Gallardo - Healthcheck vs full PPI check / History gaps
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Novice Gallardo buyer seeking advice re: PPI check and History Gaps . .
I thought i had found my perfect Gallardo after a 9 month search but am struggling to get my head round a few niggling issues with the history, and the level of PPI check that would be wise to carry out .
Car is a 2008 Spyder last week: (Black, £69k, 34k miles)
Pros:
- 7 x Lamborghini stamps (2009-2015, Feb'2019)
- 1 x Lambo specialist stamp (Oct '2016)
- Lifting gear
Cons:
- Gap in service history (2yrs 4mth ), covering 5k miles
- Dealer refusing to allow full 4 hour PPI check
- No paperwork at all to support the stamps in the book
- No major issues from Lamborghini Birmingham (LB) Healthcheck
It drives well - no issues I could find, although it didn't feel that quick - was expecting it to feel quicker than my 1984 911.
Car has just had a minor service & HealthCheck, highlighting approx £6k in 'recommended' items (discs, pads, AC condenser etc). Clutch = 50%. None are a major concern, and I guess the price reflects this.
LB tell me they didn't roadtest as tyres were below limit at the time of the service, which seems reasonable. However, i am more than happy to pay for the more extensive full 4 x hr PPI check (LB charge ~ £600), if the dealer would permit this..
Assuming the 2.5 year gap in service is not a major issue, would you recommend I insist on a full 4 x hour PPI, or accept the LB visual Healthcheck, or continue my search elsewhere ?
I thought i had found my perfect Gallardo after a 9 month search but am struggling to get my head round a few niggling issues with the history, and the level of PPI check that would be wise to carry out .
Car is a 2008 Spyder last week: (Black, £69k, 34k miles)
Pros:
- 7 x Lamborghini stamps (2009-2015, Feb'2019)
- 1 x Lambo specialist stamp (Oct '2016)
- Lifting gear
Cons:
- Gap in service history (2yrs 4mth ), covering 5k miles
- Dealer refusing to allow full 4 hour PPI check
- No paperwork at all to support the stamps in the book
- No major issues from Lamborghini Birmingham (LB) Healthcheck
It drives well - no issues I could find, although it didn't feel that quick - was expecting it to feel quicker than my 1984 911.
Car has just had a minor service & HealthCheck, highlighting approx £6k in 'recommended' items (discs, pads, AC condenser etc). Clutch = 50%. None are a major concern, and I guess the price reflects this.
LB tell me they didn't roadtest as tyres were below limit at the time of the service, which seems reasonable. However, i am more than happy to pay for the more extensive full 4 x hr PPI check (LB charge ~ £600), if the dealer would permit this..
Assuming the 2.5 year gap in service is not a major issue, would you recommend I insist on a full 4 x hour PPI, or accept the LB visual Healthcheck, or continue my search elsewhere ?
Not sure I follow - independent dealer took car to LB for LB to complete health check, but dealer won;t allow you to pay for fuller check by LB?
If so very odd as you are paying so what does the dealer care (other than a bit of admin), or he could allow it provided he can have a copy, which would be great as a selling point for him assuming nothing extra found.
I suspect he fears the £6k list will grow to £10k+
I wouldn't worry about the skipped service, but check Lambo history with LB
If so very odd as you are paying so what does the dealer care (other than a bit of admin), or he could allow it provided he can have a copy, which would be great as a selling point for him assuming nothing extra found.
I suspect he fears the £6k list will grow to £10k+
I wouldn't worry about the skipped service, but check Lambo history with LB
I'm in the same boat, all the lambos I have inspected have had paint work done to it.
these cars go through a lot of abuse,even though they may be low mileage, all components on the car are stressed to a high level.although it may pass an inspection,some wear and tear parts could be on its last legs and fail in the new owners ownership.
these cars go through a lot of abuse,even though they may be low mileage, all components on the car are stressed to a high level.although it may pass an inspection,some wear and tear parts could be on its last legs and fail in the new owners ownership.
