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Unless the ad says it has, it's unlikely to have been replaced. 'They all fail eventually' I've been told. Ferrari charge £20k for a replacement, others £8K apparently.
You'd be sick to the back teeth if you bought an FF & it failed soon afterwards. Maybe the values will end up like borescored 997's, worth more with re-built engines than one that's 'never caused me any issues' then goes pop.
Perhaps replaced PCU's should command a premium over cars that haven't had the work done. The ones that haven't had the part replaced should be £8K less than advertised.
You'd be sick to the back teeth if you bought an FF & it failed soon afterwards. Maybe the values will end up like borescored 997's, worth more with re-built engines than one that's 'never caused me any issues' then goes pop.
Perhaps replaced PCU's should command a premium over cars that haven't had the work done. The ones that haven't had the part replaced should be £8K less than advertised.
Kettmark said:
Unless the ad says it has, it's unlikely to have been replaced. 'They all fail eventually' I've been told.
Everything fails eventually.Based on reported data, the failure rate is about 0.9% per annum. There are some dealerships which have never had to replace a PTU (Meridian - though this info is a few years old now so may be incorrect).
The PTU issue is blown out of proportion because of the historically high cost of fixing it. Just as, early on, the Cali and 458 suffered a lot of speed sensor failures and developed a negative press around gearbox replacement.
But you don’t hear people saying that a Cali or 458 without a fresh speed sensor should have a £8k discount applied even though they’re more likely to suffer a DCT failure than an FF have a PTU failure.
I agree that a freshly overhauled DCT or PTU should be a major consideration in any purchase - as the old adage goes, buy on condition!
Edited by ANOpax on Thursday 13th July 15:31
I would have paid a premium for a car with the "improved" ptu rather than a replacement Ferrari one with the same defects.
My car has a Ferrari warranty which reduces the financial risk.
Moving forward I might be tempted to self insure the ptu, rather than to extend the F warranty, as £8-10k get us the improved and updated ptu.
My car has a Ferrari warranty which reduces the financial risk.
Moving forward I might be tempted to self insure the ptu, rather than to extend the F warranty, as £8-10k get us the improved and updated ptu.
During the recent hot weather I have been sliding the cover under the glass roof to stop the heat building. Does the FF have the option to darken the tint of the glass? Is it called photochromatic? Or is there another way to reduce the heat from the sun? UV protection on standard auto windows and windscreens has not been very effective recently
belfry said:
During the recent hot weather I have been sliding the cover under the glass roof to stop the heat building. Does the FF have the option to darken the tint of the glass? Is it called photochromatic? Or is there another way to reduce the heat from the sun? UV protection on standard auto windows and windscreens has not been very effective recently
It doesn't but it is tinted. My car has the pan roof, it was a deal breaker for me and I'm glad I bought one with.
I've not found it to be any sort of issue in the recent hot weather.
That’s super cheap for a Lusso!
Personally I wouldn’t buy a FF or Lusso outside of the Ferrari network, the power warranty would be a massive peace of mind considering the PTU issues.
Unfortunately FFs appear seldomly for sale at Ferrari dealers, guess they’re getting a bit too old now.
Viewing a Lusso today but I feel its gonna be a massive long shot!
Personally I wouldn’t buy a FF or Lusso outside of the Ferrari network, the power warranty would be a massive peace of mind considering the PTU issues.
Unfortunately FFs appear seldomly for sale at Ferrari dealers, guess they’re getting a bit too old now.
Viewing a Lusso today but I feel its gonna be a massive long shot!
Frankychops said:
I've been looking at Lusso's. However it seems I can get 90% of the car for 70% less with an FF.
Not ruling out a lusso. Anyone seen any really good ones for sale? there's one with a exhaust on Autotrader(private sale) for £106k.
It isn't on there now! Suspect that was a price error?Not ruling out a lusso. Anyone seen any really good ones for sale? there's one with a exhaust on Autotrader(private sale) for £106k.
Harry Flashman said:
Frankychops said:
I've been looking at Lusso's. However it seems I can get 90% of the car for 70% less with an FF.
Not ruling out a lusso. Anyone seen any really good ones for sale? there's one with a exhaust on Autotrader(private sale) for £106k.
It isn't on there now! Suspect that was a price error?Not ruling out a lusso. Anyone seen any really good ones for sale? there's one with a exhaust on Autotrader(private sale) for £106k.
matrignano said:
That’s super cheap for a Lusso!
