Advice please: 991.2 GT3, AMG GT-R or maybe McLaren?
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Hi, I'm in the position to now by a dream car, but I have lots... so cant make up my mind, some steer from the McLaren room would be much appreciated.
I've been in love with the AMG GTR for a long time, for me the sound, looks and ring time...but can't find the perfect spec, and I'm nervous that they don't seem to be selling.
My head says go and buy a GT3 as it's a safe financial bet (although prices are pretty mental), but it's a bit unoriginal.
SO now I've started to think McLaren... 570S, 600LT or even 720S
The 570S is probably the one for me as it's about the right price, but I worry that it will go the way of the R8 and be worth £40k in a few years.
The 600LT obviously more money, is it really looking like "a future classic"? £150k is a lot for a super up 570S...
The 720S the figures and looks are insane, as is the price. In fact, the price looks so good that it makes me think there must be something wrong?!
The only thing that detracts from all the McLarens is the sound... that's important to me.
What should it do?...
I've been in love with the AMG GTR for a long time, for me the sound, looks and ring time...but can't find the perfect spec, and I'm nervous that they don't seem to be selling.
My head says go and buy a GT3 as it's a safe financial bet (although prices are pretty mental), but it's a bit unoriginal.
SO now I've started to think McLaren... 570S, 600LT or even 720S
The 570S is probably the one for me as it's about the right price, but I worry that it will go the way of the R8 and be worth £40k in a few years.
The 600LT obviously more money, is it really looking like "a future classic"? £150k is a lot for a super up 570S...
The 720S the figures and looks are insane, as is the price. In fact, the price looks so good that it makes me think there must be something wrong?!
The only thing that detracts from all the McLarens is the sound... that's important to me.
What should it do?...
Depends really how focused you want the car to be as a driver and the cars usage. Also whether you want na or turbo engine. Or manual gearbox.
Assuming you just want a focused and most involving rapid road car the GT3 (pref manual but PDK still good if less involving) and 600LT would be the only two choices imo ticking all the important boxes.
570 and 720 both great cars but very detached driving experience and poor stock sound are against them. The 720 is probably too fast for the road and particularly uninvolving at lower speeds. Other disadvantage is the £130k 4 year old 720 is now a distant memory these are now some £40k more in fact a lowish mileage hi spec 2017 car just sold this week at c£180k which is getting very expensive for a 5 year old Mc.
Assuming you just want a focused and most involving rapid road car the GT3 (pref manual but PDK still good if less involving) and 600LT would be the only two choices imo ticking all the important boxes.
570 and 720 both great cars but very detached driving experience and poor stock sound are against them. The 720 is probably too fast for the road and particularly uninvolving at lower speeds. Other disadvantage is the £130k 4 year old 720 is now a distant memory these are now some £40k more in fact a lowish mileage hi spec 2017 car just sold this week at c£180k which is getting very expensive for a 5 year old Mc.
I had a deposit on an AMG GTR, a 2018 with the track pack and carbon brakes, was a great car and amazing to drive. I then saw a 720s for slightly more, went for a test drive on the off chance and my mind was set. They really don’t compare, the 720s is in a completely different league. The AMG GTR was good, but it’s not just the speed of the 720s that I prefer, the handling is more direct, there is much more steering feel, it just feels much more connected.
I’m not sure why people say they are not engaging to drive, this is complete nonsense in my opinion, they are very engaging, as much as my previous GT3RS but with loads more power, and on track it just comes alive, I actually prefer it on track to the 3RS, to me it’s more rewarding. I really think that pound for pound they can’t be beat. I didn’t even have one on my radar due to people saying they were boring, like a 911 Turbo, couldn’t be more wrong. The 570 is also fantastic to drive and for the price of them, a real bargain. I do agree however that if you are looking for the most engaging and raw McLaren experience go with an LT, 600 or 675 if you can get up to that budget.
On the sound, probably the only bad point. The 720s is not a good sounding car, even high up in the rev range. It’s the only real negative I have, but mine is missing the sports exhaust and they do sound a little better but still not great. There is aftermarket exhausts available, but again I think I don’t think it makes a huge difference, just louder but the engine note isn’t as good as competitors. 600LT is a much better sounding car than the 720s.
I’m not sure why people say they are not engaging to drive, this is complete nonsense in my opinion, they are very engaging, as much as my previous GT3RS but with loads more power, and on track it just comes alive, I actually prefer it on track to the 3RS, to me it’s more rewarding. I really think that pound for pound they can’t be beat. I didn’t even have one on my radar due to people saying they were boring, like a 911 Turbo, couldn’t be more wrong. The 570 is also fantastic to drive and for the price of them, a real bargain. I do agree however that if you are looking for the most engaging and raw McLaren experience go with an LT, 600 or 675 if you can get up to that budget.
