570S as a daily driver?
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Hi everyone
New here but have really enjoyed reading some of the recent experiences/postings on the forum.
I'm about to take my first dive into supercar ownership, and I'm massively tempted by a 570s Spider. Spending most of the weekend reading and watching various reviews has done absolutely nothing to dampen my enthusiasm, but if I make the jump I'll be selling my current car and I'm still left wondering how many other people use these (or any other McLaren) as a daily driver?
I've done my research and I'm going in with my eyes open with regard to fuel/servicing/warranty costs, and having had 2-seaters before I'm aware of the obvious compromises with regard to passanger/luggage space. I did close to 80,000 miles in a TVR Chimera in the 90s and although people told me I was completely mad it never let me down mechanically (the speedo/fuel guage was another matter...
). I'm not thinking of that kind of mileage with the 570, but how many other people here are using their McLaren daily and doing 10-15,000 miles a year? Anything else I should be aware of before I give in to temptation and hand over the cash?
Thanks in advance.
New here but have really enjoyed reading some of the recent experiences/postings on the forum.
I'm about to take my first dive into supercar ownership, and I'm massively tempted by a 570s Spider. Spending most of the weekend reading and watching various reviews has done absolutely nothing to dampen my enthusiasm, but if I make the jump I'll be selling my current car and I'm still left wondering how many other people use these (or any other McLaren) as a daily driver?
I've done my research and I'm going in with my eyes open with regard to fuel/servicing/warranty costs, and having had 2-seaters before I'm aware of the obvious compromises with regard to passanger/luggage space. I did close to 80,000 miles in a TVR Chimera in the 90s and although people told me I was completely mad it never let me down mechanically (the speedo/fuel guage was another matter...
). I'm not thinking of that kind of mileage with the 570, but how many other people here are using their McLaren daily and doing 10-15,000 miles a year? Anything else I should be aware of before I give in to temptation and hand over the cash?Thanks in advance.
Similar post answered yesterday, but :
I bought my 650 as a semi daily driver - but it quickly became my 99% daily driver. In the first 7 months, I did around 7k miles. Lockdown has restricted my miles this year, since I WFH.
I think it's the best daily car I've had - very comfortable, very easy to drive - but still capable of much more. When I bought mine, I had two other cars - I sold one last year, and intended to replace it - but because I use the 650 so often (and am WFH still) I didn't bother. I doubt I will bother replacing the 3rd car while I've got the 650 - because I'm not even using my second car, despite it being much better suited in theory to winter weather.
It sounds like you're aware of the costs and potential issues - if so, I can't think of any reason not to.
I bought my 650 as a semi daily driver - but it quickly became my 99% daily driver. In the first 7 months, I did around 7k miles. Lockdown has restricted my miles this year, since I WFH.
I think it's the best daily car I've had - very comfortable, very easy to drive - but still capable of much more. When I bought mine, I had two other cars - I sold one last year, and intended to replace it - but because I use the 650 so often (and am WFH still) I didn't bother. I doubt I will bother replacing the 3rd car while I've got the 650 - because I'm not even using my second car, despite it being much better suited in theory to winter weather.
It sounds like you're aware of the costs and potential issues - if so, I can't think of any reason not to.
The cars that are used the most regular seem to have the least amount of issues. These cars like to be used. And what makes a car a good daily, or more what makes a car not great as a daily?
Visibility is very good, the A and B pillars don't need to be that wide as you've got the carbon tub for rigidity.
Fuel Economy isn't great, but as expected.
Luggage space up front is pretty good for a mid-engined supercar, can get quite a bit in them
Ensure you get one with lift, then speed humps and car park ramps won't be an issue.
If you come across one that has PPF, see that as a big plus, putting that sort of mileage on it would be good to remove the risk of stone chips. If not maybe factor getting it done, probably looking at £4-5k
Tyres - the PZero's are rubbish, if you're using it all year round either pick up an extra set of wheels up and put a set of winters on them, or replace the PZero's with PS4s, they're so much better in damp, cold weather.
Visibility is very good, the A and B pillars don't need to be that wide as you've got the carbon tub for rigidity.
Fuel Economy isn't great, but as expected.
Luggage space up front is pretty good for a mid-engined supercar, can get quite a bit in them
Ensure you get one with lift, then speed humps and car park ramps won't be an issue.
