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Anyone know this car?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024011254...
Light on pictures especially of interior. But apart from the sticky switches (does anyone know how much this costs to fix?), it seems like a reasonable price if it has recent AV engineering work done?
Any opinions, I suppose specialist inspection would still be the way forward.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024011254...
Light on pictures especially of interior. But apart from the sticky switches (does anyone know how much this costs to fix?), it seems like a reasonable price if it has recent AV engineering work done?
Any opinions, I suppose specialist inspection would still be the way forward.
Nice ball polished wheels.
These guys can sort the sticky stuff.
https://auto-bella.co.uk/ferrari-sticky-removal/
If AV have done the recent service, call them about overall condition and what they value it at.
These guys can sort the sticky stuff.
https://auto-bella.co.uk/ferrari-sticky-removal/
If AV have done the recent service, call them about overall condition and what they value it at.
m4tti said:
18 inch challenge wheels weren’t homologated for road use. The CS wheels which are, were 19 inch.
They are not actually Challenge wheels. Ferrari wouldn't allow BBS to sell 19" Stradale reps so they manufactured and sold the same design as 18" aftermarket reps. They were quite freely available 15 years ago and to my recollection were only ever a road wheel.Mark_Blanchard said:
Looks like a bargain. Manuals are usually £65k plus. Colour isn’t the most desirable. Check the mot history on the gov website and as mentioned give AV a ring.
They were £65k plus. Not in the present market. I was chatting to a friend and with all the fluctuations over two decades 360's seem to have always been around £50k with variations from £40k in the late 00's to highs of £60-70k after covid.Here is the auction listing from when it was sold in 2014: www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2014-11-29/car...
Asking price when it was for sale end 2021/start 2022 (presumably when the current owner bought it) was £56,500.
It was owned at one time by the late Richard Allen, who was chairman of the Ferrari Owners' Club. I believe he was the original owner.
Asking price when it was for sale end 2021/start 2022 (presumably when the current owner bought it) was £56,500.
It was owned at one time by the late Richard Allen, who was chairman of the Ferrari Owners' Club. I believe he was the original owner.
m4tti said:
18 inch challenge wheels weren’t homologated for road use. The CS wheels which are, were 19 inch.
They are actually stronger than the stock wheels and perfectly fine for road use. cgt2 said:
They are not actually Challenge wheels. Ferrari wouldn't allow BBS to sell 19" Stradale reps so they manufactured and sold the same design as 18" aftermarket reps. They were quite freely available 15 years ago and to my recollection were only ever a road wheel.
They are genuine Ferrari parts (front p/n:182058 and rear p/n:182059). See snippet of fronts below taken from the parts directory:
The Stradale got 19" wheels (also made by BBS) of a similar design, to clear the bigger Enzo brakes. FYI the Stradale 19" wheels are actually not very light. But I'm digressing here.
Forgive my long post, but having spoken to marque experts and done my own research — there’s so much misinformation regarding the 360 Challenge wheels!
With these wheels being super light, there was the misconception years ago that they were of “magnesium” construction and therefore “too soft” for the public road. It's what I was led to believe for many years and probably stemmed from the fact the F355's Challenge wheels were magnesium (by Speedline). However, the 360 Challenge wheels are in fact a one piece “flow-formed” aluminium wheel produced by renowned German wheelmaker: BBS, under contract for Ferrari.
"Flow Forming" is a procedure that turns the wheel (or rim section) over a special mandrel and 3 hydraulic rollers using tremendous pressure, forces the rim area to "Form" against the mandrel creating the shape and width of the rim. During the process, the rim actually "Flows" down to create the full rim width. The pressure used in this process actually changes the mechanical properties of the cast rim to have strength and impact values similar to that of a forged rim. "Flow Forming" also helps reduce the weight 15-20% when compared to a standard cast wheel.
So as a result, these Challenge wheels have the benefit of near forged strength and lightweight properties. FYI they shed 4kg of unsprung mass over the stock 360 starfish wheels (and that’s rotational unsprung mass!) Here’s what the legend Aldous, of AV Engineering, has to say about them:
“I firmly believe that these [18” Challenge] wheels are the best looking and performing rims that can be fitted to the 360.” (source: https://aldousvoice.com/2012/11/21/ferrari-360-whe...
Now, the "homologation" or “not fit for street use” statement comes from the fact they were never officially “TUV” tested, despite being produced aftermarket by a German manufacturer, for an OEM (Ferrari). Why? Because Ferrari had no intention of offering them to their general retail customers anyway! There already was the optional Modular split rim available for retail 360 customers in period.
The Challenge wheels were only made available to their Challenge customers. As such; there was no need for either Ferrari or BBS to put the wheels through any costly or lengthy TUV type approval (or equivalent). Also TUV type approval only applies to the sale of aftermarket components in German and Austrian markets — so it is a non-issue for the ROW anyway.
SpecJunkie said:
They are genuine Ferrari parts (front p/n:182058 and rear p/n:182059). See snippet of fronts below taken from the parts directory:
The Stradale got 19" wheels (also made by BBS) of a similar design, to clear the bigger Enzo brakes. FYI the Stradale 19" wheels are actually not very light. But I'm digressing here.
Forgive my long post, but having spoken to marque experts and done my own research — there’s so much misinformation regarding the 360 Challenge wheels!
With these wheels being super light, there was the misconception years ago that they were of “magnesium” construction and therefore “too soft” for the public road. It's what I was led to believe for many years and probably stemmed from the fact the F355's Challenge wheels were magnesium (by Speedline). However, the 360 Challenge wheels are in fact a one piece “flow-formed” aluminium wheel produced by renowned German wheelmaker: BBS, under contract for Ferrari.
