Discussion
Coming from an R8 V10+ and the 540 and 570 are on my radar.
Got to be honest, I’m terrified of the stories I hear of unreliability and corrosion, and I want to enjoy it, not worry about it all the time.
Are these the wrong cats for me?
Also simply getting in and out of the things!! It’s only a weekend toy but still, I want to enjoy it.
Got to be honest, I’m terrified of the stories I hear of unreliability and corrosion, and I want to enjoy it, not worry about it all the time.
Are these the wrong cats for me?
Also simply getting in and out of the things!! It’s only a weekend toy but still, I want to enjoy it.
paddy1970 said:
720s are advertised around 140k but in reality change hands around 120k....they will be even cheaper in October/November and give you time to save...
Utter tosh, hardly anyone sells them for £120k. There is always a hierarchy above and below with a decent gap between them. eg 12c > 650 > 547 > 570 > 720s etc... rufmeister said:
The budget doesn’t stretch to a 720, so maybe look at the 650 as an option, the spyder would add an extra bit of excitement I guess.
Are the 650 not a bit long on the tooth now?
The 650 will still show a clean pair of heels to virtually most 'super' cars out there currently.Are the 650 not a bit long on the tooth now?
If you get time to watch the top gear episode from 2013, its predecessor, the 12C spider, was viewed as the better car then against the V10 and the 458, although the playing it safe bet was the 458.
The 650 was the 'all round improved' version of the 12c, and just like the 12c, its warp drive quick.
Bizarrely enough, Thorney have that actual stunning volcano yellow 12c spider for sale currently.
In nearly 5 years of McLarens, I have had no real dramas whereas the Ferrari i had before that loved hanging out with its pals at the dealer.
JiggyJaggy said:
paddy1970 said:
720s are advertised around 140k but in reality change hands around 120k....they will be even cheaper in October/November and give you time to save...
Utter tosh, hardly anyone sells them for £120k. There is always a hierarchy above and below with a decent gap between them. eg 12c > 650 > 547 > 570 > 720s etc... The sports series thread is a decent reference of prices/sales thanks to Sams diligence, more so what is and isnt selling, sure you can pick one up for "x" but anything thats nice usually sells for way more than that low end "x" price one which will most likely still be for sale come spring.
I looked for quite a while to find mine and personally think the only reason it sold very recently was because it was the right spec/colour, not massed in with the majority of white/black low option 570s that are festering on the for sale pages.
Edited by Streetbeat on Monday 26th December 11:21
Streetbeat said:
JiggyJaggy said:
paddy1970 said:
720s are advertised around 140k but in reality change hands around 120k....they will be even cheaper in October/November and give you time to save...
Utter tosh, hardly anyone sells them for £120k. There is always a hierarchy above and below with a decent gap between them. eg 12c > 650 > 547 > 570 > 720s etc... The sports series thread is a decent reference of prices/sales thanks to Sams diligence, more so what is and isnt selling, sure you can pick one up for "x" but anything thats nice usually sells for way more than that low end "x" price one which will most likely still be for sale come spring.
I looked for quite a while to find mine and personally think the only reason it sold very recently was because it was the right spec/colour, not massed in with the majority of white/black low option 570s that are festering on the for sale pages.
Edited by Streetbeat on Monday 26th December 11:21
I think there’s always a deal to be done if buying private with cash, problem is some private sellers think there car is worth the same ( or more) than that of a franchise dealer even when theirs has no warranty or any of the other benefits on offer,, Cars on SOR through a back street garage/ independent dealer offer less than those at a franchise for same sort of money so the question begs,,, why would you ??
paddy1970 said:
You obviously have no negotiating capability....
Or youre just talking rubbish....I KNOW what Mclaren offered me on a p/ex, i KNOW what i sold mine for, if you believe 20k plus can be negotiated of the advertised price, dealers are selling at cost and making no money, we ALL know that is neither true or factual.
Streetbeat said:
paddy1970 said:
You obviously have no negotiating capability....
Or youre just talking rubbish....I KNOW what Mclaren offered me on a p/ex, i KNOW what i sold mine for, if you believe 20k plus can be negotiated of the advertised price, dealers are selling at cost and making no money, we ALL know that is neither true or factual.
It was a volcano colour, all the carbon options and had just had the warranty extended.
Loads of calls, but the first caller took it and due to the large amount of calls and the £4950 I had just paid for the warranty, there was zero negotiation on the price.
Poor colours, poor spec and poor condition, yup, I could see negotiation, but in the low £000's; certainly not £20k.
I had zero negotiation on my current mac; it was take it or leave it and that was via Alistair Bols as he knew the next person he called would take it.
That was on a car he hadn't even advertised at that point.
andymc said:
will it depreciate, course it will but what cars don't?
Oh no, you've started it now 
I think the question for a lot of potential buyers is how far will it depreciate?". There will be a fair few people out there able to drop £120k or so on a car, but if you are going to lose £1000/month in depreciation for the next 4 years plus another £500/month in service/warranty, then you can save the worry and lease a new M8.
