765LT viewing & pics
Discussion
I had a private viewing of the 765LT last week. I spent almost 3 hours with, and discussing, the car.
Short version: 765LT is stunning in the carbon, and spending proper time with it “alone” in a quiet showroom environment let’s you appreciate the details more and more as you inspect it. It is stunning, especially from the view other road users will see - the rear.
Shane Harman & team have done a stellar job with the car (really nice guy btw). It is clear that they made every sensible performance enhancement they could, whilst keeping the cost reasonable as a super series car.
The things that looked odd in pictures look great in the carbon eg rear CF blades.
Basically 720S reaction again, as often with McLarens, where the more you see the design, the more you grow to love it.
Speaking with Shane and others at McLaren who have driven it, it is clear there was a huge focus on visceral feel and emotion when driving the car.
I won’t repeat the press release information as there is no point. I didn’t bother discuss that known information anyway.
The interior looks very different from 720S just because of the Senna seats, which work much better in 720S than 600LT. Super comfortable as in the Senna. I’d certainly have those.
Louvres are aesthetically essential in my opinion.
Roof scoop on a coupe is a must-have as it transforms the look of the car, in my opinion.
I love that rear wing. Looks very purposeful & noticeably bigger.
There are misconceptions about the weight. I can confirm that McLaren compared standard 765LT to standard 720S weights, to calculate the 80kg saving. I have a full breakdown. This is great because it means a 765LT optioned with additional weight saving options will be even lighter, and save far more than 80kg (vs a standard 720S).
Note that the rear wing is in the fully lowered position in all my pics. When raised, it obscures a lot of the rear view. With airbrake deployed, there is zero rear visibility. It’s a very aggressive wing.
Short version: 765LT is stunning in the carbon, and spending proper time with it “alone” in a quiet showroom environment let’s you appreciate the details more and more as you inspect it. It is stunning, especially from the view other road users will see - the rear.
Shane Harman & team have done a stellar job with the car (really nice guy btw). It is clear that they made every sensible performance enhancement they could, whilst keeping the cost reasonable as a super series car.
The things that looked odd in pictures look great in the carbon eg rear CF blades.
Basically 720S reaction again, as often with McLarens, where the more you see the design, the more you grow to love it.
Speaking with Shane and others at McLaren who have driven it, it is clear there was a huge focus on visceral feel and emotion when driving the car.
I won’t repeat the press release information as there is no point. I didn’t bother discuss that known information anyway.
The interior looks very different from 720S just because of the Senna seats, which work much better in 720S than 600LT. Super comfortable as in the Senna. I’d certainly have those.
Louvres are aesthetically essential in my opinion.
Roof scoop on a coupe is a must-have as it transforms the look of the car, in my opinion.
I love that rear wing. Looks very purposeful & noticeably bigger.
There are misconceptions about the weight. I can confirm that McLaren compared standard 765LT to standard 720S weights, to calculate the 80kg saving. I have a full breakdown. This is great because it means a 765LT optioned with additional weight saving options will be even lighter, and save far more than 80kg (vs a standard 720S).
Note that the rear wing is in the fully lowered position in all my pics. When raised, it obscures a lot of the rear view. With airbrake deployed, there is zero rear visibility. It’s a very aggressive wing.
Edited by LotusJas on Sunday 8th March 20:43
LotusJas said:
I had a private viewing of the 765LT last week. I spent almost 3 hours with, and discussing, the car.
Short version: 765LT is stunning in the carbon, and spending proper time with it “alone” in a quiet showroom environment let’s you appreciate the details more and more as you inspect it. It is stunning, especially from the view other road users will see - the rear.
Shane Harman & team have done a stellar job with the car (really nice guy btw). It is clear that they made every sensible performance enhancement they could, whilst keeping the cost reasonable as a super series car.
The things that looked odd in pictures look great in the carbon eg rear CF blades.
Basically 720S reaction again, as often with McLarens, where the more you see the design, the more you grow to love it.
Speaking with Shane and others at McLaren who have driven it, it is clear there was a huge focus on visceral feel and emotion when driving the car.
I won’t repeat the press release information as there is no point. I didn’t bother discuss that known information anyway.
The interior looks very different from 720S just because of the Senna seats, which work much better in 720S than 600LT. Super comfortable as in the Senna. I’d certainly have those.
Louvres are aesthetically essential in my opinion.
Roof scoop on a coupe is a must-have as it transforms the look of the car, in my opinion.
I love that rear wing. Looks very purposeful & noticeably bigger.
There are misconceptions about the weight. I can confirm that McLaren compared standard 765LT to standard 720S weights, to calculate the 80kg saving. I have a full breakdown. This is great because it means a 765LT optioned with additional weight saving options will be even lighter, and save far more than 80kg (vs a standard 720S).
