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Notsip8

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54 posts

111 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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Not sure if this is more suited on the Ferrari V8 section. But as they are older cars, here goes.
Considering a manual box V8. Its a 10-20 yr commitment.
355 would be ideal, but I am priced out.

Enjoy twisty A roads, so the 348's dog leg box would suit well.
To me the 348 looks prettier and not as shouty as a 360. From a social perspective, I would feel more comfortable in the 348.
360 being newer, wont need any major restoration spend, lower servicing costs and generally less fragile ?
Hoping to enjoy 3000 dry miles p.a.

Valued opinions from both sides of the camp please

cgt2

7,141 posts

195 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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Quite different cars, you really need to try both. The 360 is much easier to drive and more refined.

Performance is not up to modern standards so it's about the experience not speed.

348 has wonderful steering (non assisted) probably the best thing about the car for me. No driver aids, you do need to be careful with the throttle on greasy surfaces. TB much stiffer than TS or Spider. Small size so quite nimble. Be prepared for small niggles, part of the character of them however well maintained.

360 has better build and finish and has a manual lovely gearbox. You may need to get gearbox cables adjusted to maximise this.

Both sound much better than the later 430, particularly with sports exhausts.

alephnull

358 posts

182 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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360s are still 20 years old...plenty of items will have got a bit tired, dampers, suspension etc. I would expect to have to spend even on a 'well kept' car as few people replace tired items that still work properly. Plenty of drivers wouldn't notice the feel of worn out suspension unless they drove a properly refreshed car back to back.

davek_964

9,297 posts

182 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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I've had both, with about a gap of a year or two in between.

348 was better than I expected - but it did feel like an "old" car (this was about 2010 I think, so was already 20 years old). Mine was generally very reliable - but at the same time, always seemed to need small niggling things fixed quite often (e.g. electrical connections on the door which was a common issue). Great car - but in my opinion, not worth the current prices at all. I bought / sold mine when they were in the £25-30k region - now they've approached 360 levels there is no comparison.

360 - I still think it's the best car I've owned. Absolutely perfect balance of power - not too fast for UK roads, but quick. Loved the power deliver, loved the noise, loved the handling. Comfortable, decent size petrol tank (300 miles on a tank, even when having fun).
Mine was generally very reliable - at least until the cam actuator failed and I needed a top end rebuild on one bank. But that doesn't change my opinion of how good they are.
I owned mine for about 5.5 years and put around 15k miles on it.

For me, it's a very easy choice - I wouldn't even consider a 348 when compared to a 360. But it is all very subjective (and it sounds like you prefer the 348) - and as said, 360s aren't exactly new these days.

Notsip8

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54 posts

111 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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Not looking for speed.
A bit of drama and rawness. Dog leg box and unassisted steering help tick those boxes.
Noise wise would you say the 360 with its higher redline is better ?

davek_964

9,297 posts

182 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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Notsip8 said:
Not looking for speed.
A bit of drama and rawness. Dog leg box and unassisted steering help tick those boxes.
Noise wise would you say the 360 with its higher redline is better ?
I don't remember the noise from the 348 - I do remember the 360 well though. Not sure if it's due to the redline, but the 360 is generally considered to be one of the best sounding V8 Ferraris. However - I'm quite sure the 348 still sounds very good - and there are always exhaust options.

For me, the 360 had a lot of drama and was quite raw. The 348 was fun - but on twisty roads, I found the 360 more fun more often. The 360 is still very go-kart like even though it looks a much bigger car.

(Oh - and not that it really makes much difference - but the slats on the side of the 348 are a f*****g pain to clean and dry!).

I think a 360 offers a lot more for similar price - but, if your heart wants a 348 then I reckon you should aim for the 348.

Slippydiff

15,151 posts

230 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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davek_964 said:
I don't remember the noise from the 348 - I do remember the 360 well though. Not sure if it's due to the redline, but the 360 is generally considered to be one of the best sounding V8 Ferraris. However - I'm quite sure the 348 still sounds very good - and there are always exhaust options.

For me, the 360 had a lot of drama and was quite raw. The 348 was fun - but on twisty roads, I found the 360 more fun more often. The 360 is still very go-kart like even though it looks a much bigger car.

(Oh - and not that it really makes much difference - but the slats on the side of the 348 are a f*****g pain to clean and dry!).

