Every day tips for living with a 599
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Cheburator mk2 said:
It's a real shame if your pump has failed, but it's to be expected... It's not the actual pump that has failed - there is very little in the pump body which can malfunction. It's the electric motor that usually gives up the ghost. It's sealed and uses traditional brushes. As the latter wear out, there is nowhere for the carbon dust to go, thus it builds up and eventually would short out the windings. An alternative failure mode is that the commutator wears out and the motor doesn't run at full power, thus the pump cannot reach the required pressure threshold - from memory 40-odd bar - and it runs on and on, burning out the fuse, itself, the relay or all three!
The pump motor itself isn't anything special and can be reconditioned for a song by a good electrical shop. Alternatively, you can buy it from places like this one:
https://mlreng.com/products/ferrari-maserati-21426...
Or you may be lucky and have the original motor/pump which were found on Alfa Romeo Selespeed transmissions and cost buttons for the whole assembly. Whether you can live with a dragon swallowing a man instead of a prancing donkey is another story...
Ferrari would sell you of course the whole pump, which isn't necessary, but when time is of the essence, Koln would be the only solution. Ask to keep your old pump and have a new motor fitted. They aren't getting cheaper and more available, and are known weak spot on the F1 system...
P.S. Given your use of the car, I would look to have a set of two custom lines made and run a cooler on the low pressure side. It should be a lot more cost effective than the GTO solution. Btw, the girly sister company doesn't suffer with the same overheating issues, and the F1 system there is even faster/more stressed...
Hi Cheburator,The pump motor itself isn't anything special and can be reconditioned for a song by a good electrical shop. Alternatively, you can buy it from places like this one:
https://mlreng.com/products/ferrari-maserati-21426...
Or you may be lucky and have the original motor/pump which were found on Alfa Romeo Selespeed transmissions and cost buttons for the whole assembly. Whether you can live with a dragon swallowing a man instead of a prancing donkey is another story...
Ferrari would sell you of course the whole pump, which isn't necessary, but when time is of the essence, Koln would be the only solution. Ask to keep your old pump and have a new motor fitted. They aren't getting cheaper and more available, and are known weak spot on the F1 system...
P.S. Given your use of the car, I would look to have a set of two custom lines made and run a cooler on the low pressure side. It should be a lot more cost effective than the GTO solution. Btw, the girly sister company doesn't suffer with the same overheating issues, and the F1 system there is even faster/more stressed...
Edited by Cheburator mk2 on Tuesday 25th June 10:36
That's fantastic information and matches what Simon at SS Autotech said. As you said time limits options and I'm no so bothered the part origin. It's amazing how many times the prancing donkey parts come is a girly sister company box
I'll see about keeping the pump / motor and getting it refurbished.
Really so appreciate the help, thank you
It's a 5k walk on a beautiful morning back to my stranded car. While waiting for the tow truck I follow Lee's advice and swap everything back to standard for fuses and relays leaving the blown ones pulled.
The tow truck arrives and we have to push the 599 around as I stupidly parked nose in but no other option really. Tell you what she is heavy to push around and without the power steering (car won't allow me to start) we're struggling. But we managed to make enough room to get the tow truck infront.
The tow truck driver likes the 599, he's even more impressed by the bug splatter. I don't think he likes garage queens. He asks if I drove on the Nordschleife and I show him my lap time. I get a thumps up and 'super'.
All loaded up and off to Ferrari Koln
https://koeln.ferraridealers.com/de-DE
A little over an hour later we arrive. Set up is very much like Ferrari Hamburg.
And I enjoy some Ferrari hospitality as they're super busy. All ramps are full and there's a queue. I'm hanging around for a couple hours in the hope they can run a quick diagnostic before I have to leave.
The tow truck arrives and we have to push the 599 around as I stupidly parked nose in but no other option really. Tell you what she is heavy to push around and without the power steering (car won't allow me to start) we're struggling. But we managed to make enough room to get the tow truck infront.
The tow truck driver likes the 599, he's even more impressed by the bug splatter. I don't think he likes garage queens. He asks if I drove on the Nordschleife and I show him my lap time. I get a thumps up and 'super'.
All loaded up and off to Ferrari Koln
https://koeln.ferraridealers.com/de-DE
A little over an hour later we arrive. Set up is very much like Ferrari Hamburg.