If you come across one that has PPF, see that as a big plus, putting that sort of mileage on it would be good to remove the risk of stone chips. If not maybe factor getting it done, probably looking at £4-5k
Tyres - the PZero's are rubbish, if you're using it all year round either pick up an extra set of wheels up and put a set of winters on them, or replace the PZero's with PS4s, they're so much better in damp, cold weather.
AstonExige720 said:
The cars that are used the most regular seem to have the least amount of issues. These cars like to be used. And what makes a car a good daily, or more what makes a car not great as a daily?
Visibility is very good, the A and B pillars don't need to be that wide as you've got the carbon tub for rigidity.
Fuel Economy isn't great, but as expected.
Luggage space up front is pretty good for a mid-engined supercar, can get quite a bit in them
Ensure you get one with lift, then speed humps and car park ramps won't be an issue.
If you come across one that has PPF, see that as a big plus, putting that sort of mileage on it would be good to remove the risk of stone chips. If not maybe factor getting it done, probably looking at £4-5k
Tyres - the PZero's are rubbish, if you're using it all year round either pick up an extra set of wheels up and put a set of winters on them, or replace the PZero's with PS4s, they're so much better in damp, cold weather.
Fuel economy is excellent. On the motorway better than almost any car I have ever owned and that includes 'normal' cars. I usually get around 32-33mpg on the m-way but can get up to 40mpg. Overall average over 5k miles on my 675LT is 24mpg. My 12C was the almost as economical within 2mpg.Visibility is very good, the A and B pillars don't need to be that wide as you've got the carbon tub for rigidity.
Fuel Economy isn't great, but as expected.
Luggage space up front is pretty good for a mid-engined supercar, can get quite a bit in them
Ensure you get one with lift, then speed humps and car park ramps won't be an issue.
If you come across one that has PPF, see that as a big plus, putting that sort of mileage on it would be good to remove the risk of stone chips. If not maybe factor getting it done, probably looking at £4-5k
Tyres - the PZero's are rubbish, if you're using it all year round either pick up an extra set of wheels up and put a set of winters on them, or replace the PZero's with PS4s, they're so much better in damp, cold weather.
Fuel economy is something I just don't understand with these cars. I know Justin also gets very decent mpg with his 540 - but I average around 13mpg on the 650, and even on long journeys at legal speeds I'm generally in the high teens rather than the mid 20s.
If I remember correctly, I got similar with the 540 I had for a few weeks - so I guess it's my driving that's the issue rather than the car.
If I remember correctly, I got similar with the 540 I had for a few weeks - so I guess it's my driving that's the issue rather than the car.
davek_964 said:
Fuel economy is something I just don't understand with these cars. I know Justin also gets very decent mpg with his 540 - but I average around 13mpg on the 650, and even on long journeys at legal speeds I'm generally in the high teens rather than the mid 20s.
If I remember correctly, I got similar with the 540 I had for a few weeks - so I guess it's my driving that's the issue rather than the car.
I know many owners get good MPG from the 12C and even better from the 675LT which for some bizarre seems to be the most economical McLaren. However the 650S and 570S never seem to fare as well. Perhaps its something to do with their mapping. Its probably just a bi-product of the tune i wold not think it was intentional. The 12C has some turbo lag so when driving at French Autorotes at 135kph the engine seems to be just off boost and was very economical, I can only assume the 675LT is the same but not had mine in France only UK M-ways. The 650S and 570S must have boost at lower RPM's which seems to be the case when I have driven them as they seem to have a bit more torque at low RPM that makes them fun at lower speeds but obviously to the detriment of cruising MPG. Just a thought. Or perhaps its just my driving style as can be seen from my 981 Spyder MPG below over a 3,000 mile road trip including all the passes in the Dolomite's and lapping the Nurburgring. If I remember correctly, I got similar with the 540 I had for a few weeks - so I guess it's my driving that's the issue rather than the car.
Thanks for the replies, fuel economy wasn't really a concern, but some of those MPG figures are impressive (although I know several people that regard their sub-20 MPG readings as a badge of honour .
I honestly didn't need much convincing but these replies have given me the last little bit of reassurance I needed. About to begin negoitiations on a lovely 2018 570S that is currently pining for its new owner in Ascot...
. I honestly didn't need much convincing but these replies have given me the last little bit of reassurance I needed. About to begin negoitiations on a lovely 2018 570S that is currently pining for its new owner in Ascot...
Going to Glasgow with the average speed cameras, my 650 averaged 30+ mpg easily, but that was with roof up and settings in normal.
Drop the roof and alter the settings it would drop to mid to late 20's.