Personally I wouldn’t buy a FF or Lusso outside of the Ferrari network, the power warranty would be a massive peace of mind considering the PTU issues.
Unfortunately FFs appear seldomly for sale at Ferrari dealers, guess they’re getting a bit too old now.
Viewing a Lusso today but I feel its gonna be a massive long shot!
If the warranty is important to you, it can be applied to cars sold outside the dealer network. Make it a condition of the sale that you'll pay for the warranty but have the checks done and warranty applied before the sale is final.Personally I wouldn’t buy a FF or Lusso outside of the Ferrari network, the power warranty would be a massive peace of mind considering the PTU issues.
Unfortunately FFs appear seldomly for sale at Ferrari dealers, guess they’re getting a bit too old now.
Viewing a Lusso today but I feel its gonna be a massive long shot!
I've pointed out many times on here that the warranty is poor value for money and with a couple of third party PTU fixes/upgrades available in the UK, the PTU should no longer be the deal-breaker that it once was. Based on the available statistics, you're more likely to suffer a DCT failure than a PTU failure. You'd have to be really unlucky to be hit with a failure of both gearboxes in the same year.
And as the oldest FFs are coming up to their 12th birthdays, the new power 15 warranty won't be available on these cars for much longer.
matrignano said:
That’s super cheap for a Lusso!
Personally I wouldn’t buy a FF or Lusso outside of the Ferrari network, the power warranty would be a massive peace of mind considering the PTU issues.
Unfortunately FFs appear seldomly for sale at Ferrari dealers, guess they’re getting a bit too old now.
Viewing a Lusso today but I feel its gonna be a massive long shot!
Pay £20K more from a dealer and get a warranty or save the £20K and pay £10K for a replacement upgraded PTU should it fail. Personally I wouldn’t buy a FF or Lusso outside of the Ferrari network, the power warranty would be a massive peace of mind considering the PTU issues.
Unfortunately FFs appear seldomly for sale at Ferrari dealers, guess they’re getting a bit too old now.
Viewing a Lusso today but I feel its gonna be a massive long shot!
Seems like a no brainer now. Obviously it was different when a PTU was £25K and dealer only back when there wasn't a better solution.
I'm 7 weeks into FF ownership and think I've started to run into PTU issues unfortunately...
The car is saying "Mannetino failure", "Low ATF fluid pressure", "4WD system failure" and going into Wet mode after a few minutes of driving.
I hadn't driven it for around 4 days and at first I thought it was one of those Italian quirks and didn't pay too much attention thinking it would go away after a restart, but nope, the warnings remain.
I usually keep the car parked up during the week and only drive it every 3 or 4 days at the moment so it could be battery related but I'm not hopeful, although the voltmeter doesn't seem that stable so maybe the battery isn't up to it. It was hovering pretty close to 13.2v when starting off but went up to 13.4v when driving and 13.8v when cruising, which I think is within normal range but wasn't expecting that much variation. When I switched the car off and restarted a few minutes later it was just over 13v again before climbing up slightly which migh indicate a battery which isn't holding charge as well as it should?
Dealer I bought from claimed it was a recent battery, but I haven't checked. I might try a new battery but I'm preparing myself for a PTU failure.
I'm pretty sure the dealer I bought from will be of no help but will give them a call as I only bought in June and have already experienced an engine control system failure warning and now this.
Car is an early model with 50k miles so a prime candidate for PTU problems...
The car is saying "Mannetino failure", "Low ATF fluid pressure", "4WD system failure" and going into Wet mode after a few minutes of driving.
I hadn't driven it for around 4 days and at first I thought it was one of those Italian quirks and didn't pay too much attention thinking it would go away after a restart, but nope, the warnings remain.
I usually keep the car parked up during the week and only drive it every 3 or 4 days at the moment so it could be battery related but I'm not hopeful, although the voltmeter doesn't seem that stable so maybe the battery isn't up to it. It was hovering pretty close to 13.2v when starting off but went up to 13.4v when driving and 13.8v when cruising, which I think is within normal range but wasn't expecting that much variation. When I switched the car off and restarted a few minutes later it was just over 13v again before climbing up slightly which migh indicate a battery which isn't holding charge as well as it should?
Dealer I bought from claimed it was a recent battery, but I haven't checked. I might try a new battery but I'm preparing myself for a PTU failure.
I'm pretty sure the dealer I bought from will be of no help but will give them a call as I only bought in June and have already experienced an engine control system failure warning and now this.
Car is an early model with 50k miles so a prime candidate for PTU problems...
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