Tyre Choice - Michelin / Pirelli
Discussion
Hello all,
I am due to change all four tyres on my 540C and keep reading the PS4s are the preferred option? I've also stuck with the OEM Pirelli whenever I have changed the rears, to keep them matched with the fronts but I'm now at the point of needing a full set.
I also have one eye on putting the car up for sale later this year, I've owned it 5 years now and think it's time for a change so also have an interest in the car being able to have a warranty added etc.
My understanding is, a warranty can be added regardless of tyres as long as they are of suitable depth, and declared prior to adding the official warranty..
However, a McLaren dealer would require the tyres to be OEM to be bought and sold as 'Approved Used'? I guess my concern is, by fitting PS4s, would this limit my potential selling routes (or have another cost to change to back to P Zero) ?
I am due to change all four tyres on my 540C and keep reading the PS4s are the preferred option? I've also stuck with the OEM Pirelli whenever I have changed the rears, to keep them matched with the fronts but I'm now at the point of needing a full set.
I also have one eye on putting the car up for sale later this year, I've owned it 5 years now and think it's time for a change so also have an interest in the car being able to have a warranty added etc.
My understanding is, a warranty can be added regardless of tyres as long as they are of suitable depth, and declared prior to adding the official warranty..
However, a McLaren dealer would require the tyres to be OEM to be bought and sold as 'Approved Used'? I guess my concern is, by fitting PS4s, would this limit my potential selling routes (or have another cost to change to back to P Zero) ?
I’ve noticed quiet a few cars for sale at Mcdealers that have the Michelins on, can’t see them taking them off and fitting Pirelli if there’s loads of tread left! Or do they ??
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209209...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209209...
The MC rated P Zeros are really quite good - when they are up to temperature. Outside of that, they are hilariously awful. Whatever changes McLaren specified to the construction/compounds etc makes a noticeable difference vs my recollection of previous deathtrap P Zero.
When I replaced the rears last year I swapped like for like. This year I think I will go Conti SportContact 7 all-round if they are available in my sizes when the time comes.
When I replaced the rears last year I swapped like for like. This year I think I will go Conti SportContact 7 all-round if they are available in my sizes when the time comes.
Will also repeat what has been the newer MC rated Pzero PZ4 is far superior to Pzero's I've had on my Ferrari and Mustang which were literally a death trap in colder wet weather. Swapping to PS4S made a dramatic difference in all weather conditions.
My 600 LT has the newer MC rated PZ4 Pzero and I can't really knock it at all, seems really good and would be interesting to hear if anyone has gone from this version of the Pzero to PS4S and still felt their was an improvement or not?
My 600 LT has the newer MC rated PZ4 Pzero and I can't really knock it at all, seems really good and would be interesting to hear if anyone has gone from this version of the Pzero to PS4S and still felt their was an improvement or not?
AndM said:
Michelins all day long. Particularly for the colder damper parts of the kingdom. Night and day difference on multiple cars I've had.
Both the Maserati and Z4MC came with P-zeros. Not quite the asme league as a McL, but switching to Mich PS4s was a massive improvement on both cars, albeit 3 - 5 years ago now.ex-devonpaul said:
Both the Maserati and Z4MC came with P-zeros. Not quite the asme league as a McL, but switching to Mich PS4s was a massive improvement on both cars, albeit 3 - 5 years ago now.
There is a BMW-Specific Michelin Pilot Sport 4S which is * marked - which is a **completely** different tyre to the generic PS4S. The generic PS4S is generally inferior to the BMW-specific one.The same appears to be true for these MC rated Pirelli tyres. I was tempted to bin mine straight away as I'd previously had P Zero on other cars but stuck it out and when hot they are seriously good. At least as good as the * marked PS4S in like-for-like hot conditions. In the cold/damp they are still as poor as the regular P Zeros used to be, more similar to the older Michelin Pilot Super Sport when cold.
Basically, unless you know which exact formulation of PS4S and PZero you're comparing, you can't just make blanket statements as the constructions do differ substantially.
What I'll add is that Continental CSC5 was a better tyre than either MPSS or PS4S but lasted half the mileage. I've seen early reports that the CSC7 is also a superb tyre but they've sorted the wear out so they are more similar to the Michelin, which is why if I was to change tyre now it would be to the Continental instead of the Michelin.