My first journey of 400miles upon buying it averaged 33mpg coming home.
Low 20s if cutting about down and less if caning it.
Drop the roof and alter the settings it would drop to mid to late 20's.
My first journey of 400miles upon buying it averaged 33mpg coming home.
Low 20s if cutting about down and less if caning it.
570S makes a fab daily driver. I have driven 12,000 miles in my 570S and 4,000 miles in my Golf CSS this year!
Upsides:
- Always a joy to jump in the car. Even going to the dentist is something to look forward to!
- Quiet and comfortable.
- Fun.
- Perfectly practical.
- Fuel efficient!
Downsides:
- Parking requires some thought. Small bays can cause issues with access due to the doors.
- Ticket booths (toll roads, car parks etc) can be a PITA.
Upsides:
- Always a joy to jump in the car. Even going to the dentist is something to look forward to!
- Quiet and comfortable.
- Fun.
- Perfectly practical.
- Fuel efficient!
Downsides:
- Parking requires some thought. Small bays can cause issues with access due to the doors.
- Ticket booths (toll roads, car parks etc) can be a PITA.
I think we all know that the McLaren's USP is its ability to change characters. From my own experience and from everyone else that has posted we all know that when on a long motorway slog in normal or with active panel off most McLarens will return 30+MPG. When you arrive at the twisties you can activate the panel and go into sport / track modes and then consumption will fall into the teens but the smiles per mile increases considerably.
The difference between driving 2,000 miles to the alps and back on dull French autoroutes at 15-20mpg in an Italian car at 2 euro's a litre compared to 30+ mpg in a McLaren is what makes them unique and why you see so many McLarens with 30k+ miles on the clock, they get trailered to Europe a lot less than other supercars. That split personality makes McLaren's very usable and even sensible compared to other exotics.
No other supercar offers that ability to change depending on what you need it to do. My 12C was the most comfortable and economical touring car I have owned with loads of luggage space and while it wasn't my 'daily driver' it got used a lot and actually did more miles than my 'daily driver', 14k miles in 2.5 years.
The difference between driving 2,000 miles to the alps and back on dull French autoroutes at 15-20mpg in an Italian car at 2 euro's a litre compared to 30+ mpg in a McLaren is what makes them unique and why you see so many McLarens with 30k+ miles on the clock, they get trailered to Europe a lot less than other supercars. That split personality makes McLaren's very usable and even sensible compared to other exotics.
No other supercar offers that ability to change depending on what you need it to do. My 12C was the most comfortable and economical touring car I have owned with loads of luggage space and while it wasn't my 'daily driver' it got used a lot and actually did more miles than my 'daily driver', 14k miles in 2.5 years.
Fantastic feedback, thanks all.
My negitiations are ongoing, alas the dealer in question seems unwilling to budge from the initial asking price, despite it being over 5% above the detailed Parkers valuation for the car. I know that (like anything else) cars are only worth what someone is willing to pay for them but Parkers has stood me in good stead in the past and the 570's being offered by other main dealers elsewhere seem to be much more in line.
The search continues!
My negitiations are ongoing, alas the dealer in question seems unwilling to budge from the initial asking price, despite it being over 5% above the detailed Parkers valuation for the car. I know that (like anything else) cars are only worth what someone is willing to pay for them but Parkers has stood me in good stead in the past and the 570's being offered by other main dealers elsewhere seem to be much more in line.
The search continues!
Jules54 said:
Fantastic feedback, thanks all.
My negitiations are ongoing, alas the dealer in question seems unwilling to budge from the initial asking price, despite it being over 5% above the detailed Parkers valuation for the car. I know that (like anything else) cars are only worth what someone is willing to pay for them but Parkers has stood me in good stead in the past and the 570's being offered by other main dealers elsewhere seem to be much more in line.
The search continues!
I'm not sure Parkers usually works for cars like this. Although if other main dealers have similar cars for less, that is more representative.My negitiations are ongoing, alas the dealer in question seems unwilling to budge from the initial asking price, despite it being over 5% above the detailed Parkers valuation for the car. I know that (like anything else) cars are only worth what someone is willing to pay for them but Parkers has stood me in good stead in the past and the 570's being offered by other main dealers elsewhere seem to be much more in line.
The search continues!
I bought from the same dealer, and didn't get much flexibility with price - but was part exchanging two cars so had limited negotiating power. I did (and do) think I probably paid a tad over for the car, and reckon it would have cost me £10k less overall if I'd sold my cars separately.
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