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It's targeting Bentley GT and Astons.
But yes may not be different enough to justify buying existing Mc stock.
It will sell in the very small niche of people that want to have a tourer more exclusive than Bentley and Aston and different than more track focused existing Mc.
Market is tough as hell so wish the best to McLaren.
Its Design has been growing on my since first time I saw it, but completely opposite to my type of car anyway.
Definitely I'd have it rather than bulky heavy fat Bentley and still heavier Fr engine Aston.
Issue is versatility and usability I guess compared to Bentley and Aston, more traditional and more usable imho.
But yes may not be different enough to justify buying existing Mc stock.
It will sell in the very small niche of people that want to have a tourer more exclusive than Bentley and Aston and different than more track focused existing Mc.
Market is tough as hell so wish the best to McLaren.
Its Design has been growing on my since first time I saw it, but completely opposite to my type of car anyway.
Definitely I'd have it rather than bulky heavy fat Bentley and still heavier Fr engine Aston.
Issue is versatility and usability I guess compared to Bentley and Aston, more traditional and more usable imho.
ferdi p said:
2 seats only, awkward luggage space, scissor doors, sits fairly low. 180k with a few options.
Not sure it makes a great GT car & it doesn't want to be a suoercar, I just don't get it!
McLaren think it will represent 25% of all sales, I can't see that but I wish them well with it...
Exactly how i see it.Not sure it makes a great GT car & it doesn't want to be a suoercar, I just don't get it!
McLaren think it will represent 25% of all sales, I can't see that but I wish them well with it...
ferdi p said:
2 seats only, awkward luggage space, scissor doors, sits fairly low. 180k with a few options.
Not sure it makes a great GT car & it doesn't want to be a suoercar, I just don't get it!
McLaren think it will represent 25% of all sales, I can't see that but I wish them well with it...
I think the main issue will be ingress/egress. People of a certain age are going for the Bentayga just so that they don’t have to drop down into a Continental GT, much less one of these.Not sure it makes a great GT car & it doesn't want to be a suoercar, I just don't get it!
McLaren think it will represent 25% of all sales, I can't see that but I wish them well with it...
tyrrell said:
I think the main market will be the US, up against Aston & Bentley I think it will struggle in the UK.
The Luxury version of the 720S has been unloved from the get go and taken a huge hit on the residuals because of it.
I wish them the best of luck with it as they're going to need it.
Yes I think cars like the new Cayenne Coupe and Bentayga are the new GTs of modern motoring. Any why not I suppose they're very comfortable and very fast.The Luxury version of the 720S has been unloved from the get go and taken a huge hit on the residuals because of it.
I wish them the best of luck with it as they're going to need it.
Mcl needs a cash cow like Cayenne desperately not mutton dressed up as lamb every six months. Having said that what does it costs to develop your own SUV nowadays? A few billion? Mcl shareholders are wealthy but not that wealthy and they certainly won't take a gamble on a new product line in the current market. Mcl is in a precarious position at the mo IMO. Needs some creative thinking for business plan over next 5 years. If its more of the same the outcome is inevitable.
12pack said:
I think the main issue will be ingress/egress. People of a certain age are going for the Bentayga just so that they don’t have to drop down into a Continental GT, much less one of these.
Yup.My old man has been desperate for me to scare the life out of him in the McLaren but he just is too old and unwell to get into it...he manages to get in his new X5 no bother though ( which is good as it means if he is inside the car he cannot see them hideous hee-uge front grills that BMW have taken to fitting on the front ).
After a certain age getting in and out of a car ( with dignity ) becomes a huge factor.
IMI A said:
tyrrell said:
I think the main market will be the US, up against Aston & Bentley I think it will struggle in the UK.
The Luxury version of the 720S has been unloved from the get go and taken a huge hit on the residuals because of it.
I wish them the best of luck with it as they're going to need it.
Yes I think cars like the new Cayenne Coupe and Bentayga are the new GTs of modern motoring. Any why not I suppose they're very comfortable and very fast.The Luxury version of the 720S has been unloved from the get go and taken a huge hit on the residuals because of it.
I wish them the best of luck with it as they're going to need it.
