Track focussed 650S

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I like the sound of that.
Long tail rear end
Revised front end

675T ?

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mclaren/650s/90165/mc...

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This is getting exciting.



Anybody going to Geneva ? I am tempted !

[Hollowpockets]

Going to see this in a couple of weeks

[GRBF430F1]

We all know the 458 Speciale is a bl00dy good drivers/track car but up to now its been compared to the standard road going 650S which to be fair has come out of comparisons with massive honours considering its not a stripped out racer.

650S "chews up and spits out 458's" so it should rightly be compared with 488 in the future and until a lightweight 488 special is announced I guess the only true comparison is 675LT v 458 Speciale

With the extra power and less weight of the 675LT there will only be one winner in outright performance terms - the 675LT.
Subjectively it will be interesting to see what McLaren have done to dial in even more Fun and excitement over 650S and if its enough to take the crown off the Speciale in that area.
As I've been told that they are already all sold out and I won't be getting a 675LT someone else will have to answer that one

[Hollowpockets]

Disagree there matey, the 675LT and 488 are the next generation of supercar, leaving Lambo behind with the Huracan IMO.

So what if one is 'track focused' and one is a 'road' car, ignore the marketing bullst for a minute, the straight line performance of the two will be very close, handling and the rest too. Also as it's the first time in a while Ferrari and McLaren have been on the same page engine wise. These two new cars, are the two who should be compared. Forget the Speciale!

Who told you there were sold out? What numbers are they limited to?

Edited by Hollowpockets on Wednesday 4th February 21:17

[GRBF430F1]

Hollowpockets said:

Disagree there matey, the 675LT and 488 are the next generation of supercar, leaving Lambo behind with the Huracan IMO.

So what if one is 'track focused' and one is a 'road' car, ignore the marketing bullst for a minute, the straight line performance of the two will be very close, handling and the rest too. Also as it's the first time in a while Ferrari and McLaren have been on the same page engine wise. These two new cars, are the two who should be compared. Forget the Speciale!

Who told you there were sold out? What numbers are they limited to?

Edited by Hollowpockets on Wednesday 4th February 21:17

I agree McLaren and Ferrari's latest offerings in 650s/675LT and 458 special/488GTB leave the Huracan behind but I just don't think you can compare lightweight track cars with standard road cars, they are simply designed with a different purpose.
The 675LT is a stripped out version of the 650S with very small performance gains but significant weight loss.
The 488GTB is a road car with very similar performance figures to 650S ( which were significantly better than 458 )

As McLaren and Ferrari's new car cycle is not synchronised its impossible to get an exact like for like comparison but the closest thing at the moment is 650S v 488 GTB or 675LT v 458 Speciale IMHO

McLaren dealer wouldn't take a deposit off me for a 675LT and said they think the numbers are 350 or lower worldwide, so strictly limited and coupe only

[Hollowpockets]

I had heard as low as 275 cars will be built, and that it's quite a significant change from the 650s, certainly a bigger step than the 12C (which I prefer looks wise) to the 650. In the pictures it looks much better than a 650 rear end but the wheel from the first teaser looked a crap design.

Hope the put out another teaser shot next week

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Hollowpockets said:

I had heard as low as 275 cars will be built, and that it's quite a significant change from the 650s, certainly a bigger step than the 12C (which I prefer looks wise) to the 650. In the pictures it looks much better than a 650 rear end but the wheel from the first teaser looked a crap design.

Hope the put out another teaser shot next week

Must admit I've not looked at it that closely since I was told I had no chance of getting one anyway but if its significantly different to 650S then its going to be well over £300k which seems a lot and puts it in another league again. The performance gains on paper look minimal just like 650S over 12C but that overall package of small changes does makes a notable difference.
I think the biggest factor for 675LT will be the weight saving and subjective noise and feel differences of a stripped out racer. I genuinely think it has a chance of topping the 458 Speciale in this area as well as outright performance, in which case it will be an epic car even at £300k

Must admit in isolation the wheel looked a bit fussy but you need to see how it suits the side profile of the car

[Hollowpockets]

I'm sure it will outperform the Speciale, if it doesn't there's something seriously wrong.

price wise was told maybe £230-240k then options and customisation taking it to £270k. I don't think it would be impossible to make a more aggressive front end and stretch the rear into better proportion. (Hope they ditch the 650 rear lights though)

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GRBF430F1 said:

As McLaren and Ferrari's new car cycle is not synchronised its impossible to get an exact like for like comparison

This is an interesting point. In a way, it is a shame McLaren rushed the 650S out and should have used the extra time to perfect the design.
I am not a Ferrari fan but the 458 and 488 look much better integrated designs, like one person drew the entire car and it flows from one end to the other. After that, some might not like the result but they are well balanced looking cars.

The 650S unfortunately is not very successful in achieving this. There is a reason why the air intakes are on the top of the P1 and now the 488 turbo cars. A side inlet just does not work as efficiently... The 12C was marginal but the 650S needed more. Hence the ugly extended side inlet. The P13 will also have a top air inlet.

But I am getting into details ! I am hoping that the 675 design will evolve the 650S design in a more cohesive manner and may be the P15 will be the car we are all waiting for. Shame it will be 2 years behind the 488.

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mb1 said:

This is an interesting point. In a way, it is a shame McLaren rushed the 650S out and should have used the extra time to perfect the design.
I am not a Ferrari fan but the 458 and 488 look much better integrated designs, like one person drew the entire car and it flows from one end to the other. After that, some might not like the result but they are well balanced looking cars.

The 650S unfortunately is not very successful in achieving this. There is a reason why the air intakes are on the top of the P1 and now the 488 turbo cars. A side inlet just does not work as efficiently... The 12C was marginal but the 650S needed more. Hence the ugly extended side inlet. The P13 will also have a top air inlet.

But I am getting into details ! I am hoping that the 675 design will evolve the 650S design in a more cohesive manner and may be the P15 will be the car we are all waiting for. Shame it will be 2 years behind the 488.

Each to their own I guess. I find the 650S to be a better looking car than the 458. I just don't like the 458 headlights. 650S looks a lot better IMO.

[Beefmeister]

Hmm, looks like the Long Tail is in name only. Looks like a longer spoiler to me - the rear wings look identical.

[Civpilot]

I like that.

[Hollowpockets]

Hmmm, i hope it's just some fanboy rendering as calling a car long tail and fitting a longer wing, is not good enough.

It's a good looking shape but it NEEDS to be longer please Mac! It needs to look wild as well as perform. Sort it out!

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The rendering is suspicious and it would be disapointing to see this type of add-ons rather then a true new rear end. That would be the final poor styling add-on excercise on the 650......

I have been very excited by the 675 but may be I should wait for the real 650 replacement rather then jumping on that one (I know it is going to be a long wait) !

[Beefmeister]

That doesn't look like a rendering to me. Looks like a hastily taken photo of the back of a camera at a photoshoot, if I were to hazard a guess.

[Hollowpockets]

Here's a non distorted version of that image... And the look on my face