Anyone know this 458 Speciale and advice please......
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Hi there
I love my 458 Italia, but at the same time am looking at my options which are:
458 Speciale with higher miles - Cannot see any reason not too.
Performante - Mega fast, but are they boring at legal speeds on the road?
991.1 GT3 RS - Probably won't happen as I know at road legal speeds these cars can be somewhat boring, mainly to blame is long gears.
As such I feel my best move is a Speciale as I absolutely love the 458 Italia, it is so much fun on the road and very easy to drive on the road, here are a few pictures of my car:
Purchased from DL back in early 2019 with around 13k on the clock which is now nearly at 25,000 miles as I've enjoyed several road trips in the car and even used it as a daily driver too. Full Ferrari service history and warranty until Feb/March next year. So my trade in offers have been reasonably respectable with best at 130k.
I had a look at this Speciale at the weekend:
https://www.dapcars.co.uk/vehicle/ferrari-458-spec...
The car in general did seem very clean, the problems with the car are that its from Kuwait so its a LHD vehicle which I am not so sure about, the colour scheme I actually quite like it but of course I'd prefer yellow or red but the car has also missed services which I can potentially see as a mindfield.
Car is on SOR, but the sales guy did seem confident as part of the deal he would have it serviced by Wilmslow Ferrari and powertrain warranty, but would a Ferrari dealer actually supply a warranty on a car with missing services? Car is on around 9800 miles.
My intention with a Speciale is to buy one and use it, hence I am really looking for a car with higher miles as for me to pay 260-300k for a car with under 5k miles is pointless because I will potentially be adding 3-5k miles per year to the car and would look to own it probably for 3-5yr or just simply keep it as a forever car but needless to say buying a low mileage garage queen will just see me loosing a lot of money.
I own the 458 Italia outright, so it would be the deposit plus some cash, but I would look to probably finance around 50k in the short term before settling the finance.
I did notice on the 458 Speciale it had previously been sold by Tom Hartley judging by the branded number plate and the cars numberplate is "KE15 AFO" so if anyone knows the car and its history good or bad please do comment as if I did go for this car, 200k is a hell of a lot of cash to end up in a lemon.
The car also has an Fi exhaust system, sales man did say the owner still has original system too and it would be supplied with car.
The question is would 200k for a LHD Saudi 458 Speciale with 10k miles be a good or bad buy, there does not seem to be a queue forming to buy it so its either not great value or its got history......
Also those who have owned or driven both Italia and Speciale, on the road is the ride similar? I happily drive the 458 Italia in Race mode on the road and I like the firmness, only on terrible roads do I hit bumpy road or dial it back to sport setting. Is the Speciale far harsher?
Also the one weakness for me on the Italia is the steering feel is somewhat lacking, its fast, precise but a bit numb and I wondered from those who have owned/driven both is the feel of the steering any better in the Speciale? I've ran PZERO (terrible), MPSS (good) and PS4S (amazing) on my Italia and I notice the Speciale come with Cup 2 tyres, is the car a death trap in wet or they ok?
I love my 458 Italia, but at the same time am looking at my options which are:
458 Speciale with higher miles - Cannot see any reason not too.
Performante - Mega fast, but are they boring at legal speeds on the road?
991.1 GT3 RS - Probably won't happen as I know at road legal speeds these cars can be somewhat boring, mainly to blame is long gears.
As such I feel my best move is a Speciale as I absolutely love the 458 Italia, it is so much fun on the road and very easy to drive on the road, here are a few pictures of my car:
Purchased from DL back in early 2019 with around 13k on the clock which is now nearly at 25,000 miles as I've enjoyed several road trips in the car and even used it as a daily driver too. Full Ferrari service history and warranty until Feb/March next year. So my trade in offers have been reasonably respectable with best at 130k.
I had a look at this Speciale at the weekend:
https://www.dapcars.co.uk/vehicle/ferrari-458-spec...
The car in general did seem very clean, the problems with the car are that its from Kuwait so its a LHD vehicle which I am not so sure about, the colour scheme I actually quite like it but of course I'd prefer yellow or red but the car has also missed services which I can potentially see as a mindfield.
Car is on SOR, but the sales guy did seem confident as part of the deal he would have it serviced by Wilmslow Ferrari and powertrain warranty, but would a Ferrari dealer actually supply a warranty on a car with missing services? Car is on around 9800 miles.
My intention with a Speciale is to buy one and use it, hence I am really looking for a car with higher miles as for me to pay 260-300k for a car with under 5k miles is pointless because I will potentially be adding 3-5k miles per year to the car and would look to own it probably for 3-5yr or just simply keep it as a forever car but needless to say buying a low mileage garage queen will just see me loosing a lot of money.
