570S Remap

[Streetbeat]

Hi all, does anyone have any experience with Mcalren remaps, i am conisdering one for my 570s, both Thorney and Litchfield do one with similar results but Thorney is 3 times the price.

I am not so much looking for overall bhp but more so the map and more midrange driveability.

Input and thoughts welcome if anyone has any experience with either.

[samjlevy]

No experience and you will lose your warranty if you have one, but if you want a tune, most of the people on McLaren life use DynoSpectrum tunes from M-Engineering.

https://www.m-engineering.us/collections/570s

Meant to be the best tune you can get for a McLaren.

[targarama]

I wouldn't go near any tuning option unless it offered specific mapping/setting up for my car on a rolling road. Too much potential to lunch an expensive engine. Also, watch Youtube videos of tuned 570s vs standard, the difference is not that big IMHO. I know you mention mid-range and driveability, what do you feel is missing from the standard tune?

[Streetbeat]

If im not mistaken, both are base maps, then fine tuned on the rolling road and if i go Thorney, he offers his warranty on cars he has mapped.

I am very comfortable with cars being mapped, Thorney and Litchfield are highly regarded and have every confidence with their tuning abilities, just some feedback from anyone whos had either would be good and why Thorney's is 3 x the price. In regards to why, take a look at the dyno graphs, it should be self explanatory.

Edited by Streetbeat on Tuesday 8th March 16:43

[br d]

You won't lose your warranty, at least not with a Thorney remap.

[aka_kerrly]

Surely you must be pretty numb or used to being fired out of a cannon if you think a 570s lacks midrange

[samjlevy]

br d said:

You won't lose your warranty, at least not with a Thorney remap.

You will most certainly lose any McLaren warranty you have with a remap. Thorney warranty with a Thorney tune would obviously be fine, but the McLaren warranty would not. Obviously if you don’t have a McLaren warranty then this won’t be an issue. Just watch out when taking it for servicing as they’d most likely flag it if they found it.

Edited by samjlevy on Tuesday 8th March 19:23

[br d]

samjlevy said:

You will most certainly lose any McLaren warranty you have with a remap. Thorney warranty with a Thorney tune would obviously be fine, but the McLaren warranty would not. Obviously if you don’t have a McLaren warranty then this won’t be an issue. Just watch out when taking it for servicing as they’d most likely flag it if they found it.

I have a Thorney remap. My 3 year warranty ran out at the end of last year, I took the car to a UK McLaren main dealer to extend it, told them about the remap, they extended the warranty, it's still remapped.

And it'll give you considerably more punch in the midrange. Whether it needs it or not is subjective of course but it's a lot of fun 4 to 6.

Edit/
It also had a full service last year while in the 3 year warranty, they didn't nuke it either.

[samjlevy]

The service centre / dealer may well say it’s fine, if something catastrophic happens (engine blows up for example) corporate will deny the claim based on the tune. All big warranty claims need to be authorised, if it’s engine or gearbox trouble I think you’d have a big task on your hands getting the warranty work authorised. Obviously if it was something like a suspension issue you’d be fine, but anything relating to the tune may be a struggle to get covered.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not adverse to tuning, my M5 is stage 2, but it doesn’t have warranty. The 720s is staying standard.

[deeps]

Streetbeat said:

Hi all, does anyone have any experience with Mcalren remaps, i am conisdering one for my 570s, both Thorney and Litchfield do one with similar results but Thorney is 3 times the price.

I'm new to 570s ownership, but before that I had Nissan Gtr's that were remapped by Litchfield. Great bunch.

Mid range power was greatly improved. They use Ecutek and offered 12 mnths warranty for an extra £1500.

How much do they charge for a stage 1 on a 570s? Do they offer a warranty too? At the moment the car is quick enough for me but interested to know the costs.

I didn't realise they dealt with Mclaren's, assume they offer servicing, maintenance too?

[anonymous-user]

br d said:

You won't lose your warranty, at least not with a Thorney remap.

Mmmmm not sure thats factually correct unless you are referring to Johns own warranties.
A non oem remap will invalidate a mclaren warranty guaranteed and if you are under a different impression I keep my fingers crossed for you becuase I wouldnt want to be the one putting it to the test with the warranty company doing anything to avoid paying out on a massive bill

[Streetbeat]

deeps said:

I'm new to 570s ownership, but before that I had Nissan Gtr's that were remapped by Litchfield. Great bunch.