And I enjoy some Ferrari hospitality as they're super busy. All ramps are full and there's a queue. I'm hanging around for a couple hours in the hope they can run a quick diagnostic before I have to leave.
https://youtu.be/D4-u6k0DjsY?si=EnH1pqVcMTB31BXC
I do like his videos and he's quite right: expensive and very special but he's wrong about the gearbox and suspension.
Suspension can be rebuilt just go and speak to Leo at madeno racing and there's another polish company that does it.
As for the gearbox auto mode you learn to feel for when it wants to change and you can really help it and that smooth it out a lot. Full throttle upshift is brutal.
I do agree about the bumpy road button.
And you can really Hustle but you do need your wits about you. Especially CST off.
I do like his videos and he's quite right: expensive and very special but he's wrong about the gearbox and suspension.
Suspension can be rebuilt just go and speak to Leo at madeno racing and there's another polish company that does it.
As for the gearbox auto mode you learn to feel for when it wants to change and you can really help it and that smooth it out a lot. Full throttle upshift is brutal.
I do agree about the bumpy road button.
And you can really Hustle but you do need your wits about you. Especially CST off.
ANOpax said:
Sorry to hear that she’s out of action until August. What a bummer.
Apologies if I missed it earlier in the thread but what device are you using to read the OBD error codes? It should probably be part of every travelling tool kit!
This is the oneApologies if I missed it earlier in the thread but what device are you using to read the OBD error codes? It should probably be part of every travelling tool kit!
https://www.autelstore.co.uk/wholesale/autel-maxia...
cake eater said:
ANOpax said:
Sorry to hear that she’s out of action until August. What a bummer.
Apologies if I missed it earlier in the thread but what device are you using to read the OBD error codes? It should probably be part of every travelling tool kit!
This is the oneApologies if I missed it earlier in the thread but what device are you using to read the OBD error codes? It should probably be part of every travelling tool kit!
https://www.autelstore.co.uk/wholesale/autel-maxia...
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/product-group-tests/...
https://haynes.com/en-gb/tips-tutorials/best-obd-s...
cake eater said:
This is the one
https://www.autelstore.co.uk/wholesale/autel-maxia...
Thank you for the recommendation. I've ordered one.https://www.autelstore.co.uk/wholesale/autel-maxia...
Any update from Ferrari?
ANOpax said:
cake eater said:
This is the one
https://www.autelstore.co.uk/wholesale/autel-maxia...
Thank you for the recommendation. I've ordered one.https://www.autelstore.co.uk/wholesale/autel-maxia...
Any update from Ferrari?
cake eater said:
Genuinely do not know how these sort of hybrids and EVs are set to kill our beloved dinosaurs. Such a lie the average motorist is being sold at the moment with lithium based power in terms of over all carbon footprint over whole of life. Very sad and all to the benefit of competing single party governments...Our leaders in West literally clueless. Not to mention these EVs and hybrids so average to drive.
Back on topic legend for using a 599 like this! I find the back end so twitchy on these I would not dare
cake eater said:
ANOpax said:
cake eater said:
This is the one
https://www.autelstore.co.uk/wholesale/autel-maxia...
Thank you for the recommendation. I've ordered one.https://www.autelstore.co.uk/wholesale/autel-maxia...
Any update from Ferrari?
We'll see what the update is once installed.
IMI A said:
cake eater said:
Genuinely do not know how these sort of hybrids and EVs are set to kill our beloved dinosaurs. Such a lie the average motorist is being sold at the moment with lithium based power in terms of over all carbon footprint over whole of life. Very sad and all to the benefit of competing single party governments...Our leaders in West literally clueless. Not to mention these EVs and hybrids so average to drive.
Back on topic legend for using a 599 like this! I find the back end so twitchy on these I would not dare
As for EVs saving the world I think they're sadly mistaken but you have to start somewhere.
As for the donkey's arse, definitely deserves watching.
I was reading this thread and it has made me wonder about my own risk acceptance, especially as I do lean on the CST and have experienced some of the things mentioned
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing//topic.asp?h=0...
Nordschleife is not a place to turn the CST off and see what happens. I have at Millbrook and Drift.de but you've lots of room for when it goes wrong. And it goes wrong for me a lot.
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