I think a 360 offers a lot more for similar price - but, if your heart wants a 348 then I reckon you should aim for the 348.
348 can be made to sound as good as the 360, for a price ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHsh1XqcYtw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aoogO7PGGg

MDL111

7,172 posts

184 months

Friday 16th April 2021
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I don't have anything to add as I have not owned either car. I loved my 355, so shame that that one is not in budget.
I personally would probably also look at a 328 - I think it looks really nice

Allandwf

1,761 posts

202 months

Saturday 17th April 2021
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I had the same choice. I wanted the raw, uncompromised feel of the 348.i totally get the social thing, people see me tinkering with the 348, it has the odd battle scar it's not polished to an inch of its life, they stop and speak. I think the 360 would appear a lot more ostentatious, to me anyway. Its a different era car. But it's what you feel comfier with, and driving. Try both.

4rephill

5,066 posts

185 months

Saturday 17th April 2021
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The 348 is a much better car than people give it credit for.

So many people berate the 348 for having handling issues (far too many of whom, have never even sat in a 348, let alone driven one!). I'm not going to say the 348 doesn't have issues, because they do, but the reality is, those issues only really occur when the car is either driven "at the limit", or when the car is driven in a manner not suited to the car.

When it comes to the "at the limit" handling, I'm talking about the sort of driving that should only really be used on track, not on the public roads, because they occur at well above UK legal speed limits - Driving at ten or eleven tenths. Most (if not all) 348's get driven at a maximum of seven tenths, because that's more than enough for fast driving on public roads, owner's are wary of their reputation, and they're old cars now.

What I mean by driving "in a manner not suited to the car" is: Heavy braking or accelerating hard mid-corner, or suddenly lifting off the throttle mid bend - The chassis doesn't like any of that, it unsettles the car, making it feel nervous, and the car feeling nervous makes the driver feel nervous, resulting in them braking/lifting off or trying to accelerate, which, as already noted, the car does not like.

Drive a 348 in the style of Sir Jackie Stewart - getting your braking done before the bend, being smooth with the steering and throttle through the bend, and only applying hard acceleration once the car has straightened up, and it will reward you greatly.

Try to drive a 348 in the style of Senna or Schumacher - braking late into the bend, stabbing the throttle hard mid-bend, and making sudden steering changes mid-bend, and there's a good chance a 348 will bite back and send you to off into the scenery!

As Swiss Tony would put it: "Driving a 348 is like making love to a beautiful woman!.....Treat her with respect, take the time to learn what she likes, and how she likes to be handled, and she will give you hours of pleasure!......Try to rush her, or force her to do something she doesn't want to, and you're in for a miserable time!"

The 348 also has a secret that not many know about (but has been indicated already in this thread) - It's steering is amongst the best of any Ferrari ever made! (In fact, some well esteemed motoring journalists have suggested that the 348's steering is the actually THE best steering of any Ferrari ever made).

At parking speeds, with no power steering, manoeuvring can be a bit of a work out (I have to say though, that I've got scrawny, skinny arms, but I could still cope with the 348 at parking speeds without any real issue), but once rolling along, the steering weights up beautifully, communicates what the road surface is doing perfectly, and is so direct, that as soon as you move the steering wheel, the car reacts - It's genuinely like a big go-cart.

The 348 is a proper old school Ferrari - The last of the traditional 5 speed dog-leg gearboxes, no power steering, rear buttresses, and a mid to late 80's design (the mini-Testarossa look, with the side strakes and grille over the rear lights is a bit Marmite - You either tend to love it or hate it. Personally, I love the looks, but if you don't like it, it's not difficult to convert a 348 to the F355 like - The 355 front bumper and door scoops are pretty much bolt on, and, although it takes a bit of work to give the 348 rear end an F355 look, with round tail lights, it can be done)

348 build quality? - I've never seen anything that says it's any worse than the much admired F335's build quality -, and I don't think the 360 is much better either. Whether you buy a 348, 355 or a 360, sticky plastics will raise it's ugly head!

One negative of owning a 348 - they can be a bit of a bugger to get in and out of, due to the wide door sills. I'm a little over 6'1", and I'd just about always catch the back of my leg on the sill getting in or out.

I've never owned or driven a 360, but, being two generations later than a 348, it's bound to be a much better performing car/handling car.

