Will the 12c become a future classic?
Discussion
It is always hard to predict this kind of stuff but what are peoples opinion on the 12c.
Here are my postives:
This is the first mass produced McLaren (SLR was a not a mass produced car)
Shares a similiar platform and identical carbon tub as the P1
Design is ageing very well
Depreciation seemed to have bottomed out as they are on parity with the 540 and 570
Here are my negatives:
Lots of well used examples out there
Had bad initial reviews when it was released (reliability). Ferrari F50 was similiar when it was first released
Parts are very expensive
Impending ban on selling combustion fuel cars in 2030 ( if they are able to achieve this? will there be an eco fuel available by then?)
Here are my postives:
This is the first mass produced McLaren (SLR was a not a mass produced car)
Shares a similiar platform and identical carbon tub as the P1
Design is ageing very well
Depreciation seemed to have bottomed out as they are on parity with the 540 and 570
Here are my negatives:
Lots of well used examples out there
Had bad initial reviews when it was released (reliability). Ferrari F50 was similiar when it was first released
Parts are very expensive
Impending ban on selling combustion fuel cars in 2030 ( if they are able to achieve this? will there be an eco fuel available by then?)
Well the designer Frank Stephenson seems to think so saying if he had one he would hang on to it. I think as they were under huge spotlight they got a bad rep' because of a few early issues, and then the pub talkers who've never even sat in one took over. Classic clean design that has got better with age and they really moved the Supercar game on.
macdeb said:
ZZzzz.I think the 12c has a chance at this because it was Mclarens first self made production car
WCZ said:
? I simply mean at some point I think petrol will become to expensive / petrol cars will be taxed to death and petrol 'collectable cars' will be resigned to essentially being mostly unusable art
I think the 12c has a chance at this because it was Mclarens first self made production car
I doubt it in our lifetime, theres just no chance the gov can afford to take cars off the road plus we arent even close to running out of oil. I think the 12c has a chance at this because it was Mclarens first self made production car
There are 19,085,249 petrol and 12,146,485 Diesel cars in the UK now.
That's a total of 31 Million.
In 2021 only 190,000 Electric cars were bought in the UK.
Roughly you can see that to replace the 31 million ICE cars at the rate we are buying EV cars, you are looking at 163 yeas.
Most of us are middle aged blokes, who probably have 10 to 20 years of "enthusiastic" driving left.
We really don't need to worry about the country not selling petrol.
That's a total of 31 Million.
In 2021 only 190,000 Electric cars were bought in the UK.
Roughly you can see that to replace the 31 million ICE cars at the rate we are buying EV cars, you are looking at 163 yeas.
Most of us are middle aged blokes, who probably have 10 to 20 years of "enthusiastic" driving left.
We really don't need to worry about the country not selling petrol.
WCZ said:
? I simply mean at some point I think petrol will become to expensive / petrol cars will be taxed to death and petrol 'collectable cars' will be resigned to essentially being mostly unusable art
I think the 12c has a chance at this because it was Mclarens first self made production car
Apologies, I read it wrong being short statement. I think the 12c has a chance at this because it was Mclarens first self made production car
AinsleyB said:
There are 19,085,249 petrol and 12,146,485 Diesel cars in the UK now.
That's a total of 31 Million.
In 2021 only 190,000 Electric cars were bought in the UK.
Roughly you can see that to replace the 31 million ICE cars at the rate we are buying EV cars, you are looking at 163 yeas
There are a few flaws in the maths there, even ignoring the assumption that current cars will last 160 years That's a total of 31 Million.
In 2021 only 190,000 Electric cars were bought in the UK.
Roughly you can see that to replace the 31 million ICE cars at the rate we are buying EV cars, you are looking at 163 yeas
According to Heycar, 267,203 BEV were sold in 2022 (16.6% of all new car sales), so 40% up on the previous year. If they continue to rise at 40%pa then by 2040 that will be 30 million a year, a new car for every one on the road
But the clincher is that in 7 years, BEVs will make up 100% of new car sales, so what is important is how long the ICE ones will last. Currentl average age of UK cars is under 9 years, but the number of cars over 13 years old is climbing and now stands about 20%, so fuel stations won't be disappearing before 2045 at least.
And yes, the 12C will become a classic, but only in the same way that the F360 or 430 has, or the Gallardo. Whilst there were only about 3500 or so made, it is still over double the F40 production run, and far more than other exotica now considered a classic.