Mid range power was greatly improved. They use Ecutek and offered 12 mnths warranty for an extra £1500.

How much do they charge for a stage 1 on a 570s? Do they offer a warranty too? At the moment the car is quick enough for me but interested to know the costs.

I didn't realise they dealt with Mclaren's, assume they offer servicing, maintenance too?

Litchfield map is £1000, Thorney £3000.

Litchfield do not offer warranty but they do servicing and maintenance, i guess Litchfield specialises in GTR's so offers the warranty to go with it, where as Thorney specilaise in Mclaren.

[Streetbeat]

aka_kerrly said:

Surely you must be pretty numb or used to being fired out of a cannon if you think a 570s lacks midrange

Where did i say it lacks midrange? As Carol Shelby says, horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.

I would just prefer to have the torque lower down, rather than higher up, the by product of the map is you get a bit more of it, think 620r, rather than remapped 570s.

[br d]

Curledge said:

Mmmmm not sure thats factually correct unless you are referring to Johns own warranties.
A non oem remap will invalidate a mclaren warranty guaranteed and if you are under a different impression I keep my fingers crossed for you becuase I wouldnt want to be the one putting it to the test with the warranty company doing anything to avoid paying out on a massive bill

I was told specifically...

Any how, not worth disagreeing over, its moot now as the car is going back to Mclaren and they will certainly wipe it before selling it on.

Probably shouldn't have rushed into the extended warranty though!

[Guyr]

br d said:

Curledge said:

A non oem remap will invalidate a mclaren warranty guaranteed and if you are under a different impression I keep my fingers crossed for you becuase I wouldnt want to be the one putting it to the test with the warranty company doing anything to avoid paying out on a massive bill

I was told specifically...

Unless you have that in writing on dealer paperwork from an authorised person it's utterly worthless.

I once took a modified Porsche for warranty work at an OPC and they downloaded the ecu, sent the contents to Reading to get authorisation to revoke the work and accidentally blanked the entire ecu in the process (which is how I found out)

[Swift93]

br d said:

I have a Thorney remap. My 3 year warranty ran out at the end of last year, I took the car to a UK McLaren main dealer to extend it, told them about the remap, they extended the warranty, it's still remapped.

And it'll give you considerably more punch in the midrange. Whether it needs it or not is subjective of course but it's a lot of fun 4 to 6.

Edit/
It also had a full service last year while in the 3 year warranty, they didn't nuke it either.

Here is a response from a contact at McLaren North America. I presume their views might be applied to all cars regardless of location.

"We are well aware that there were a couple McLaren retailers that were allowing some cars to slide by with modifications. However, we feel we have done a pretty thorough job of cracking-down on these particular retailers in the last year and flagging numerous cars, but if you hear of any instance that we should take a closer look at, please do let me know. We do everything we can to ensure that any modified or abused cars be flagged and that any new potential owners be informed prior to their purchase of those cars whenever possible. Obviously we can’t catch them all, but we will always investigate every situation and do everything we can to protect new owners and the reputation of the McLaren brand."

[david-j8694]

Streetbeat said:

aka_kerrly said:

Surely you must be pretty numb or used to being fired out of a cannon if you think a 570s lacks midrange

Where did i say it lacks midrange? As Carol Shelby says, horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.

I would just prefer to have the torque lower down, rather than higher up, the by product of the map is you get a bit more of it, think 620r, rather than remapped 570s.

Very true. I wonder where all the twin turbo diesel supercars are...

[12pack]

david-j8694 said:

Very true. I wonder where all the twin turbo diesel supercars are...

though I guess the EV supercars are on their way.

Torque certainly wins drag races, but apart from the start its brakes and the grip in, and out of corners (a.k.a aero and weight/distribution), and then a bit about speed in the straights (a.k.a aero and hp).

But certainly the Super Series torque lower down and then thrilling progression all the way through to redline is different from the Sport series, which in addition to the mid range doesn't quite have the explosion to the redline. But you'd only notice in back-to-back drives.

[Streetbeat]

david-j8694 said:

Very true. I wonder where all the twin turbo diesel supercars are...

Mostly winning at LeMans, until they went hybrid

Edited by Streetbeat on Wednesday 23 March 16:44

[david-j8694]

Streetbeat said:

Mostly winning at LeMans, until they went hybrid

Edited by Streetbeat on Wednesday 23 March 16:44

Which diesel supercars won at Le Mans?