Mcl needs a cash cow like Cayenne desperately not mutton dressed up as lamb every six months. Having said that what does it costs to develop your own SUV nowadays? A few billion? Mcl shareholders are wealthy but not that wealthy and they certainly won't take a gamble on a new product line in the current market. Mcl is in a precarious position at the mo IMO. Needs some creative thinking for business plan over next 5 years. If its more of the same the outcome is inevitable.
breadvan said:
I draw loose similarities between LR and McLaren.
At a time when they both desperately need more footfall both launch variants of their core models, the Defender and this.
One will save its company and the other one, well.............
LR are a beast of a company struggling with lots of models, brands, sales and debts...and a whole different level of reliability and depreciation issues.At a time when they both desperately need more footfall both launch variants of their core models, the Defender and this.
One will save its company and the other one, well.............
McLaren are small but with wealthy backers...a quick look at what they posted doesn't look too bad...can't see them vanishing anytime soon.
Someone somewhere within McLaren convinced the board there is a market for the GT....i have no idea where or what numbers they are expecting but I'm guessing it stacked up towards development costs.
355spiderguy said:
Someone somewhere within McLaren convinced the board there is a market for the GT....i have no idea where or what numbers they are expecting but I'm guessing it stacked up towards development costs.
I think Mr Sinclair was fairly confident the C5 would do well - but I rather doubt he got his development costs back 
I was out in the new McLaren GT press fleet yesterday - too young apparently to drive myself (no-one under 30 allowed to drive their press cars!?), but McGlasgow kindly invited me back when they have their demo in.
Enjoyed it even as a passenger, but I don't think it's a particularly big revelation. My driver didn't know if the car is on conventional spring/adaptive damper or the McLaren hydraulic cross-link system (I'm not sure myself actually), but my butt-feeling was that it was a similar level of comfort to a 991.2 Turbo S on PASM.
I've driven the DB11 V8 and V12 AMR and both rode with more comfort that's for sure, but didn't have the sharpness or finesse of the Mac.
Can't argue with 620PS of shove though - it was very serious performance indeed, especially when you have such good visibility to see down onto the road in front of you which increases the sensation of speed, unlike the somewhat letterbox windscreen of DB11 which does the opposite.
The rear boot is obviously relatively cavernous and one of the big selling points, and although I didn't get the opportunity to try fitting anything into it, I think it'll be the usual squashy-bag job as the way it humps over the plenum looks like it mike make larger hard items tricky. Having said that, the DB11/DBS boot is smaller in overall volume and quite pathetic in my eyes for such a large bodied car - I'd say the new Vantage was the better load lugger!
I think quite predictably it occupied a middle ground between DB11/Conti GT and a full on 570S/600LT platform. It was sharper and more focussed from what I could feel than the GT rivals, but comfier than a hardcore supercar (excluding magic carpet 12C/650S/720S of course!)
In my honest opinion it felt like a jack of all trades, master of none.
Overall I don't think it did anything a current McLaren can't do other than the larger rear load area. I wouldn't say it was any comfier. I would also say that seeing a chap in a 570S arrive and park up at the event, Sports Series is a far more cohesive design than the new GT which I felt has a side profile that doesn't flow from fore to aft due to being broken up by the side vent. Front was a little bluff too.
If someone gave me one there's no doubt I'd love it to bits, but if I was spending my own money I'd rather take a 540C/570S and use the spare cash on another car to move stuff...
Since I'm unlikely to be able to afford a new McLaren for some years yet, I'm probably not qualified to be making any judgements on the new car.
For now I'll stick with my own version of a mid engine sports car with great luggage capacity - my recently acquired 987 Cayman. Coincidentally I thought the N/A flat 6 sounded more characterful into the bargain.
Must admit I'm not sold on it although I was quite impressed with the interior - definitely has a more luxurious feel to it than their other cars. I agree with the above "jack of all trades" opinion but the rear luggage space could only be described as "cavernous" if relative to a 570 Coupe, though! If it was a 2+2 it would make more sense but it looks like we'll need to wait a couple more years for that to materialise ...
Edited by drcarrera on Thursday 19th September 16:46
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