I own the 458 Italia outright, so it would be the deposit plus some cash, but I would look to probably finance around 50k in the short term before settling the finance.
I did notice on the 458 Speciale it had previously been sold by Tom Hartley judging by the branded number plate and the cars numberplate is "KE15 AFO" so if anyone knows the car and its history good or bad please do comment as if I did go for this car, 200k is a hell of a lot of cash to end up in a lemon.
The car also has an Fi exhaust system, sales man did say the owner still has original system too and it would be supplied with car.
The question is would 200k for a LHD Saudi 458 Speciale with 10k miles be a good or bad buy, there does not seem to be a queue forming to buy it so its either not great value or its got history......
Also those who have owned or driven both Italia and Speciale, on the road is the ride similar? I happily drive the 458 Italia in Race mode on the road and I like the firmness, only on terrible roads do I hit bumpy road or dial it back to sport setting. Is the Speciale far harsher?
Also the one weakness for me on the Italia is the steering feel is somewhat lacking, its fast, precise but a bit numb and I wondered from those who have owned/driven both is the feel of the steering any better in the Speciale? I've ran PZERO (terrible), MPSS (good) and PS4S (amazing) on my Italia and I notice the Speciale come with Cup 2 tyres, is the car a death trap in wet or they ok?
I wouldn’t bother with a Middle Eastern car unless I could completely verify the history-part of the reason for this thread I guess?!
One question would be when was it registered here, the longer it’s been over there the less I’d trust it to be honest.
If it were a grey import, which like the early 00s still happens these days then I wouldn’t bother much at all. I’d imagine it isn’t though being LHD.
One thing it might be worth doing is asking around the houses to see if they know of any high mileage cars that are about.
Sales are actively reaching out to owners as second hand stock is so low at the moment-if they can get a sale on a high mileage car it might tempt someone out.
One question would be when was it registered here, the longer it’s been over there the less I’d trust it to be honest.
If it were a grey import, which like the early 00s still happens these days then I wouldn’t bother much at all. I’d imagine it isn’t though being LHD.
One thing it might be worth doing is asking around the houses to see if they know of any high mileage cars that are about.
Sales are actively reaching out to owners as second hand stock is so low at the moment-if they can get a sale on a high mileage car it might tempt someone out.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I wouldn’t bother with a Middle Eastern car unless I could completely verify the history-part of the reason for this thread I guess?!
One question would be when was it registered here, the longer it’s been over there the less I’d trust it to be honest.
If it were a grey import, which like the early 00s still happens these days then I wouldn’t bother much at all. I’d imagine it isn’t though being LHD.
One thing it might be worth doing is asking around the houses to see if they know of any high mileage cars that are about.
Sales are actively reaching out to owners as second hand stock is so low at the moment-if they can get a sale on a high mileage car it might tempt someone out.
The sales guy did say but I cannot remember, the current owner has been since 2017 is what I remember and he took it to Spain a lot due to a second property out there, I will email them asking for all details on ownership, servicing etc. One question would be when was it registered here, the longer it’s been over there the less I’d trust it to be honest.
If it were a grey import, which like the early 00s still happens these days then I wouldn’t bother much at all. I’d imagine it isn’t though being LHD.
One thing it might be worth doing is asking around the houses to see if they know of any high mileage cars that are about.
Sales are actively reaching out to owners as second hand stock is so low at the moment-if they can get a sale on a high mileage car it might tempt someone out.
MOT history check shows registered end of 2015, which is when I think it came to the UK. First MOT was 2018 which was a failure and I do think I recall sales guy saying it came to the UK start of 2016.
Hi,
Personally I would pass on this and wait for a car that didn't present so many lingering questions, the fact that your asking about it on here is enough to make me think that it not worth the hassle.
I had a similar issue with a 991.1 gt3 rs, was imported, gaps in service history, owner promised to warranty it etc. When it came to warranty the car Porsche OPC wouldn't touch it with a barge poll which was the first red flag, secondly the finance company got really difficult when stated it was a non-uk car etc.
At that point I just didn't want the hassle so paid more for a UK car from a main dealer and have since sold the car with no issues. I know you said you were planning on keeping but circumstances do change so you have to be weary of resale.
Save a little more and wait for the right car, that would be my advice.
Personally I would pass on this and wait for a car that didn't present so many lingering questions, the fact that your asking about it on here is enough to make me think that it not worth the hassle.
I had a similar issue with a 991.1 gt3 rs, was imported, gaps in service history, owner promised to warranty it etc. When it came to warranty the car Porsche OPC wouldn't touch it with a barge poll which was the first red flag, secondly the finance company got really difficult when stated it was a non-uk car etc.
At that point I just didn't want the hassle so paid more for a UK car from a main dealer and have since sold the car with no issues. I know you said you were planning on keeping but circumstances do change so you have to be weary of resale.
