Should I trade my CS for a 16M?
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Absolutely adore my CS but now the prices have narrowed should I take the plunge - which of the two will prove the most special in the future? Of concern, right now, is that good CS have sold well in the mid £100k's whereas the three 16M's seem to have hung around including the Abu Dhabi blue car that has relocated from Lovetts to Furlongers recently.
Before I get slammed, the driving experience IS important to me and I haven't driven a 16M, thoughts and opinion from those that know?
Before I get slammed, the driving experience IS important to me and I haven't driven a 16M, thoughts and opinion from those that know?
Jappo said:
Absolutely adore my CS but now the prices have narrowed should I take the plunge - which of the two will prove the most special in the future? Of concern, right now, is that good CS have sold well in the mid £100k's whereas the three 16M's seem to have hung around including the Abu Dhabi blue car that has relocated from Lovetts to Furlongers recently.
Before I get slammed, the driving experience IS important to me and I haven't driven a 16M, thoughts and opinion from those that know?
Suspect this question will divide opinion. Before I get slammed, the driving experience IS important to me and I haven't driven a 16M, thoughts and opinion from those that know?
Owned both and would vote 16M but neither is the wrong choice. They are both brilliant and the smile per mile for either is off the scale. Both are rare, one is rarer. CS value is currently at an all time high, who knows how values for either will fare, I suspect both will do well.
Russell996 said:
Suspect this question will divide opinion.
Owned both and would vote 16M but neither is the wrong choice. They are both brilliant and the smile per mile for either is off the scale. Both are rare, one is rarer. CS value is currently at an all time high, who knows how values for either will fare, I suspect both will do well.
Russell, I've always thought your 16M is a particularly nice looking one! Owned both and would vote 16M but neither is the wrong choice. They are both brilliant and the smile per mile for either is off the scale. Both are rare, one is rarer. CS value is currently at an all time high, who knows how values for either will fare, I suspect both will do well.
OP, it is hard to tell which will fare better in the future. Both will be classics based on rarity and appeal.
These cars are still fairly modern so you're talking another 20 to 30 years before they both reach 'classic' values. I don't think the CS values are a 'blip' so "you'd better cash in while they have peaked" is not the right view IMO.
Nevertheless, since you will probably not lose on either and will have to wait a long time to make a very big sum on either, it comes down to the drive and your preference.
I love my CS too, but I can certainly see the appeal in a 16M - it is a more modern drive, mostly because of the gearbox. Those rifle-quick gear changes are pretty addictive. If you like open top driving and only keep one car, it makes a very compelling case indeed. I would probably make the switch if I could only keep one car but since I keep an open top as a second car I prefer to keep the CS rather than change it for a 16M. I wouldn't change for a scud but others prefer a scud. You have to drive and see.
Jappo said:
Absolutely adore my CS but now the prices have narrowed should I take the plunge - which of the two will prove the most special in the future? Of concern, right now, is that good CS have sold well in the mid £100k's whereas the three 16M's seem to have hung around including the Abu Dhabi blue car that has relocated from Lovetts to Furlongers recently.
Before I get slammed, the driving experience IS important to me and I haven't driven a 16M, thoughts and opinion from those that know?
Chop it in for a 991 GT3. Makes everything else out there seem very old and very expensive too. Gamechanger.Before I get slammed, the driving experience IS important to me and I haven't driven a 16M, thoughts and opinion from those that know?
jackal said:
Yeah why not? At least you could turn round after it all and say that you lived a bit and weren't controlled by money.
I've got a 10 year old CS, and I'm now looking at a 5 year old 16M. If I want a GT3, and they're admittedly lovely, I'll buy one in a few Years when they're £70K-£80K, but I somehow doubt one would lift my soul in the way that my CS does on a 6am blast - frankly what worries me about a 16M is that it won't either.I am not ashamed to admit that I cannot afford to lose £50K a Year on a car and I'm sure I'm not the only one on this forum in the same position. I do my depreciating with my day car (a tweaked GTR in case you were asking) so my toys have to be capable of holding, or at least not losing too much of, their value during the time I own them, while also being driveable and entertaining and desirable.
In other words I've decided to spend much of my disposable income on my passion for cars rather than sensible pensions and other stuff and, one day, I may end up living in a caravan, at the age of 70 with not two farthings to rub together - but you know what, I won't care, I'll be my kid's and the NHS's problem by then
Jappo said:
I've got a 10 year old CS, and I'm now looking at a 5 year old 16M. If I want a GT3, and they're admittedly lovely, I'll buy one in a few Years when they're £70K-£80K, but I somehow doubt one would lift my soul in the way that my CS does on a 6am blast - frankly what worries me about a 16M is that it won't either.
I am not ashamed to admit that I cannot afford to lose £50K a Year on a car and I'm sure I'm not the only one on this forum in the same position. I do my depreciating with my day car (a tweaked GTR in case you were asking) so my toys have to be capable of holding, or at least not losing too much of, their value during the time I own them, while also being driveable and entertaining and desirable.