DRZ said:
There is a BMW-Specific Michelin Pilot Sport 4S which is * marked - which is a **completely** different tyre to the generic PS4S. The generic PS4S is generally inferior to the BMW-specific one.
The same appears to be true for these MC rated Pirelli tyres. I was tempted to bin mine straight away as I'd previously had P Zero on other cars but stuck it out and when hot they are seriously good. At least as good as the * marked PS4S in like-for-like hot conditions. In the cold/damp they are still as poor as the regular P Zeros used to be, more similar to the older Michelin Pilot Super Sport when cold.
Basically, unless you know which exact formulation of PS4S and PZero you're comparing, you can't just make blanket statements as the constructions do differ substantially.
What I'll add is that Continental CSC5 was a better tyre than either MPSS or PS4S but lasted half the mileage. I've seen early reports that the CSC7 is also a superb tyre but they've sorted the wear out so they are more similar to the Michelin, which is why if I was to change tyre now it would be to the Continental instead of the Michelin.
Michelin has been caught up for sure, I've ran Continental Sport 6, Goodyear F1AS5 and PS4S on the S2000, the best of the bunch was the Goodyear tyres, best subjective feel and as good in wet conditions. The Continental seemed to equal the PS4S, both seem to wear similar. But Goodyear was my favourite on that car, Goodyear now have Supersport series, supposedly a PS4S rivalling and beating tyre for super cars.The same appears to be true for these MC rated Pirelli tyres. I was tempted to bin mine straight away as I'd previously had P Zero on other cars but stuck it out and when hot they are seriously good. At least as good as the * marked PS4S in like-for-like hot conditions. In the cold/damp they are still as poor as the regular P Zeros used to be, more similar to the older Michelin Pilot Super Sport when cold.
Basically, unless you know which exact formulation of PS4S and PZero you're comparing, you can't just make blanket statements as the constructions do differ substantially.
What I'll add is that Continental CSC5 was a better tyre than either MPSS or PS4S but lasted half the mileage. I've seen early reports that the CSC7 is also a superb tyre but they've sorted the wear out so they are more similar to the Michelin, which is why if I was to change tyre now it would be to the Continental instead of the Michelin.
I think in this instance I will stick with the MC rated Pzero on my 600 LT as it seems fine in the cold and wet once the tyre temps are 15c plus, if I change it will be for a set of Trofeo R MC tyres for Summer/Track use.
I think many people mention the improved grip forget they are going from worn to new tyres. It seems the P-Zeros lose a lot of grip when they are worn, exacerbated by cold weather. My P-Zero MCs are quite worn and need changing, really not much grip at all. I'm in two minds whether to go 4S or stay with the Zeros. I expect availability of either brand will swing my decision in a month or two's time.
Justin - don't forget to swap out your TPMS as they are around 5 years old now.
Justin - don't forget to swap out your TPMS as they are around 5 years old now.
akadk said:
my last 12C spider has a set of new Pzero's - so 2020 or 2021 manufacture (cant recall) - they we McLaren spec tyres
they were garbage !
P Zero Corsa's were much, much better if you want to stick to OEM - just watch the cold temps
4S are the all rounder better package
I had p zero corsas on my 570s, unless it was a decent sumers day they struggled to get up to temp and were pretty much always skipping on hard acceleration, i swapped to cup 2's and they were much better, didnt seem to take an age to get up to temp even on cooler days, which was surprising given their semi slick nature and much much better on track. If i hadnt been tracking i would have gone ps4s.they were garbage !
P Zero Corsa's were much, much better if you want to stick to OEM - just watch the cold temps
4S are the all rounder better package
I would never take Pirellis over Michelin.
targarama said:
I think many people mention the improved grip forget they are going from worn to new tyres. It seems the P-Zeros lose a lot of grip when they are worn, exacerbated by cold weather. My P-Zero MCs are quite worn and need changing, really not much grip at all. I'm in two minds whether to go 4S or stay with the Zeros. I expect availability of either brand will swing my decision in a month or two's time.
Justin - don't forget to swap out your TPMS as they are around 5 years old now.
Good point thanksJustin - don't forget to swap out your TPMS as they are around 5 years old now.
Quiet like the tyre choice on this one, “ Ready for the Snow” apparently
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209139...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209139...
Davyt said:
Quiet like the tyre choice on this one, “ Ready for the Snow” apparently
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209139...
Poor continuity in the pricing!https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209139...
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