"Flow Forming" is a procedure that turns the wheel (or rim section) over a special mandrel and 3 hydraulic rollers using tremendous pressure, forces the rim area to "Form" against the mandrel creating the shape and width of the rim. During the process, the rim actually "Flows" down to create the full rim width. The pressure used in this process actually changes the mechanical properties of the cast rim to have strength and impact values similar to that of a forged rim. "Flow Forming" also helps reduce the weight 15-20% when compared to a standard cast wheel.
So as a result, these Challenge wheels have the benefit of near forged strength and lightweight properties. FYI they shed 4kg of unsprung mass over the stock 360 starfish wheels (and that’s rotational unsprung mass!) Here’s what the legend Aldous, of AV Engineering, has to say about them:
“I firmly believe that these [18” Challenge] wheels are the best looking and performing rims that can be fitted to the 360.” (source: https://aldousvoice.com/2012/11/21/ferrari-360-whe...
Now, the "homologation" or “not fit for street use” statement comes from the fact they were never officially “TUV” tested, despite being produced aftermarket by a German manufacturer, for an OEM (Ferrari). Why? Because Ferrari had no intention of offering them to their general retail customers anyway! There already was the optional Modular split rim available for retail 360 customers in period.
The Challenge wheels were only made available to their Challenge customers. As such; there was no need for either Ferrari or BBS to put the wheels through any costly or lengthy TUV type approval (or equivalent). Also TUV type approval only applies to the sale of aftermarket components in German and Austrian markets — so it is a non-issue for the ROW anyway.
Great detail thank you. I used to see them for sale all the time when I was on a mission to get Stradale 19's for my 360 (which I never could). I never saw them offered via Ferrari only BBS retailers at the time.The Stradale got 19" wheels (also made by BBS) of a similar design, to clear the bigger Enzo brakes. FYI the Stradale 19" wheels are actually not very light. But I'm digressing here.
Forgive my long post, but having spoken to marque experts and done my own research — there’s so much misinformation regarding the 360 Challenge wheels!
With these wheels being super light, there was the misconception years ago that they were of “magnesium” construction and therefore “too soft” for the public road. It's what I was led to believe for many years and probably stemmed from the fact the F355's Challenge wheels were magnesium (by Speedline). However, the 360 Challenge wheels are in fact a one piece “flow-formed” aluminium wheel produced by renowned German wheelmaker: BBS, under contract for Ferrari.
"Flow Forming" is a procedure that turns the wheel (or rim section) over a special mandrel and 3 hydraulic rollers using tremendous pressure, forces the rim area to "Form" against the mandrel creating the shape and width of the rim. During the process, the rim actually "Flows" down to create the full rim width. The pressure used in this process actually changes the mechanical properties of the cast rim to have strength and impact values similar to that of a forged rim. "Flow Forming" also helps reduce the weight 15-20% when compared to a standard cast wheel.
So as a result, these Challenge wheels have the benefit of near forged strength and lightweight properties. FYI they shed 4kg of unsprung mass over the stock 360 starfish wheels (and that’s rotational unsprung mass!) Here’s what the legend Aldous, of AV Engineering, has to say about them:
“I firmly believe that these [18” Challenge] wheels are the best looking and performing rims that can be fitted to the 360.” (source: https://aldousvoice.com/2012/11/21/ferrari-360-whe...
Now, the "homologation" or “not fit for street use” statement comes from the fact they were never officially “TUV” tested, despite being produced aftermarket by a German manufacturer, for an OEM (Ferrari). Why? Because Ferrari had no intention of offering them to their general retail customers anyway! There already was the optional Modular split rim available for retail 360 customers in period.
The Challenge wheels were only made available to their Challenge customers. As such; there was no need for either Ferrari or BBS to put the wheels through any costly or lengthy TUV type approval (or equivalent). Also TUV type approval only applies to the sale of aftermarket components in German and Austrian markets — so it is a non-issue for the ROW anyway.
djwhittaker14 said:
Thanks all. Aldous replied to an email I sent his company over the weekend (which was unexpected but much appreciated). I can see that the advert has been updated with invoices as well, will give Aldous a call tomorrow I reckon. Shame the price has gone up!
Aldous is a top class guy and you can have complete confidence in what he says.djwhittaker14 said:
Thanks all. Aldous replied to an email I sent his company over the weekend (which was unexpected but much appreciated). I can see that the advert has been updated with invoices as well, will give Aldous a call tomorrow I reckon. Shame the price has gone up!
If Aldous has been caring for it, should be a top car and is really low priced, its only negative is the colour for majority, but some buyers will prefer it is silver, I suspect it will be sold by end of month as its superb value for money.ANOpax said:
I don’t understand the lack of appreciation for the silver paintwork. It makes a nice change from boring old rosso corsa and it’s much nicer than the launch grigio alloy which hasn’t aged well.
If it had been in Grigio Titanio, that would have been better. But Argento is some what dated.Edited by Mark_Blanchard on Monday 15th January 17:44
Mark_Blanchard said:
If it had been in Grigio Titanio, that would have been better. But Argento is some what dated.
I was about to say the same. Grigio is by far my fav 360 colour. I had an Argento 355 which looked great but for some reason it has never worked on the 360.Edited by Mark_Blanchard on Monday 15th January 17:44
I think the price is in line with the current market. There is a manual Spider for a few thousand more also in a slightly dodgy colour but also with good history and much lower mileage.
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