Change to News, Politics & Economics posting rights
Discussion
I understand the reasoning as there a number of posts that are clearly from people joining to "prod the beast" and no doubt others that have multiple accounts or banned returnees. However, it does penalise people like me who's primary reason to be here is read and and occasionally impart their pearls of wisdom (like this one 
).
To me better moderation and account control could have served the same purpose.
At the end of the day though, it's just words from random people, some knowledgeable, some forceful and some downright bizarre.
). To me better moderation and account control could have served the same purpose.
At the end of the day though, it's just words from random people, some knowledgeable, some forceful and some downright bizarre.
Roderick Spode said:
Interesting to correlate those who mostly post on NP&E and those who cause trouble, which I would suggest is not the case. A few bad apples do not necessarily spoil everyone. I rarely post anywhere else on PH, so I for one will be unable to post further on NP&E unless I make an arbitrary 1,000 posts elsewhere on the forums. A good way to kill the posting volumes in NP&E I suppose. Seems a strange ruling - the mods already have the ability to ban troublesome posters from individual topics, and furthermore to implement a full ban from NP&E if required, so other than disengaging active posters from a section of the forum, I'm not sure what this achieves...
When is it to be implemented?
Agree this is strange.When is it to be implemented?
I only post in NP&E, I think relatively constructively.
I follow some of the motoring forums but don’t feel an urge to post.
I don’t really see why that’s an issue.
If anyone is difficult just ban them.
Alas, at least I’ll get some time back.
Mezzanine said:
Would be interesting to know if the mods/bods have ever considered just scrapping NP&E entirely and putting their feet up.
I wouldn’t miss it personally.
There are plenty of other sites to discuss NP&E related things just removing it completely might just be the clean break needed!
People would probably just post about the same topics in the lounge or similar.I wouldn’t miss it personally.
There are plenty of other sites to discuss NP&E related things just removing it completely might just be the clean break needed!
Whilst accepting that there will be many who are unfairly caught out by the new rules, I can see and accept the reasoning. It's going to take a pretty persistent banned returnee to rack up the required number of posts and wait the requisite time period before being allowed to enter the hallowed turf of NPE. and those who are there will have to watch out, because the old trick of being overly inflammatory, getting banned, then returning under an oh-so-impenetrable new guise will no longer be available.
Essentially, it's a way of boring troublemakers off the site. It's far from ideal but I can't imagine what it's like as a moderator or as a business owner when looking at some of the threads. The only people who will miss some of the more, er, socially regressive posts can go off and discuss them on 4chan or wherever, but given that PH is a commercial enterprise that can only be a good thing.
Essentially, it's a way of boring troublemakers off the site. It's far from ideal but I can't imagine what it's like as a moderator or as a business owner when looking at some of the threads. The only people who will miss some of the more, er, socially regressive posts can go off and discuss them on 4chan or wherever, but given that PH is a commercial enterprise that can only be a good thing.
AudiMan9000 said:
Mezzanine said:
Would be interesting to know if the mods/bods have ever considered just scrapping NP&E entirely and putting their feet up.
I wouldn’t miss it personally.
There are plenty of other sites to discuss NP&E related things just removing it completely might just be the clean break needed!
People would probably just post about the same topics in the lounge or similar.I wouldn’t miss it personally.
There are plenty of other sites to discuss NP&E related things just removing it completely might just be the clean break needed!
longblackcoat said:
but given that PH is a commercial enterprise that can only be a good thing.
Yup.The threads relating to migration / covid / Europe always take a predictable path which don’t particularly make PH look how its owners may want.
That’s before even considering the threads which pop up occasionally where some posters seem to think the age of consent is optional.