PompeyReece, Thanks for advice
AdamB,
Without naming them of course, both dealers involved are part of the same Group so not entirely independent.
Yes, dealer went to LB for LB to do a Service, and got the health-check done at same time. Correct. they wouldn't agree to full check because they said it will cause delay for 2-3 days. Healthcheck should be sufficient.
The more I think about it, the more obvious it is to walk, I guess.
AdamB,
Without naming them of course, both dealers involved are part of the same Group so not entirely independent.
Yes, dealer went to LB for LB to do a Service, and got the health-check done at same time. Correct. they wouldn't agree to full check because they said it will cause delay for 2-3 days. Healthcheck should be sufficient.
The more I think about it, the more obvious it is to walk, I guess.
if this is the Spider at Sytner I expect they have the car at the Sytner Select arm and not the Franchise Dealer network due to maybe already knowing about the works that need doing hence its not viable for them to do and retail for the right money, or perhaps it's because the Service History isn't complete.
I have a 2008 SL coupe with about 35k KM, its LHD and I would be pretty horrified if I saw what you are suggesting.
If I read correctly, how can a dealer sell the car and tell you it needs new tyres? What?
That £6k looks like it's gonna balloon.
BTW, the SL is as quick as you want, even without engaging Sport....
If I read correctly, how can a dealer sell the car and tell you it needs new tyres? What?
That £6k looks like it's gonna balloon.
BTW, the SL is as quick as you want, even without engaging Sport....
I looked at a Lambo Spyder 09 up for strong money (£85k) and it had no paperwork, worn buttons, heavily worn steering wheels and chips around the paintwork. They said they’d get all the work done but really it’s up for top money so it should have been ready to go.
I walked.
I have since bought one a few weeks ago for a lot less, in stunning condition, serviced (£3k as some bits needed doing) and I’m delighted.
As for power it’s pretty much on par with my ex Ferrari 430 Spider that I owned 5 years ago.
I walked.
I have since bought one a few weeks ago for a lot less, in stunning condition, serviced (£3k as some bits needed doing) and I’m delighted.
As for power it’s pretty much on par with my ex Ferrari 430 Spider that I owned 5 years ago.
Many thanks for the feedback.
Is it expected nowadays that dealer will refuse to show the V5C to a buyer ? One agreed. One refused, reason = Gdpr.
Have viewed two more Gallardo’s now and feeling better informed. Both had big 3-4 year gaps in service history - not ideal. It makes the 2008 black spider in b’ham look more appealing.
Recurring theme from contacting 5 dealers now is they’re not as keen as i thought they would be to sell. Two havent returned calls. One was out when i turned up for agreed viewing appointment.
My search continues. .
Is it expected nowadays that dealer will refuse to show the V5C to a buyer ? One agreed. One refused, reason = Gdpr.
Have viewed two more Gallardo’s now and feeling better informed. Both had big 3-4 year gaps in service history - not ideal. It makes the 2008 black spider in b’ham look more appealing.
Recurring theme from contacting 5 dealers now is they’re not as keen as i thought they would be to sell. Two havent returned calls. One was out when i turned up for agreed viewing appointment.
My search continues. .
I think it is very rare in the case of Supercars that you find genuine bargains....when window shopping some look cheap and it is easy to then believe that the market is at this price point.
What typically happens is that those that are cheaper or look good value on the surface, when inspected closer are very tired cars or either have something not quite right, whether it be missing history, pending bills, sketchy bodywork etc. From my limited experience I have found that in the case of these types of cars you have to pay the right money for the right car. Of course there are bargains to be had but I think these are few and far between.
Its a good shout to see a few as that will give you a true sense of what is actually available at that price bracket.
What typically happens is that those that are cheaper or look good value on the surface, when inspected closer are very tired cars or either have something not quite right, whether it be missing history, pending bills, sketchy bodywork etc. From my limited experience I have found that in the case of these types of cars you have to pay the right money for the right car. Of course there are bargains to be had but I think these are few and far between.
Its a good shout to see a few as that will give you a true sense of what is actually available at that price bracket.
