Why was "gone very quiet" moved from business to NP&E?
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Why is an active thread used to by business owners to discuss their challenges and experiences moved to NP&E?
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Why is an active thread used to by business owners to discuss their challenges and experiences moved to NP&E?
22s said:
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Why is an active thread used to by business owners to discuss their challenges and experiences moved to NP&E?
You will also note that, as of August this year, I was barred from the thread for similar reasons. I received not even as much as a reply to my enquiries to discuss the issue, despite my having been on PH for a couple of years now.See feedback from your community.
Why is an active thread used to by business owners to discuss their challenges and experiences moved to NP&E?
To my knowledge of running businesses for 30 odd years, there is absolutely no sense in banning the discussion of political effects on trade and employment. It#s an utterly ludicrous and unjustifiable stance.
king arthur said:
Very odd decision.
There's a thread in General Gassing titled "Petrol prices - when does the madness end?" and it contains a discussion on the situation in the Middle East, and if you go back a few pages probably one on the forthcoming budget too. Why wasn't that moved into NP&E?
Same with the one in Finance - "Labour's First Budget". In fact just about any thread will go off topic if it runs long enough, but sometimes the Mods get a bee in their bonnet about a thread and that seems to be that. There's a thread in General Gassing titled "Petrol prices - when does the madness end?" and it contains a discussion on the situation in the Middle East, and if you go back a few pages probably one on the forthcoming budget too. Why wasn't that moved into NP&E?
RicksAlfas said:
Same with the one in Finance - "Labour's First Budget". In fact just about any thread will go off topic if it runs long enough, but sometimes the Mods get a bee in their bonnet about a thread and that seems to be that.
That thread has basically turned into Labour bashing now. Almost as if people want it moving so things can't be discussed in the round.It's difficult to separate business, finance and politics but I didn't see any obviously political point scoring in the business thread. Just discussion as to the impact policy was having or would have on their business.
Edited by TownIdiot on Wednesday 30th October 17:19
A community is made up of its members and the moderators help keep it nice for them.
In the absence of unhappy members then, or breaches that cause legal issues for the operators, it seems no moderation is due.
In the case of this thread it made no sense to move it ‘because rules’ because the community was otherwise happy.
Only one moderator was unhappy, and apparently they’re all very busy, so have no time for explanations.
In this case I can’t fathom what the actual reason was and it just reeks of some kind of axe grinding, which is usually the kind of thing moderators should come down on… not be doing themselves.
I’d suggest not making problems where there are none, reducing workload, and allow a better quality of moderation to occur, or just sit back and relax a bit.
In the absence of unhappy members then, or breaches that cause legal issues for the operators, it seems no moderation is due.
In the case of this thread it made no sense to move it ‘because rules’ because the community was otherwise happy.
Only one moderator was unhappy, and apparently they’re all very busy, so have no time for explanations.
In this case I can’t fathom what the actual reason was and it just reeks of some kind of axe grinding, which is usually the kind of thing moderators should come down on… not be doing themselves.
I’d suggest not making problems where there are none, reducing workload, and allow a better quality of moderation to occur, or just sit back and relax a bit.
Edited by Mr Whippy on Wednesday 30th October 17:25
Gone Very Quiet was one of the most interesting threads in the Business forum, allowing business owners to take the economic temperature across multiple sectors.
To move it to NP&E where partisan politics destroy so many threads is a travesty.
Politics, particularly in the run up to a first budget for a new government, has clearly impacted business and consumer confidence and is a valid topic to be discussed in that forum.
Please move back to the Business section and stop mucking about with things that are perfectly fine.
Mr Whippy said:
A community is made up of its members and the moderators help keep it nice for them.
In the absence of unhappy members then, or breaches that cause legal issues for the operators, it seems no moderation is due.
In the case of this thread it made no sense to move it ‘because rules’ because the community was otherwise happy.