Looks-wise, the 360 has never really grabbed me.

In a similar way that people had a problem with the Ford Sierra when it came out in 1984, after years of the old, square Cortina's, the 360 was a bit too much of a jelly mould car to me (strangely, I've never had the same issue with the F430 - Go figure!)

The image of the 360 (and the F355 for that matter), is also hampered for me, by the numerous cr4ppy replicas that exist. Just about every time I get a glimpse of a 355 or 360 on the road, my first thought is: "It's probably a replica!".

I have no doubt that the 360 is a much better car than a 348 - Having owned a 348 TS though, I am totally biased, and would have another 348 over the 360 every time.

As I posted at the start: "The 348 is a much better car than people give it credit for."

davek_964

9,297 posts

182 months

Saturday 17th April 2021
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The 360 is significantly better build quality than the 348. That's not to say the 348 is bad, but the 360 is very noticeably better.

belfry

980 posts

189 months

Saturday 17th April 2021
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I’ve had a few Ferrari’s over the years. I find myself drawn to the more classic cars. I had a 360 but it was too shouty for me. It was a great car but not entirely suited to me. I do have a Mondial T which has the same engine as the 348 together with the dogleg gearbox. We drove it out to Tuscany a few years ago and it was great fun and very comfortable. If I had the 360 and the Mondial T next to each other in the garage I’d use the Mondial more and it scratches that manual classic Ferrari itch. My 360 was F1 which will have affected my experience. If I only had one car to use as a daily it’d be a 360 though.

MitchT

16,230 posts

216 months

Saturday 17th April 2021
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davek_964 said:
Notsip8 said:
Noise wise would you say the 360 with its higher redline is better ?
I don't remember the noise from the 348 - I do remember the 360 well though. Not sure if it's due to the redline, but the 360 is generally considered to be one of the best sounding V8 Ferraris. However - I'm quite sure the 348 still sounds very good - and there are always exhaust options.
The 360 sounds great but the 348, like the 355, has an angry, blood curdling howl that the 360 and other modern V8 Ferraris lack. It's a much more exciting noise to my ear. Look up some videos on YouTube and compare the noise!

cgt2

7,141 posts

195 months

Sunday 18th April 2021
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davek_964 said:
The 360 is significantly better build quality than the 348. That's not to say the 348 is bad, but the 360 is very noticeably better.
I agree but both quite crummy by the modern standard of Ferrari build quality. A 348 or 355 never let me down over many miles even though there were episodes such as rainwater running like Niagara Falls through the A-Pillar, the heater controls going bonkers repeatedly etc. I did get stranded in a manual 360 when the gear selector refused to move, that was the dreaded gearbox cables.

silber

72 posts

167 months

Sunday 18th April 2021
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I've got a 348ts and a manual 360 spider, so here are some perspectives:

348ts
Really nice compact size, excellent visibility, but still spacious enough and takes a lot of luggage up front.
Has multiples more feel and sensation to it through the chassis than the 360. I find it more fun to chuck about and challenge the grip at lower speeds as the dampers are less stiff and the body leans a bit, so you feel some pitching under braking and acceleration, and get a little roll in corners. This is huge fun and makes the car feel very alive when you're driving it like a Ferrari should be driven. Excellently placed pedals for heal and toe, loads of front end grip, and as you feed in the gas the weight shifts back, the steering gets a bit lighter and yet more talkative, and off you go. On a proper drive on a long winding road, you have to work hard and you get the reward.
I find the seats very over-bolstered on a long drive (eg 2+ hours), but don't let that put you off. I think about fitting sports seats as were available in the 355, siting lower, getting even more chassis connection and feel.
The brakes do the job but I would prefer a bit more stopping power.
It's really not fast, but fast enough to be fun and to exercise the chassis.
I think it sounds a bit bland apart from the last few hundred rpm when you get a feel for how a 355 would keep on screaming, but I have the standard exhaust. A friend has one with a Tubi and it sounds great and gives another element of character to the car. It is however a creamy smooth engine that pulls willingly.
The gear ratios are excellent; each up-change at or near the redline drops you right back in the power band.
The gear box needs warming up, so I can only get 2nd gear after 5 or 10 minutes (summer v winter). As the car keeps warming up it gets better and better; mechanical, precise, click-clacky. You'll want to practice your heal and toe for the fun it.
The steering is way heavy at parking, but worth it. Precise and feelsome when moving.
People love it - it's fun watching their reactions.
Comes alive and at its best when being driven hard, but always an event.

