720S is out-dragged by a VW (a very special VW).
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Funk said:
It's remarkable, incredible engineering etc....yet I really don't care about it. It just leaves me cold.
Even though the 720S got left for dead, I know which one I'd rather have the keys to.
I’m the opposite. This is exciting. Always room in my garage for something different. I appreciate the remarkable engineering of my Mac - and of my Tesla as well. Even though the 720S got left for dead, I know which one I'd rather have the keys to.
Wait - is Top Gear back? I guess I need to get my head out of the sand.
Edited by 12pack on Sunday 23 February 10:36
12pack said:
Funk said:
It's remarkable, incredible engineering etc....yet I really don't care about it. It just leaves me cold.
Even though the 720S got left for dead, I know which one I'd rather have the keys to.
I’m the opposite. This is exciting. Always room in my garage for something different. I appreciate the remarkable engineering of my Mac - and of my Tesla as well. Even though the 720S got left for dead, I know which one I'd rather have the keys to.
Wait - is Top Gear back? I guess I need to get my head out of the sand.
Edited by 12pack on Sunday 23 February 10:36
I'm really excited about what's coming up in the EV market. I'm a fan of big, NA engines as are most people on here but until you've had experience with EVs it's hard to explain how they feel to drive. I thought I'd hate them, but I didn't. Current, fresh, fast, almost like the smart-choice. Everything I loved about supercars, the noise, the smell, the shift, seems to be unrelated to performance now. Just a lot of drama. Which is fine, but EVs are just so damm quick compared (and still in their infancy) that the ICE can't compete. For me, I'd like to have my personal NA favourite from the last 10 years as a keeper and then have an EV for outright performance and weekend blasts that I can swap every 2 or 3 years for the next thing that takes my fancy. Even getting out the wife's i8 into one of our 'normal' petrol or diesel cars makes them feel archaic. She now has her eye on a Taycan, eTron GT possibly or the Vision M if and when. I'm sure in a few years our kids will be having a similar conversation about hydrogen fuel cells or similar
Pioneer said:
I'm really excited about what's coming up in the EV market. I'm a fan of big, NA engines as are most people on here but until you've had experience with EVs it's hard to explain how they feel to drive. I thought I'd hate them, but I didn't. Current, fresh, fast, almost like the smart-choice. Everything I loved about supercars, the noise, the smell, the shift, seems to be unrelated to performance now. Just a lot of drama. Which is fine, but EVs are just so damm quick compared (and still in their infancy) that the ICE can't compete. For me, I'd like to have my personal NA favourite from the last 10 years as a keeper and then have an EV for outright performance and weekend blasts that I can swap every 2 or 3 years for the next thing that takes my fancy. Even getting out the wife's i8 into one of our 'normal' petrol or diesel cars makes them feel archaic. She now has her eye on a Taycan, eTron GT possibly or the Vision M if and when. I'm sure in a few years our kids will be having a similar conversation about hydrogen fuel cells or similar
unrelated to the topic, but the swapping cars every couple of years is what negates the environmental benefit - I am pretty sure my Ferrari V12 that I drive for a decade or more (and therefore not buying new cars) has less impact than people who switch to a new EV every 3 years like buying a new phone. Generally today's consumerism is what is the issue that we need to tackle for sustainability's sake imo.MDL111 said:
unrelated to the topic, but the swapping cars every couple of years is what negates the environmental benefit - I am pretty sure my Ferrari V12 that I drive for a decade or more (and therefore not buying new cars) has less impact than people who switch to a new EV every 3 years like buying a new phone. Generally today's consumerism is what is the issue that we need to tackle for sustainability's sake imo.
Indeed we never need to buy a new car at all, or even need to switch to a new-used car every 3 yrs. But the question is - the next time to you switch in 10 years - will you still go for the same thing? Isn't it exciting that we have options?Regarding the Bugatti comment - of course there are even faster petrol dragsters <M£, but hell - my <£100K DD Tesla will embarrass my Mac off the line without needing the warm the tyre/engine/launch control rigmarole (Only off the line of course - otherwise its a lump in any other situation).
If you are technical at all, the effectiveness and efficiency of a low maintenance EV drivetrain has GOT to be appealing - in all ways except the current weight of the batteries, which will change.
Edited by 12pack on Wednesday 26th February 16:56
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