed seals, which is exactly what you'd expect to go if a car sits unused for a long time. All of which is very much the point I am trying to make.

Edited by murphyaj on Monday 10th June 09:16

well then, its had all the bits done, so I don't see your point on why this couldn't be a sensible purchase?

[murphyaj]

Frankychops said:

murphyaj said:

Frankychops said:

I guess you read the advert and invoices?

I did. It was serviced at a McLaren main dealer in Nov 2021. Then in Nov 2022, after a year of virtually no use, took it back to the same dealer and had to replace the following which had seemingly all failed in the previous year while it was sat in a garage.

• battery
• tracker unit
• nearside rear suspension actuator
• coolant header tank
• front crank seal
• nearside rear driveshaft oil seal
• offside rear tyre valve
• offside front shock hose union connection

The battery alone was £1850 and according to the invoice the car had to be recovered to McLaren Guildford and have the battery replaced because it had been allowed to go flat. Three of the other faults (which cost thousands more to fix) are down to failed seals, which is exactly what you'd expect to go if a car sits unused for a long time. All of which is very much the point I am trying to make.

Edited by murphyaj on Monday 10th June 09:16

well then, its had all the bits done, so I don't see your point on why this couldn't be a sensible purchase?

It's had all THOSE bits done. I have been told that accumulators can fail due to a leak after the seals harden due to lack of use. This car has had one accumulator replaced 18 months ago, it has 3 others that have not been replaced, and it's been idle for a lot longer now. It has had 3 other faults rectified due to failed seals, but there are a lot more than just 3 seals on a 12C and none of those were replaced. Just because a lot of stuff was done in Nov 2022 doesn't mean there isn't scope for plenty more to need replacing now. The owner let the battery go flat once, and subsequently killed it. Did they learn their lesson, or have they left it again?

This is all conjecture. Maybe the car is absolutely perfect now, maybe someone will buy it and have years of trouble free motoring. Or maybe the other three accumulators have gone along with a bunch of other stuff and the buyer will spend £8000 at service time like the last owner had to in 2022. There are two ways to find out.

1) get a thorough inspection done by a specialist. This isn't going to happen as the auction finishes in 2 days.
2) Buy it, spend £59000 and hope for the best. Accepting that there is zero comeback, and even if you reject the car on the spot you have to pay the £4000 buyers fee.

I believe that option 2 is a big gamble. Especially when it isn't exactly a bargain; £59000 with fees is a good price for a 12C, but it's only a bit cheaper than a car from an independent dealer. That's just my take, and based on no more information than anyone else can get from the advert, so you are all free to disagree.

[Frankychops]

murphyaj said:

It's had all THOSE bits done. I have been told that accumulators can fail due to a leak after the seals harden due to lack of use. This car has had one accumulator replaced 18 months ago, it has 3 others that have not been replaced, and it's been idle for a lot longer now. It has had 3 other faults rectified due to failed seals, but there are a lot more than just 3 seals on a 12C and none of those were replaced. Just because a lot of stuff was done in Nov 2022 doesn't mean there isn't scope for plenty more to need replacing now. The owner let the battery go flat once, and subsequently killed it. Did they learn their lesson, or have they left it again?

This is all conjecture. Maybe the car is absolutely perfect now, maybe someone will buy it and have years of trouble free motoring. Or maybe the other three accumulators have gone along with a bunch of other stuff and the buyer will spend £8000 at service time like the last owner had to in 2022. There are two ways to find out.

1) get a thorough inspection done by a specialist. This isn't going to happen as the auction finishes in 2 days.
2) Buy it, spend £59000 and hope for the best. Accepting that there is zero comeback, and even if you reject the car on the spot you have to pay the £4000 buyers fee.

I believe that option 2 is a big gamble. Especially when it isn't exactly a bargain; £59000 with fees is a good price for a 12C, but it's only a bit cheaper than a car from an independent dealer. That's just my take, and based on no more information than anyone else can get from the advert, so you are all free to disagree.

Is V car management, not V engineering?

[Ken_Code]

These cars are looking better and better as time passes.

[murphyaj]

Frankychops said:

Is V car management, not V engineering?

V Group is comprised of V Engineering (which I presume everyone on a McLaren forum will know of), V Events (who organise tours and track days) and V Management, who primarily do storage and transport of supercars and management of collections for those with multiple cars. I have no idea how distinct the branches of the company are from one another. One of the services V Management offers is to handle the listing of cars on CC for owners, which appears to be the case here.

As far as I can tell (unless somebody wants to correct me) legally speaking the sale is direct with the seller, neither V Management, nor CC, take any responsibility or liability for the car. This is not a case of them selling the car on SOR.

V seem like really good people across the board, so the fact they are selling it means it's probably not a dog, since they won't want to damage their well deserved reputation by dealing with an obviously bad car. So I suppose that does act in its favour, but you're still making a private sale AIUI.

[MMarkM]

murphyaj makes a good point, I think a quick phone call to Paul at V and you'll get an honest answer if it's worth buying or not! If he said he knows the car and yes then I think it could be a good buy

[AA121]

Went for £58500.00 plus fees last night so a total purchase price of £62717.00 for the winning bidder.

[samoht]

Sold to a PHer, so hopefully we'll get to hear about their enjoyment of the car
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...