In other words I've decided to spend much of my disposable income on my passion for cars rather than sensible pensions and other stuff and, one day, I may end up living in a caravan, at the age of 70 with not two farthings to rub together - but you know what, I won't care, I'll be my kid's and the NHS's problem by then
Oh yeah, just realised, my 10 Year old CS is worth more than a new GT3I am not ashamed to admit that I cannot afford to lose £50K a Year on a car and I'm sure I'm not the only one on this forum in the same position. I do my depreciating with my day car (a tweaked GTR in case you were asking) so my toys have to be capable of holding, or at least not losing too much of, their value during the time I own them, while also being driveable and entertaining and desirable.
In other words I've decided to spend much of my disposable income on my passion for cars rather than sensible pensions and other stuff and, one day, I may end up living in a caravan, at the age of 70 with not two farthings to rub together - but you know what, I won't care, I'll be my kid's and the NHS's problem by then
Jappo said:
I've got a 10 year old CS, and I'm now looking at a 5 year old 16M. If I want a GT3, and they're admittedly lovely, I'll buy one in a few Years when they're £70K-£80K, but I somehow doubt one would lift my soul in the way that my CS does on a 6am blast - frankly what worries me about a 16M is that it won't either.
I am not ashamed to admit that I cannot afford to lose £50K a Year on a car and I'm sure I'm not the only one on this forum in the same position. I do my depreciating with my day car (a tweaked GTR in case you were asking) so my toys have to be capable of holding, or at least not losing too much of, their value during the time I own them, while also being driveable and entertaining and desirable.
In other words I've decided to spend much of my disposable income on my passion for cars rather than sensible pensions and other stuff and, one day, I may end up living in a caravan, at the age of 70 with not two farthings to rub together - but you know what, I won't care, I'll be my kid's and the NHS's problem by then
If you get a 16M you will want to get out of bed at 5.00 am for a sunday blast and in the summer you might not even bother to go to bed.I am not ashamed to admit that I cannot afford to lose £50K a Year on a car and I'm sure I'm not the only one on this forum in the same position. I do my depreciating with my day car (a tweaked GTR in case you were asking) so my toys have to be capable of holding, or at least not losing too much of, their value during the time I own them, while also being driveable and entertaining and desirable.
In other words I've decided to spend much of my disposable income on my passion for cars rather than sensible pensions and other stuff and, one day, I may end up living in a caravan, at the age of 70 with not two farthings to rub together - but you know what, I won't care, I'll be my kid's and the NHS's problem by then
The 16M only adds to the experience compared to a CS and you will not be disappointed. There is something special about open top motoring even in this rain sodden country IMHO
16m is awesome and a very safe place for your money (I have much the same outlook, not buying depreciating cars)
BUT I think it will be missing that special something the CS has got that's missing from most Supercars. Drive one first, would be terrible to do the deal then have regrets afterwards!
BUT I think it will be missing that special something the CS has got that's missing from most Supercars. Drive one first, would be terrible to do the deal then have regrets afterwards!
hazy said:
16m is awesome and a very safe place for your money (I have much the same outlook, not buying depreciating cars)
BUT I think it will be missing that special something the CS has got that's missing from most Supercars. Drive one first, would be terrible to do the deal then have regrets afterwards!
I'm struggling to work out what special thing a CS has that a 16M doesn't! BUT I think it will be missing that special something the CS has got that's missing from most Supercars. Drive one first, would be terrible to do the deal then have regrets afterwards!
AndrewD said:
hazy said:
16m is awesome and a very safe place for your money (I have much the same outlook, not buying depreciating cars)
BUT I think it will be missing that special something the CS has got that's missing from most Supercars. Drive one first, would be terrible to do the deal then have regrets afterwards!
I'm struggling to work out what special thing a CS has that a 16M doesn't! BUT I think it will be missing that special something the CS has got that's missing from most Supercars. Drive one first, would be terrible to do the deal then have regrets afterwards!
A few special things about the 16m/scud come to mind though which the CS doesn't have !
AndrewD said:
I'm struggling to work out what special thing a CS has that a 16M doesn't!
Not driving a 16m but the Scud is certainly missing some of the CS DNA, iI drove a Scud when they were released with the intention of changing but just thought.......nahhh. Don't ask me what it is coz I don't know, CS makes the hairs on my arms stand up Having said that my dream garage would contain a 16M and a CGT, no question.
Ive got a CS and a 997.2 GT3 Club Sport and ive driven a F430 Scud a fair few miles. Although I really liked the scud gearbox and I wish it was on the CS for the money invested im fairly happy with what I have. Cheap road tax on the strad too!
The 997.2 is looking like a decent investment at the moment as the 991 is so much more money and they have a thermal issue.
Amari has FOUR stradales according to his website at the moment so the supply is about to meet the demand although I am not sure if they are RHD.
I adore the red RHD 16M above and when you come to let it go there will be a large demand for it.
The 997.2 is looking like a decent investment at the moment as the 991 is so much more money and they have a thermal issue.
Amari has FOUR stradales according to his website at the moment so the supply is about to meet the demand although I am not sure if they are RHD.
I adore the red RHD 16M above and when you come to let it go there will be a large demand for it.
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