Maybe the answer is
1 year and 1000 non p&p/np&e posts
Or
2 years, no post count requirements
Still arbitrary but at least established accounts are grandfathered in. PH can revisit the policy in 2 years if there's a sudden influx of determined troll accounts springing into life after 2 years dormancy
Either that or just move this thread to NP&E where there was a broadly supportive thread last night before it was closed in reference to here. None of the complaints about post counts in its brief life for some reason
1 year and 1000 non p&p/np&e posts
Or
2 years, no post count requirements
Still arbitrary but at least established accounts are grandfathered in. PH can revisit the policy in 2 years if there's a sudden influx of determined troll accounts springing into life after 2 years dormancy
Either that or just move this thread to NP&E where there was a broadly supportive thread last night before it was closed in reference to here. None of the complaints about post counts in its brief life for some reason
Edited by 8.4L 154 on Thursday 21st April 08:23
Don1 said:
I see people saying it's bad - given you know the forums limitations, how would you approach the issue of multiple accounts, socks and the like?
And, also, given that the moderators are unpaid volunteers. Let's not overlook that key fact also.Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Thursday 21st April 11:34
Rufus Stone said:
It's a policy of guilty until proven innocent.
PH towers are clearly too lazy to weed out any trouble makers.
Moderating costs. NP&E has become incredibly toxic with returning banned posters. Hopefully this will at least act as a speed brake.PH towers are clearly too lazy to weed out any trouble makers.
Plenty of other non car topics to post on.
They have the data and can always adjust the policy.
8.4L 154 said:
Maybe the answer is
1 year and 1000 non p&p/np&e posts
Or
2 years, no post count requirements
Still arbitrary but at least established accounts are grandfathered in. PH can revisit the policy in 2 years if there's a sudden influx of determined troll accounts springing into life after 2 years dormancy
...
Not a bad idea...1 year and 1000 non p&p/np&e posts
Or
2 years, no post count requirements
Still arbitrary but at least established accounts are grandfathered in. PH can revisit the policy in 2 years if there's a sudden influx of determined troll accounts springing into life after 2 years dormancy
...
F20CN16 said:
Blimey, I’m amazed by the number of posts here saying they use their account primarily to post in NP&E.
…and that there is not anything motor related to discuss!
It is a bit weird. If you want to talk about politics and not cars/driving, why join PH? I've never got it. …and that there is not anything motor related to discuss!
The one year thing I approve of, but I do think 1000 posts might be a bit steep. 500 maybe?
garyhun said:
AudiMan9000 said:
Mezzanine said:
Would be interesting to know if the mods/bods have ever considered just scrapping NP&E entirely and putting their feet up.
I wouldn’t miss it personally.
There are plenty of other sites to discuss NP&E related things just removing it completely might just be the clean break needed!
People would probably just post about the same topics in the lounge or similar.I wouldn’t miss it personally.
There are plenty of other sites to discuss NP&E related things just removing it completely might just be the clean break needed!
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Johnnytheboy said:
It is a bit weird. If you want to talk about politics and not cars/driving, why join PH? I've never got it.
The one year thing I approve of, but I do think 1000 posts might be a bit steep. 500 maybe?
I can answer that one. Politically focused forums are often cesspits. That PH is a car forum where people can talk about other stuff is a strength and people on here are more normal and varied. Other than being a bit right wing in some thread bias it would be hard to say what the typical PH poster’s politics are. In most other forums that’s very much not the case.The one year thing I approve of, but I do think 1000 posts might be a bit steep. 500 maybe?
I also read far more posts than I reply to and like the car ones most, I just don’t have much to say on them as often.
Anyway, whether it’s the right or wrong policy I’m sure it has been thought about and debated. So I hope it works well as I think PH is a great place and not just for the massive knowledge here about cars.
Captain Raymond Holt said:
I always find it interesting (says a sorry lot about me ) to look at peoples first posts - I think mine was asking whether a Rover was worth buying! 
Looks like you went in with both boots to the Boris and Europe threads with pretty comprehensive posts, good effort! Although it looks like you might have scared Tuna away, who you were replying to
I agree. Early posting history is interesting. ) to look at peoples first posts - I think mine was asking whether a Rover was worth buying! Looks like you went in with both boots to the Boris and Europe threads with pretty comprehensive posts, good effort! Although it looks like you might have scared Tuna away, who you were replying to
>150 posts in the first month in an EU thread and another 50 in the BoJo thread, with nothing else is indeed … interesting
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