Michelin PS4's instead of Pirelli P Zero's

[Abacus21]

Anyone swop over?

Was it worth doing? I am running some P Zero's but have hated that tyre on all previous cars. I dont know if the great suspension is masking how bad these tyres are.

I have about 7mm on all of them but feels a waste to get rid of them. They came with the car I bought 2 months ago. 12 c .

[Fezzamania]

I know the Michelins get high praise from all and maybe the better tyre but unless u r Lewis Hamilton would u really notice on the road????
I also dont believe Mclaren or any supercar manufacturer would totally compromise their package over a £1000 of tyres.
Pirelli don't make bad tyres so with 7mm on them I would wait and swap them for miichelins at 3mm petsonally

[Northernboy]

Abacus21 said:

Anyone swop over?

Was it worth doing? I am running some P Zero's but have hated that tyre on all previous cars. I dont know if the great suspension is masking how bad these tyres are.

I have about 7mm on all of them but feels a waste to get rid of them. They came with the car I bought 2 months ago. 12 c .

Yes, and it’s been night and day difference.

Feel, feedback, grip, performance over the limit of adhesion, Ackerman judder, everything is much better on the PS4S.

The Pirellis weren’t new, but they had a huge amount of tread left, and they really weren’t pleasant to use.

I’ve kept them, as I believe that they are fine in warm weather and when worked hard, so will put them back on for a track day, but I’ll not likely try them again otherwise.

[footsoldier]

Fezzamania said:

I know the Michelins get high praise from all and maybe the better tyre but unless u r Lewis Hamilton would u really notice on the road????

it's actually the other way round - the Michelins are not going to be as good on a racetrack, but on the road when you won't be driving like LH, they are much better. Better ride comfort, more grip in wet and especially cold conditions.
The Pirellis are nice when warmed up on a hot sunny day, the Michelins are better every other day.
My guess is there would be a lot less accidents if manufactures stopped fitting PZeros and Cup2s etc to 'everyday' road cars.

[Northernboy]

Fezzamania said:

I know the Michelins get high praise from all and maybe the better tyre but unless u r Lewis Hamilton would u really notice on the road????

Yes.

If I applied too much throttle at 90mph in cool damp conditions the Pirelli’s just broke away. I couldn’t hey them into their operating window unless I really worked at it whereas the Michelins are up to temperature in a few minutes without needing to do anything to get them there.

As in the post above, I didn’t find it to be a nip and a tuck between them, my 650s was just awful in October on the Pirelli’s, a completely different machine once I’d switched.

[Fezzamania]

Well I stand corrected and im obviously not a race car driver like everyone else.
Then again i dont really see myself doing 90 mph on a A or B road or motorway to be fair. That would be tabloid headlines in my case if I ever got caught

[Northernboy]

Fezzamania said:

Well I stand corrected and im obviously not a race car driver like everyone else.
Then again i dont really see myself doing 90 mph on a A or B road or motorway to be fair. That would be tabloid headlines in my case if I ever got caught

90mph on a deserted dual carriageway isn’t going to make the papers, and you don’t need to be a racing driver to notice the awful banging juddering noise while turning it around in the garage on the Pirellis.

[Rocketreid]

To a degree it depends if they are the latest P Zero4 which are much better.

In any event the Michelin’s are a better cool and wet weather tyre as the Pirelli’s require a lot of heat to perform.

I have used both as well as Trofeo R and Cup 2’s on my Macs.

If you only have one set of wheels then the Michelin’s are the best all round tyre without being exceptional in any one area

[Pioneer]

Northernboy said:

Yes, and it’s been night and day difference.

Feel, feedback, grip, performance over the limit of adhesion, Ackerman judder, everything is much better on the PS4S.

The Pirellis weren’t new, but they had a huge amount of tread left, and they really weren’t pleasant to use.

Exactly the same as my experience. Swapped the Pirellis out for the MPS4S about 6-7 weeks ago. Using on a 2018 570S Spider. For the UK climate, these are the ones.

[Abacus21]

Thorney speaks highly of the Goodyear F1 Supersport on his McLaren you tube channel. Apparently close if not identical to PS4's he says.

They come in at £200 cheaper then PS4s too.

I am curious what setting do you put the tyre brand on the menu system on the dashboard?

[12pack]

Fezzamania said:

Well I stand corrected and im obviously not a race car driver like everyone else.
Then again i dont really see myself doing 90 mph on a A or B road or motorway to be fair. That would be tabloid headlines in my case if I ever got caught

As others have said, it’s about the usability in non ideal conditions, at any speed. But Pzeros should be fine for your virtual 675, which I guess is what you are famous for?

Edited by 12pack on Sunday 18th July 12:36

[Northernboy]

Fezzamania said:

Well I stand corrected and im obviously not a race car driver like everyone else.
Then again i dont really see myself doing 90 mph on a A or B road or motorway to be fair. That would be tabloid headlines in my case if I ever got caught

Which car have you tried them both on? I’ve seen quite a few posts from you looking down on some very nice ones, and talking about how you intend to buy a 675LT, but I don’t remember you saying what you actually do have at the moment.