How on earth are you supposed to carry out DD by checking VIN Numbers and Engine Numbers etc which are provided on the V5C against the car if you are not allowed to see the V5C?
This GDPR thing seems to have many people with twisted nickers.
They could photocopy the inside page with all the pertinent details, which also does not contain any personal information. I guess you could also HPI check to get the information...or maybe this will stop in the name of GDPR?!
This GDPR thing seems to have many people with twisted nickers.
They could photocopy the inside page with all the pertinent details, which also does not contain any personal information. I guess you could also HPI check to get the information...or maybe this will stop in the name of GDPR?!
Kent42 said:
Novice Gallardo buyer seeking advice re: PPI check and History Gaps . .
I thought i had found my perfect Gallardo after a 9 month search but am struggling to get my head round a few niggling issues with the history, and the level of PPI check that would be wise to carry out .
Car is a 2008 Spyder last week: (Black, £69k, 34k miles)
Pros:
- 7 x Lamborghini stamps (2009-2015, Feb'2019)
- 1 x Lambo specialist stamp (Oct '2016)
- Lifting gear
Cons:
- Gap in service history (2yrs 4mth ), covering 5k miles
I wouldn't be concerned about that gap assuming there are annual MOT's to back up the mileage - there is no problem with a service interval of <6k miles.I thought i had found my perfect Gallardo after a 9 month search but am struggling to get my head round a few niggling issues with the history, and the level of PPI check that would be wise to carry out .
Car is a 2008 Spyder last week: (Black, £69k, 34k miles)
Pros:
- 7 x Lamborghini stamps (2009-2015, Feb'2019)
- 1 x Lambo specialist stamp (Oct '2016)
- Lifting gear
Cons:
- Gap in service history (2yrs 4mth ), covering 5k miles
As has been said, 34k miles doesn't seem high, and probably isn't in the grand scheme of things, but these cars are very mileage sensitive in terms of value.
depends on what the last service was
minor service is a glorified oil and filters change. All depends on whats been done after the missing interval.
if your happy with everything else it wouldn't unnerve me. However I'd be asking them to give it a major service included in the price.
What would cost you 2k can easily be lost in the dealers internal budget for very little
minor service is a glorified oil and filters change. All depends on whats been done after the missing interval.
if your happy with everything else it wouldn't unnerve me. However I'd be asking them to give it a major service included in the price.
What would cost you 2k can easily be lost in the dealers internal budget for very little
Ash-UK said:
I'm in the same boat, all the lambos I have inspected have had paint work done to it.
these cars go through a lot of abuse,even though they may be low mileage, all components on the car are stressed to a high level.although it may pass an inspection,some wear and tear parts could be on its last legs and fail in the new owners ownership.
They are low cars and front can and does get a fair few stone chips. They can also get stone chips around the rear intakes. It's just a thing. Mine (2013) car has had the front resprayed by the supplying dealer prior to purchase.these cars go through a lot of abuse,even though they may be low mileage, all components on the car are stressed to a high level.although it may pass an inspection,some wear and tear parts could be on its last legs and fail in the new owners ownership.
As for paperwork, I've got emails from HR Owen but don't recall ever getting a bit of paper when I've picked the car up after work done. Aren't we meant to be paperless these days
Never you mind said:
As for paperwork, I've got emails from HR Owen but don't recall ever getting a bit of paper when I've picked the car up after work done. Aren't we meant to be paperless these days
Strange. I have paperwork from HR Owen (in one of their little folders) every time I take my car there, even if no work was carried out (i.e just an inspection). I keep all the paper history.Maybe another pre-LP/LP thing?
EpsomJames said:
Strange. I have paperwork from HR Owen (in one of their little folders) every time I take my car there, even if no work was carried out (i.e just an inspection). I keep all the paper history.
Maybe another pre-LP/LP thing?
Doubt it's a pre LP/LP thing. Invoice sent by email, paid with a bank transfer, collect car, <tyre screech> Woo Hoo </tyre screech> and off I go. Never noticed a little folder thing in the seat. Maybe another pre-LP/LP thing?
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