360 spider
Very spacious inside, but frankly a bit too big. Would rather it were 10cm narrower.
Very usable and I've done a few journeys of thousands of miles no probs. Comfortable (I have carbon sports seats), sufficient luggage space in the frunk and shelf in the cabin, etc etc. Quite fun when in countries when you can extend it and enjoy the higher gears screaming you forward.
Much more direct, racey feel than the 348 and an altogether different character for it. Everything feels sharper and more precise. The willingness of the engine to rev is stunning, and the sound is addictive. The gearbox needs 5 mins to warm up and is sweet as they come. An absolute joy to change for the fun of it, along with the engine sound that goes from low rev gargle to proper scream. Particularly good in a forest or by rock face when you get the sound ricocheting back - genuinely hilarious. With the roof down the standard exhaust is all you need, but I can understand sports exhausts for Modenas.
The chassis doesn't talk like the 348 and even after having a good geo done, always feel like I'm missing the last edge of understanding what the car is doing. Jumping back into the 348, it feels like you/I can chuck the car around more willingly because you feel much more.
You have two damper modes that also adjust the traction control. In normal mode the dampers handle UK roads reasonably well but the t/c interjects too willingly and can be distracting. So, sport mode is default to relax that, but results in a brittle ride on rough roads. Alternative is to leave it in normal and turn all traction and stability systems (ASR) off.
This car is properly quick (but not excessively so like the latest models) and easy enough to challenge speed limits and way beyond, but thankfully the gear ratios are short enough to enjoy moving up and down the gears. The engine has sufficient torque for cruising around (much better than a 355), but really gets going above 4500 rpm. Keeping between 5000 and 8500 over a long road is properly exciting.

In the 348 you feel sat in the middle of the car, at the centre of the axis and the car moving equally around you. In the 360 you feel more forward, like you're pointing the car.

I had my second go in an F8 recently, going to/from the test drive in my 360. The 360 felt much lighter and the steering more alive, so you see the trend...

Whichever you get you'll enjoy for different reasons. Hope this helped.

Notsip8

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54 posts

111 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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Great comments. Thanks all

Notsip8

Original Poster:

54 posts

111 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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MitchT said:
The 360 sounds great but the 348, like the 355, has an angry, blood curdling howl that the 360 and other modern V8 Ferraris lack. It's a much more exciting noise to my ear. Look up some videos on YouTube and compare the noise!
MitchT, Is this from a live comparison or utube recordings?

Through my own searches, I thought the 360 with a Challenge Stradale exhaust and optimizing the ECU sounded the best. Race car like sound.
So awake, rapid fire like up and down shifts. Its simply buzzing with excitement.

I found the 348 with a Capristo Stg3 gave that slow, draggy "blood curling howl", as you describe.
Sounded like the driver was purposely teasing the performance out just to enjoy it for a bit longer.
Even with the Capristo, it sounded less "exhausty" than the 360, if you know what I mean. Probably down to older intake systems that were not subject to emission control levels of the newer car.

Admittedly these are utube comparisons with multiple variables.

silber

72 posts

167 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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With the 360 are you considering Modena or Spider? With the roof down in the Spider the standard exhaust is certainly loud and musical enough to my ears, and fine enough roof up though I can understand why some more volume might appeal in a coupe as the car is quite insulated. I've driven a Challenge Stradale and a Spider with a CS exhaust and whilst an epic sound, it's actually really antisocially loud and headache-inducing with the roof down for more than a short drive.

I wouldn't call the 360 sound 'exhausty' either, at least with the Spider - you get a nice gargle in the low to mid-range, through to trumpets and scream up to 8500rpm. Overall i think makes up a large part of the fun of the car and doesn't sound like the tuned air you get from modern farty cars.

The best you can do is take some test drives and enjoy. the 348 and 360 are very different propositions - semi-classic sports car v junior supercar in the way they feel and go.

Enjoy.

sparta6

3,734 posts

107 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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I found the 348 sounded better with Tubi system while the Capristo best suited 355.

IIRC could get 25mpg on a run in the 348

andyleeds

668 posts

226 months

Monday 26th April 2021
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how much more is the 355 option vs the 348 or 360?