On the sound, probably the only bad point. The 720s is not a good sounding car, even high up in the rev range. It’s the only real negative I have, but mine is missing the sports exhaust and they do sound a little better but still not great. There is aftermarket exhausts available, but again I think I don’t think it makes a huge difference, just louder but the engine note isn’t as good as competitors. 600LT is a much better sounding car than the 720s.
Edited by samjlevy on Wednesday 6th April 21:57
This isn’t a dig but quite a lot of people on this forum do not use their cars but submit driving opinions as if they are gospel. So I say this as someone who has done 18k road and track miles across two GT3s and a 720s track pack since the pandemic.
I love my GT3RS but the 720s is a whole different thing. You need to try both platforms to know how you feel.
I have to say anyone telling you a 720s feels disconnected is insane - they are sublime. My old track pack 720s was in a different league to the GT3RS in every area but two - build quality and sound. The pace, steering feel and balance were phenomenal. They aren’t as cheap as they were but nothing is - it’s still a ridiculous package for the money.
If you want one just for gods sake get it inspected by an Indy (thorney motorsport) and keep it under warranty.
I love my GT3RS but the 720s is a whole different thing. You need to try both platforms to know how you feel.
I have to say anyone telling you a 720s feels disconnected is insane - they are sublime. My old track pack 720s was in a different league to the GT3RS in every area but two - build quality and sound. The pace, steering feel and balance were phenomenal. They aren’t as cheap as they were but nothing is - it’s still a ridiculous package for the money.
If you want one just for gods sake get it inspected by an Indy (thorney motorsport) and keep it under warranty.
Edited by caminator11 on Wednesday 6th April 22:42
'Detached driving experience'...lol. Havent driven a 720S so can't comment but the 570s is like a go-kart so tactile and so much fun to drive. When pushing on on track it does understeer a bit but that can be managed with some patience on the throttle on corner exit...under £100k nothing really compares to them. If your budget is more and you want something a bit more track focused I'd pick the 600LT over a GT3...the latter might be cheaper to run of course but the full Mcl warranty is comprehensive and offers peace of mind. The AMG looks and sounds nice but is a fair bit heavier and v wide...Happy hunting!
RSbandit said:
'Detached driving experience'...lol. Havent driven a 720S so can't comment but the 570s is like a go-kart so tactile and so much fun to drive. When pushing on on track it does understeer a bit but that can be managed with some patience on the throttle on corner exit...under £100k nothing really compares to them. If your budget is more and you want something a bit more track focused I'd pick the 600LT over a GT3...the latter might be cheaper to run of course but the full Mcl warranty is comprehensive and offers peace of mind. The AMG looks and sounds nice but is a fair bit heavier and v wide...Happy hunting!
Detached is total nonsense. This was my old car, ex press fleet. New owner is on here somewhere. I still miss it https://youtu.be/tcf6pYvirbgRSbandit said:
'Detached driving experience'...lol. Havent driven a 720S so can't comment but the 570s is like a go-kart so tactile and so much fun to drive. When pushing on on track it does understeer a bit but that can be managed with some patience on the throttle on corner exit...under £100k nothing really compares to them. If your budget is more and you want something a bit more track focused I'd pick the 600LT over a GT3...the latter might be cheaper to run of course but the full Mcl warranty is comprehensive and offers peace of mind. The AMG looks and sounds nice but is a fair bit heavier and v wide...Happy hunting!
Have you had a full suspension alignment? My 720 had understeer, took it to Suspension Secrets to work there magic and the understeer is pretty much completely eliminated, it’s much more neutral now, highly recommended, they tend to be set to understeer a bit from the factory.If you are worried about the sound of McLaren's watch these, and these are just standard 12C's and sound awesome to me:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KizbiSkTAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LKvuHA2lvk
As with all cars you need to drive all your options but there is always one that you will want more than the others to be swayed in its direction, there is no wrong or right answer. I've had 2 McLarens and 5 Porsches and adore them all.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KizbiSkTAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LKvuHA2lvk
As with all cars you need to drive all your options but there is always one that you will want more than the others to be swayed in its direction, there is no wrong or right answer. I've had 2 McLarens and 5 Porsches and adore them all.....
samjlevy said:
Have you had a full suspension alignment? My 720 had understeer, took it to Suspension Secrets to work there magic and the understeer is pretty much completely eliminated, it’s much more neutral now, highly recommended, they tend to be set to understeer a bit from the factory.