Note that the rear wing is in the fully lowered position in all my pics. When raised, it obscures a lot of the rear view. With airbrake deployed, there is zero rear visibility. It’s a very aggressive wing.
No doubt a stellar car and the aero will be imo be the piece de resistance.Short version: 765LT is stunning in the carbon, and spending proper time with it “alone” in a quiet showroom environment let’s you appreciate the details more and more as you inspect it. It is stunning, especially from the view other road users will see - the rear.
Shane Harman & team have done a stellar job with the car (really nice guy btw). It is clear that they made every sensible performance enhancement they could, whilst keeping the cost reasonable as a super series car.
The things that looked odd in pictures look great in the carbon eg rear CF blades.
Basically 720S reaction again, as often with McLarens, where the more you see the design, the more you grow to love it.
Speaking with Shane and others at McLaren who have driven it, it is clear there was a huge focus on visceral feel and emotion when driving the car.
I won’t repeat the press release information as there is no point. I didn’t bother discuss that known information anyway.
The interior looks very different from 720S just because of the Senna seats, which work much better in 720S than 600LT. Super comfortable as in the Senna. I’d certainly have those.
Louvres are aesthetically essential in my opinion.
Roof scoop on a coupe is a must-have as it transforms the look of the car, in my opinion.
I love that rear wing. Looks very purposeful & noticeably bigger.
There are misconceptions about the weight. I can confirm that McLaren compared standard 765LT to standard 720S weights, to calculate the 80kg saving. I have a full breakdown. This is great because it means a 765LT optioned with additional weight saving options will be even lighter, and save far more than 80kg (vs a standard 720S).
Note that the rear wing is in the fully lowered position in all my pics. When raised, it obscures a lot of the rear view. With airbrake deployed, there is zero rear visibility. It’s a very aggressive wing.
Edited by LotusJas on Sunday 8th March 20:43
Although from a weight perspective a 720S will come in at under 1,283 kg dry and light with the 765LT dry and light at 1,229. Splitting hairs maybe but the precise difference is 54kg, although we know of course people add weight with the options list.
It is on track where this car will be at its best as a rapier with power likely to be over 800bhp and all that downforce. Can’t see any road car other than a Senna coming close .
Rocketreid said:
No doubt a stellar car and the aero will be imo be the piece de resistance.
Although from a weight perspective a 720S will come in at under 1,283 kg dry and light with the 765LT dry and light at 1,229. Splitting hairs maybe but the precise difference is 54kg, although we know of course people add weight with the options list.
It is on track where this car will be at its best as a rapier with power likely to be over 800bhp and all that downforce. Can’t see any road car other than a Senna coming close .
It is genuinely 80kg less than 720S, standard car to standard car. I've got the full breakdown in fact. They reduced it by 85kg in fact, but added back 5kg with the Senna calipers and double fuel pumps.Although from a weight perspective a 720S will come in at under 1,283 kg dry and light with the 765LT dry and light at 1,229. Splitting hairs maybe but the precise difference is 54kg, although we know of course people add weight with the options list.
It is on track where this car will be at its best as a rapier with power likely to be over 800bhp and all that downforce. Can’t see any road car other than a Senna coming close .
That's real DIN weights (not dry weights, as some manufacturers use).
You can of course save even more weight by opting for pricey options like Senna seats.
It should out-accelerate a Senna all the way to top speed. But a Senna will be quicker on any fast track where downforce plays more of a role.
LotusJas said:
It is genuinely 80kg less than 720S, standard car to standard car. I've got the full breakdown in fact. They reduced it by 85kg in fact, but added back 5kg with the Senna calipers and double fuel pumps.
That's real DIN weights (not dry weights, as some manufacturers use).
You can of course save even more weight by opting for pricey options like Senna seats.
It should out-accelerate a Senna all the way to top speed. But a Senna will be quicker on any fast track where downforce plays more of a role.
McLaren’s own dry/lightest figures show 1,229 v 1,283, so as I said 54kg 👍🏽That's real DIN weights (not dry weights, as some manufacturers use).
You can of course save even more weight by opting for pricey options like Senna seats.
It should out-accelerate a Senna all the way to top speed. But a Senna will be quicker on any fast track where downforce plays more of a role.
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LotusJas said:
Your own data above shows 80kg saved.
Use the DIN weights, which are the recognised standard European standard for measurement and accurate comparison.
No it shows 54kg dry lightest !!Use the DIN weights, which are the recognised standard European standard for measurement and accurate comparison.