Just here you’ve tried to take the piss out of someone giving real-world experience of tyres on a McLaren, to try to help the OP of the thread, and you’ve suggested that according to you the difference is smaller, so come in, give it up, what cars do you have, and which of them did you compare these tyres on?

I’m half wondering at this point of you’re a kid with a Golf (fine car, definitely nothing wrong with one) playing at being a supercar owner.

[Fezzamania]

12pack said:

As others have said, it’s about the usability in non ideal conditions, at any speed. But Pzeros should be fine for your virtual 675, which I guess is what you are famous for?

Edited by 12pack on Sunday 18th July 12:36

If you could magic me up a 675LT I would take it on Hankooks

[Northernboy]

Fezzamania said:

If you could magic me up a 675LT I would take it on Hankooks

Here you go.

I think Ascot's closed now, but they'll be happy to take your deposit over the phone tomorrow.

https://preowned.mclaren.com/eu/gb/en/vehicles/mcl...

[Fezzamania]

Northernboy said:

Which car have you tried them both on? I’ve seen quite a few posts from you looking down on some very nice ones, and talking about how you intend to buy a 675LT, but I don’t remember you saying what you actually do have at the moment.

Just here you’ve tried to take the piss out of someone giving real-world experience of tyres on a McLaren, to try to help the OP of the thread, and you’ve suggested that according to you the difference is smaller, so come in, give it up, what cars do you have, and which of them did you compare these tyres on?

I’m half wondering at this point of you’re a kid with a Golf (fine car, definitely nothing wrong with one) playing at being a supercar owner.

I dont doubt the Michelins are better than the Pirellis from the feedback from owners that have run both but I dont believe the difference is night and day for the average driver on road.
Mclaren surely would not compromise all their good work only to ruin it with tyre choice

[Northernboy]

Fezzamania said:

I dont doubt the Michelins are better than the Pirellis from the feedback from owners that have run both but I dont believe the difference is night and day for the average driver on road.
Mclaren surely would not compromise all their good work only to ruin it with tyre choice

So you're avoiding answering the question then, and suggesting again that you've not ran both on a similar car.

What's the story here; you are arguing against people's real life experiences based, it seems, on nothing at all but your own thought process.

Surely you understand though that McLaren's position in F1, for whom Pirelli is the only tyre supplier might play a role here.

Now, why so coy about what car you drive? This is a car forum, for car enthusiasts, where people are generally very happy to be open and honest about their cars. I find it unlikely that you are about to buy a 675LT as your fist car, so what is it going to be replacing?

[Fezzamania]

Northernboy said:

So you're avoiding answering the question then, and suggesting again that you've not ran both on a similar car.

What's the story here; you are arguing against people's real life experiences based, it seems, on nothing at all but your own thought process.

Surely you understand though that McLaren's position in F1, for whom Pirelli is the only tyre supplier might play a role here.

Now, why so coy about what car you drive? This is a car forum, for car enthusiasts, where people are generally very happy to be open and honest about their cars. I find it unlikely that you are about to buy a 675LT as your fist car, so what is it going to be replacing?

I'm purely expressing an opinion on the marginal amount of difference between 2 premium tyres for normal safe use on public roads.
I dint profess to be an expert or race driver so bow to those with greater knowledge/experience.

As to justifying my car history or my impending supercar purchase requiring yours or PHs approval that is something I was unaware of.

Guess it must be in the T & Cs somewhere.

[davek_964]

Since you haven't tried either, you don't know it's 'marginal'.

It isn't.

Your assumption that you'd have to be driving at 9/10ths on a public road to notice is wrong.

You're considering (supposedly) buying a car with either 675 or 720 hp. Try accelerating reasonably hard in either car on less that perfectly dry perfectly warm roads and you notice the difference very quickly.

Edited by davek_964 on Sunday 18th July 16:47

[Smoothound]

I can't comment on Pzero's on a Mclaren as My 540 came with Michelins already fitted and they were spot on! My Cayman S prior to this was woeful on the Pzero's and I switched to the Michelins pretty quick. Prior to that both my Focus RS's had Michelins as standard as does my new GR Yaris so there is a bit of a theme here for me at least!

[Northernboy]

Fezzamania said:

I'm purely expressing an opinion on the marginal amount of difference between 2 premium tyres for normal safe use on public roads.
I dint profess to be an expert or race driver so bow to those with greater knowledge/experience.

As to justifying my car history or my impending supercar purchase requiring yours or PHs approval that is something I was unaware of.

Guess it must be in the T & Cs somewhere.

It’s not, but I think it’s safe to put you down as a bit of a dreamer at this point. You have said you’d buy a 675 if one were available, but there hasn’t been any time recently when there weren’t at least a couple for sale. What’ll it be now, they aren’t the right colour?

Have you actually spoken with Alastair Bols to ask him to source you one?