Nah never had a full alignment done I've just learned to work around it, have had some on track tuition from a guy who's done some work with Mclaren so that was v helpful.RSbandit said:
Nah never had a full alignment done I've just learned to work around it, have had some on track tuition from a guy who's done some work with Mclaren so that was v helpful.
Highly recommended, transformed the car and I think it's probably the best money you can spend on a McLaren.FWIW in addition to front-end geometry I also have spacers on my 650. Still front-end limited with the skinny front tyres, but now 10-20 mph more carried in - and getting better at left-foot trail-braking.
Even before that was still damn sight faster in corners than my Atom - and everything else I see at Oulton Park.
Even before that was still damn sight faster in corners than my Atom - and everything else I see at Oulton Park.
AM Vanquish pretty special too maybe a touch on the heavy side for tracking but looks and sound wise hard to beat...Ive been keeping an eye on the mkt for those as its a car I've long lusted after. I had a V12VS for a couple of yrs and actually alot of fun on track that engine is a beast.
tomvcarter said:
Hi, I'm in the position to now by a dream car, but I have lots... so cant make up my mind, some steer from the McLaren room would be much appreciated.
I've been in love with the AMG GTR for a long time, for me the sound, looks and ring time...but can't find the perfect spec, and I'm nervous that they don't seem to be selling.
My head says go and buy a GT3 as it's a safe financial bet (although prices are pretty mental), but it's a bit unoriginal.
SO now I've started to think McLaren... 570S, 600LT or even 720S
The 570S is probably the one for me as it's about the right price, but I worry that it will go the way of the R8 and be worth £40k in a few years.
The 600LT obviously more money, is it really looking like "a future classic"? £150k is a lot for a super up 570S...
The 720S the figures and looks are insane, as is the price. In fact, the price looks so good that it makes me think there must be something wrong?!
The only thing that detracts from all the McLarens is the sound... that's important to me.
What should it do?...
I would imagine as most threads of this ilk, 570s owners will say 570s, 600lt owners 600lt and so on.I've been in love with the AMG GTR for a long time, for me the sound, looks and ring time...but can't find the perfect spec, and I'm nervous that they don't seem to be selling.
My head says go and buy a GT3 as it's a safe financial bet (although prices are pretty mental), but it's a bit unoriginal.
SO now I've started to think McLaren... 570S, 600LT or even 720S
The 570S is probably the one for me as it's about the right price, but I worry that it will go the way of the R8 and be worth £40k in a few years.
The 600LT obviously more money, is it really looking like "a future classic"? £150k is a lot for a super up 570S...
The 720S the figures and looks are insane, as is the price. In fact, the price looks so good that it makes me think there must be something wrong?!
The only thing that detracts from all the McLarens is the sound... that's important to me.
What should it do?...
If i have had the budget, i would have gone 720s personally.
All great cars and dont think you would be dissapointed with any, i was actually after a AMG GTR, i am glad i ended up in a Mclaren but would like an AMG GTR some day, perhaps when i am not so keen on trackdays.
RSbandit said:
samjlevy said:
Highly recommended, transformed the car and I think it's probably the best money you can spend on a McLaren.
How much do they normally charge?OP, it sounds like a 600LT spider would fit the bill for you. Won’t be as fast as the 720s, but with the Senna seats and the exhaust how they are, it’s an event every time you drive it and probably more fun at slower speeds, and you can lower the rear window for extra noise. Depending on budget I’d try a 600LT spider and a 720s and see which suits you more.
Edited by samjlevy on Thursday 7th April 17:28
tomvcarter said:
SagMan said:
OP - Please tell us what you intend to use them for? Road work, track work, long trips etc?
I've had two of those and quite a different experience.
Weekend toy really, a few track days (but nothing serious), needs to feel special around town as well as when pushing on it.I've had two of those and quite a different experience.
I don’t think GT3 will be special around town imo. It’s a superb drive to track, fun tracking, drive home car but not for me now. McLaren are superb event, sound doesn’t match look. AMG GTR is lovely looking, especially is Magno colours . Look great , sounds okay (not great to me), but more of a weekend event than GT3.
A couple of others :
458 Italia
M4 GTS
Huracan RWD (Evo if you can afford )
All can go on track, but all work as weekend toy. I believe value will hold okay, you can’t get hold of them new. (Evo nearly done re allocations)
I’d go either AMG or Huracan from my experience .
tomvcarter said:
SagMan said:
OP - Please tell us what you intend to use them for? Road work, track work, long trips etc?
I've had two of those and quite a different experience.
Weekend toy really, a few track days (but nothing serious), needs to feel special around town as well as when pushing on it.I've had two of those and quite a different experience.
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