Wet is not necessarily an exact indicator as 720S May have a larger capacity of fluids etc
SSO said:
The Senna seats do look good in the LT Coupe. How hard are they to get in an out of in a 765? Same as the Senna?
Yes, exactly the same as Senna. And sitting in them in Senna and 765LT feels identical, and right.Getting in and out of 600LT with Senna seats is noticeably more awkward.
The LMP style doors on Senna and 765LT make the difference in ingress/egress, and the more open cabin suits them better too.
I found them very comfortable, although standard 720S seats are of course more comfortable. To make sure I'd really need to sit in them for hours though, in a moving car.
LotusJas said:
You keep using dry weights. These are meaningless. You drive the car *with* fluids.
Of course it’s not meaningless !!Anyway a 90% wet could one mean one car with 75 litres of fuel and another one with with 50
ie: they may have differing fluid tank size etc . So if the 765 fuel tank is less, then it’s 90% will be less and this could account for 25kg or so
The point is if the 720S and 765 have identical fluids then the weight difference can not be 80kg the dry / light weight is the most accurate statistic if you wish to calculate what has been taken out of the 720S
The DIN is purely a regulatory requirement
In the grand scheme it is hardly that relevant
LotusJas said:
Here is the breakdown to prove the weight reduction.
-85kg
+5kg
Net -80kg
There seems to be some ambiguity here.-85kg
+5kg
Net -80kg
Mclaren are stating that the 720S weighs 1419kg DIN and that the 765LT weighs 1339kg DIN and so 80kg difference.
The 720S at 1419kg is a bit of a unicorn all the cars tested by magazines weighed more than this.
The 1419kg 720S is in the lightest spec and has the bucket seats and 10 spoke super lightweight wheels.
In the Mclaren summary above they are taking the bucket seat weight off again and they reckon -22kg for the wheel/tyre/Ti lug nuts.
The seats I've no idea what is going on but the LT wheels seem to be being compared to the standard fit cast wheels which as I say are not what was fitted to the 1419kg 720S.
I'm sure there are not many anoraks who have weighed their 720S DIN (ie brimmed with fuel (actually supposed to be 90%) .
Mine weighed in at 1459kg and is quite a light spec, manual sports seats, manual steering column, stock stereo, 10 spokers but I guess in addition to the 1419kg car I have the front lift, parking sensors/camera, PPF.
Rocketreid said:
Of course it’s not meaningless !!
Anyway a 90% wet could one mean one car with 75 litres of fuel and another one with with 50
ie: they may have differing fluid tank size etc . So if the 765 fuel tank is less, then it’s 90% will be less and this could account for 25kg or so
The point is if the 720S and 765 have identical fluids then the weight difference can not be 80kg the dry / light weight is the most accurate statistic if you wish to calculate what has been taken out of the 720S
The DIN is purely a regulatory requirement
In the grand scheme it is hardly that relevant
I find it relevant because dry weights never seem to correspond between cars when they are tested with fluids so are pretty meaningless and I suspect dubious in some instances.Anyway a 90% wet could one mean one car with 75 litres of fuel and another one with with 50
ie: they may have differing fluid tank size etc . So if the 765 fuel tank is less, then it’s 90% will be less and this could account for 25kg or so
The point is if the 720S and 765 have identical fluids then the weight difference can not be 80kg the dry / light weight is the most accurate statistic if you wish to calculate what has been taken out of the 720S
The DIN is purely a regulatory requirement
In the grand scheme it is hardly that relevant
A punter can't really weigh their car in dry weight mode but it is much easier to do a DIN measurement.
TB993tt said:
I find it relevant because dry weights never seem to correspond between cars when they are tested with fluids so are pretty meaningless and I suspect dubious in some instances.
A punter can't really weigh their car in dry weight mode but it is much easier to do a DIN measurement.
Yes but comparing manufacturer declared weight to manufacturer declared weight in theory should be relevant as the 2 should be directly comparable. If one is off, hopefully the other is also off by the same amount. A punter can't really weigh their car in dry weight mode but it is much easier to do a DIN measurement.
Dry weight is 1229 vs 1283 in lightest declated spec for the 765 vs the 720. The 765 has aircon/audio taken out so should be added back for a 'like for like' comparison to see what the 'true' weight saving is. I'm guessing it'll be around 40-ish kg given vaguely similar specs (the 675 to 650 was about 65-ish iirc)
LotusJas said:
Here is the breakdown to prove the weight reduction.
-85kg
+5kg
Net -80kg
you could get the majority of those weight savings for about £6k -85kg
+5kg
Net -80kg
lighter wheels - £4k
carbon seats - £2k
ac removal - £0
floor mat removal - £0
hifi removal - £0
it's the last 30kg that you're really paying for here in terms of weight saving
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