Only one moderator was unhappy, and apparently they’re all very busy, so have no time for explanations.
In this case I can’t fathom what the actual reason was and it just reeks of some kind of axe grinding, which is usually the kind of thing moderators should come down on… not be doing themselves.
I’d suggest not making problems where there are none, reducing workload, and allow a better quality of moderation to occur, or just sit back and relax a bit.
I've not read the thread but I wonder if it was getting 'rowdy' by new posters (read returned banned posters) ? In the absence of unhappy members then, or breaches that cause legal issues for the operators, it seems no moderation is due.
In the case of this thread it made no sense to move it ‘because rules’ because the community was otherwise happy.
Only one moderator was unhappy, and apparently they’re all very busy, so have no time for explanations.
In this case I can’t fathom what the actual reason was and it just reeks of some kind of axe grinding, which is usually the kind of thing moderators should come down on… not be doing themselves.
I’d suggest not making problems where there are none, reducing workload, and allow a better quality of moderation to occur, or just sit back and relax a bit.
Edited by Mr Whippy on Wednesday 30th October 17:25
dickymint said:
I've not read the thread but I wonder if it was getting 'rowdy' by new posters (read returned banned posters) ?
As I said above. I was banned from the thread for ‘political comment’ reasons in August. No further explanation was given and no email from me on the subject was ever answered,They really don’t care. The stupidity is only trumped by the high handedness. Unless, of course, other posters had genuinely complained about my comments, which I do not believe to be the case.
mmm-five said:
It's their 'ball' so they can go on a strop and stop the game anytime they want 
They can.But the forums are just a CRM.
Without users it’s just an empty database. Moderators (giving their time for free) are an emergent requirement to service users and operators alike.
It’s a community and a two-way street.
Yes they have to be heavy handed in some places, but this thread wasn’t it and has never been.
Acorn1 said:
As a relative newbie and business owner, I'm struggling to undertand this, what's so special about the news forum anyway?
This was an engaging thread, where do PH draw the line?
It's far from special it's just a very toxic place dominated by non motoring enthusiasts - which is why the new rule is you have to have a post count of 1000 and been a PH member for 12 months before you're even allowed in. Like I said I've not followed this thread I'm just speculating that it's been moved there to prevent 'some' posters to access it.This was an engaging thread, where do PH draw the line?
Quite simply there was repeated breaking of the Rules of Posting on the thread. Despite many warnings over an extended period, contributoers continued to post and debate political and economic opinions without relating them to the subject matter of the thread. Such content as belongs in the N,P&E forum.
Remember, you cannot see the large number of posts that have had to be deleted, the number of moderation reports relating to the thread (many), nor actions that have had to be taken against some members.
Moderation simply seeks to ensure the rules applying to use of the forums are followed. The choices in this instance were either to lock the thread, delete it, or let it live on in a forum that would allow the type of content that posters wanted to repeatedly contribute, Attempts to keep the thread on track through moderation were untenable - they were repeatedly ignored.
I agree it was, at times, a great thread (and one I have contributed to), but it is not certain a return to the Business forum will cause anything to change in posting behaviour.
The subsequent attacks on the moderation team also don't show contributors in a great light (and ironically are further transgression of the forum rules, as is this thread
).
Remember, you cannot see the large number of posts that have had to be deleted, the number of moderation reports relating to the thread (many), nor actions that have had to be taken against some members.
Moderation simply seeks to ensure the rules applying to use of the forums are followed. The choices in this instance were either to lock the thread, delete it, or let it live on in a forum that would allow the type of content that posters wanted to repeatedly contribute, Attempts to keep the thread on track through moderation were untenable - they were repeatedly ignored.
I agree it was, at times, a great thread (and one I have contributed to), but it is not certain a return to the Business forum will cause anything to change in posting behaviour.
The subsequent attacks on the moderation team also don't show contributors in a great light (and ironically are further transgression of the forum rules, as is this thread
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