I think it will in a similar vain to some production Ferraris - it is actually reasonably rare and the first of its breed
I think the design will age very well - much better than the 650 ff cars
I always thought it was a nice understated design and looked nicer than a 458, but spec sensitive
From memory the one to have from a collector perspective is one of the first c 100 cars, can’t remember why though
I think the design will age very well - much better than the 650 ff cars
I always thought it was a nice understated design and looked nicer than a 458, but spec sensitive
From memory the one to have from a collector perspective is one of the first c 100 cars, can’t remember why though
MDL111 said:
I think it will in a similar vain to some production Ferraris - it is actually reasonably rare and the first of its breed
I think the design will age very well - much better than the 650 ff cars
I always thought it was a nice understated design and looked nicer than a 458, but spec sensitive
From memory the one to have from a collector perspective is one of the first c 100 cars, can’t remember why though
I think the first cars were built in MTC before “factory” was ready?I think the design will age very well - much better than the 650 ff cars
I always thought it was a nice understated design and looked nicer than a 458, but spec sensitive
From memory the one to have from a collector perspective is one of the first c 100 cars, can’t remember why though
I had a deposit on one, but combination of factors meant I never took delivery.
akadk said:
They all had swipe doors til 2013MY?
Stunning cars and crazy VFM
This is a 1 owner 2013MY car, 8k miles, 1yr warranty, fresh McL service, 4new 4S tyres and massive spec inc Ceramic brakes, Carbon front & rear diffuser & engine bay
All purchased for the same price as a new Emira ?!
Still the best looking Mac for me. Stunning cars and crazy VFM
This is a 1 owner 2013MY car, 8k miles, 1yr warranty, fresh McL service, 4new 4S tyres and massive spec inc Ceramic brakes, Carbon front & rear diffuser & engine bay
All purchased for the same price as a new Emira ?!
Edit to add, as someone not rolling in disposable cash my view of the Emira is whilst ultimately not the car a McLaren is it could tick most of the boxes and won’t trip me up with any massive financial hurdles that a Mac could.
Edited by David W. on Wednesday 11th January 07:38
Design is personal and we are all unique in our preferences but as we are discussing opinion then my favourite looking is the MP4-12C is not just the best looking McLaren but one of the most timeless and classy car designs of all time. The lines and proportions are stunning. It remains one of my favourite cars of all time and if I could justify owning one, alongside my 675LT, I would over all other McLarens (F1 aside but that's unobtanium so no point discussing). Mine was one of the first 100 cars allegedly built in the MTC by engineers and not assembly workers in the MPC.
I think these early cars will be sought after in the future and are already a classic, independent of values. The values may go up or down, it doesn't matter, its still an elegant timeless design and there will always be a buyer in the UK for one of the 280 RHD coupes Below is a snap of mine on one of its many euro tours near Interlaken and the second best looking McLaren the 675LT (but IMHO best driving) in Snowdonia. I'm not biased in any way....
"Lots of well used examples out there"
Not really 280 RHD coupes and approx. 70 Spiders.
"Had bad initial reviews when it was released (reliability). Ferrari F50 was similar when it was first released"
Cars have changed so much it doesn't matter anymore. Most new cars are anodyne so 12C is more charismatic now, in comparison, than it was new.
"Parts are very expensive"
V engineering can fix almost all parts now and have made ownership costs palatable. There are new fixes and parts being announced regularly
"Impending ban on selling combustion fuel cars in 2030 ( if they are able to achieve this? will there be an eco fuel available by then?)"
You can't assess the future by current legislation in any aspect of life. Policy changes so fast we don't know what will happen. You have to live in the here and now.
I think these early cars will be sought after in the future and are already a classic, independent of values. The values may go up or down, it doesn't matter, its still an elegant timeless design and there will always be a buyer in the UK for one of the 280 RHD coupes Below is a snap of mine on one of its many euro tours near Interlaken and the second best looking McLaren the 675LT (but IMHO best driving) in Snowdonia. I'm not biased in any way....
"Lots of well used examples out there"
Not really 280 RHD coupes and approx. 70 Spiders.
"Had bad initial reviews when it was released (reliability). Ferrari F50 was similar when it was first released"
Cars have changed so much it doesn't matter anymore. Most new cars are anodyne so 12C is more charismatic now, in comparison, than it was new.
"Parts are very expensive"
V engineering can fix almost all parts now and have made ownership costs palatable. There are new fixes and parts being announced regularly
"Impending ban on selling combustion fuel cars in 2030 ( if they are able to achieve this? will there be an eco fuel available by then?)"
You can't assess the future by current legislation in any aspect of life. Policy changes so fast we don't know what will happen. You have to live in the here and now.
Edited by Bispal on Wednesday 11th January 08:38
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