FWIW I can't see any McL dropping much under £70k except perhaps the base spec white 570(GT)s lingering in the classifieds, but for those stretching to buy one that they might need to realise capital from it again then the adage "“Markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent" is one to bear in mind
The 650s is a warmed over 12c, but the 570 was much different with improved technology, although it doesn't have the hydraulic suspension, but that lowers the operating cost by not having to change accumulators. Mid model year (2017) the dash was changed from three units to a single display. The IRIS was also improved, although not great. The B&W upgrade is well worth holding out for. Soft close doors and sport exhaust are a nice options, too. I had a Volcano Orange 570s spider for two trouble free years (10k miles) and found the car to be brilliant. The only mechanical issue was the V module which is the plastic oil filter housing. I believe the early 570 had some corrosion issues.
A year ago I traded for a Papaya Spark 720s spider and do love the car, but to be honest still miss the 570. Many of the mechanical issues are from limited number of online sources, however it's my opinion that the happy owners don't post very often or complain. There are some electrical anomalies like windows staying down a couple of inches occasionally or key not found, but easily cured by locking and unlocking with key fob. Actually, the rare issues become somewhat endearing...the car is that good. Having spent decades in Porsches I can honestly say you couldn't melt and pour me in another one.
Any McLaren is fast and you can quickly get into the loss of license area very quick. Actually, before buying the first Mac I watched supercar crashes and to this day remind myself when getting in not to do something stupid. You can't go wrong with the 570, IMO.
A year ago I traded for a Papaya Spark 720s spider and do love the car, but to be honest still miss the 570. Many of the mechanical issues are from limited number of online sources, however it's my opinion that the happy owners don't post very often or complain. There are some electrical anomalies like windows staying down a couple of inches occasionally or key not found, but easily cured by locking and unlocking with key fob. Actually, the rare issues become somewhat endearing...the car is that good. Having spent decades in Porsches I can honestly say you couldn't melt and pour me in another one.
Any McLaren is fast and you can quickly get into the loss of license area very quick. Actually, before buying the first Mac I watched supercar crashes and to this day remind myself when getting in not to do something stupid. You can't go wrong with the 570, IMO.
Edited by Swift93 on Tuesday 27th December 23:37
Swift93 said:
Any McLaren is fast and you can quickly get into the loss of license area very quick. Actually, before buying the first Mac I watched supercar crashes and to this day remind myself when getting in not to do something stupid. You can't go wrong with the 570, IMO.
Always tempting to think, why have a car with 570hp when i can have one with 650hp for the same money, i guess its just pub bragging rights, as you say above in real world driving its not like a 650s would show a 570s a clean pair heels or 650s to 720s, even on track they are going to be very close. I wouldnt even say the advanatges of the cross link suspension pay to much of a part, a 570s is hardly rock solid and badly dampened, in comfort mine was more pliant than my daily.Edited by Swift93 on Tuesday 27th December 23:37
Its really just going to come down to asthetics and running costs in my opinion.
I would though push to a 570 over 540 though op, just because it is the more desirable car come resale time.
Edited by Streetbeat on Wednesday 28th December 11:18
Streetbeat said:
Swift93 said:
Any McLaren is fast and you can quickly get into the loss of license area very quick. Actually, before buying the first Mac I watched supercar crashes and to this day remind myself when getting in not to do something stupid. You can't go wrong with the 570, IMO.
Always tempting to think, why have a car with 570hp when i can have one with 650hp for the same money, i guess its just pub bragging rights, as you say above in real world driving its not like a 650s would show a 570s a clean pair heels or 650s to 720s, even on track they are going to be very close. I wouldnt even say the advanatges of the cross link suspension pay to much of a part, a 570s is hardly rock solid and badly dampened, in comfort mine was more pliant than my daily.Edited by Swift93 on Tuesday 27th December 23:37
Its really just going to come down to asthetics and running costs in my opinion.
I would though push to a 570 over 540 though op, just because it is the more desirable car come resale time.
Edited by Streetbeat on Wednesday 28th December 11:18
I do not see any hierarchy in the McLaren models.
Its not like, say, Porsche where different models offer different levels of performance.
A 12C shall still offer warp drive and squish your insides almost as much as a 765LT.
Its not about the performance level you want as they all have that in spades; its about the version you prefer.
You won't convince a 12C owner whom loves the purity of that look that a 570 is the better car and vice versa.
You can eliminate the potential suspension maintenance issues avoiding a 12C or 650, but it does seem they have fewer paint reaction issues than the 5 series so does it balance out?
Would Justin heartily recommend a 570 over his 540, or does he get all he needs out of that car, and does it offer nearly everything a 570 does but slightly cheaper?
There are no rights or wrongs, just buy the best possible version of the model you like, and my tuppence worth is to buy one with decent miles rather than a very low mileage/usage one.
They really don't like sitting about, and if you buy one that the battery has run flat a few times, they seem to throw up the most 'gltches' and the dreaded 'bong' warning.
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