Save a little more and wait for the right car, that would be my advice.
I've recently sold my Speciale which I owned for 6 years.
At this end of the market I would suggest originality and provenance are key, as they are for most F cars.
I don't think this car ticks those boxes and for me, either would be a red flag.
Playing devils advocate on the driving experience, I think the gain you enjoy with the Speciale in raw thrills beyond the Italia are usually gained at 8/10ths and beyond. Unless you intend to primarily track the car, or use on the continent, I don't think you will extract the extra benefit the Speciale has to offer in lhd format on UK roads.
Investment wise I refer back to my first point.
At this end of the market I would suggest originality and provenance are key, as they are for most F cars.
I don't think this car ticks those boxes and for me, either would be a red flag.
Playing devils advocate on the driving experience, I think the gain you enjoy with the Speciale in raw thrills beyond the Italia are usually gained at 8/10ths and beyond. Unless you intend to primarily track the car, or use on the continent, I don't think you will extract the extra benefit the Speciale has to offer in lhd format on UK roads.
Investment wise I refer back to my first point.
Djit said:
I've recently sold my Speciale which I owned for 6 years.
At this end of the market I would suggest originality and provenance are key, as they are for most F cars.
I don't think this car ticks those boxes and for me, either would be a red flag.
Playing devils advocate on the driving experience, I think the gain you enjoy with the Speciale in raw thrills beyond the Italia are usually gained at 8/10ths and beyond. Unless you intend to primarily track the car, or use on the continent, I don't think you will extract the extra benefit the Speciale has to offer in lhd format on UK roads.
Investment wise I refer back to my first point.
Thank you, I assume your car is no longer available at the dealer you sold it too?At this end of the market I would suggest originality and provenance are key, as they are for most F cars.
I don't think this car ticks those boxes and for me, either would be a red flag.
Playing devils advocate on the driving experience, I think the gain you enjoy with the Speciale in raw thrills beyond the Italia are usually gained at 8/10ths and beyond. Unless you intend to primarily track the car, or use on the continent, I don't think you will extract the extra benefit the Speciale has to offer in lhd format on UK roads.
Investment wise I refer back to my first point.
If the steering feel any better than regular Italia can you remember please?
Gibbo205 said:
The sales guy did say but I cannot remember, the current owner has been since 2017 is what I remember and he took it to Spain a lot due to a second property out there, I will email them asking for all details on ownership, servicing etc.
MOT history check shows registered end of 2015, which is when I think it came to the UK. First MOT was 2018 which was a failure and I do think I recall sales guy saying it came to the UK start of 2016.
It was first registered in March 2015 and imported to the UK in May 2016. Kuwait Automobile & Trading (Ferrari Main Dealers) had it for sale between August and November 2015 with 5000kms, asking 82000 KWD (about £196k).MOT history check shows registered end of 2015, which is when I think it came to the UK. First MOT was 2018 which was a failure and I do think I recall sales guy saying it came to the UK start of 2016.
jtremlett said:
t was first registered in March 2015 and imported to the UK in May 2016. Kuwait Automobile & Trading (Ferrari Main Dealers) had it for sale between August and November 2015 with 5000kms, asking 82000 KWD (about £196k).
Good to know, so it came to the UK pretty much from new it seems as all the Speciale are 2015 onwards are they not?So it didn’t spend long in the desert then. If you’re going to buy a gulf import, this is about as good as it’s going to get.
How much of a discount are you getting vs a U.K. RHD car?
And does the fact that it’s LHD appeal to you (it obviously did to the previous owner if they took it to Spain)?
How much of a discount are you getting vs a U.K. RHD car?
And does the fact that it’s LHD appeal to you (it obviously did to the previous owner if they took it to Spain)?
Gibbo205 said:
Hi there
I am looking on PH, AT and FB market place for cars for sale.
Is there anywhere else I should be looking please when it comes to looking for Speciale for sale?
call around main dealers with what your after, they will know the right cars and then you can see if you get any bites....I am looking on PH, AT and FB market place for cars for sale.
Is there anywhere else I should be looking please when it comes to looking for Speciale for sale?
Hi there
So here is the history on the 458 Speciale:
The car was originally registered 31/03/2015 in the UK and has had three owners since, please find the service history below.
07/10/2015, 3,673 Miles, Kuwait Automobile & Trading Co (original supplying dealer)
18/11/2016, 5,303 Miles, H.R Owen London
29/10/2018, 7,856 Miles, Stratstone Ferrari Wilmslow
06/11/2020, 9,477 Miles, Stratstone Ferrari Wilmslow
My question is all Ferrari came with 7yr service packs, are the special edition models excluded from this, or is a Speciale service requirement every two years, I am just wondering why has it missed services especially if they were FREE OF CHARGE?
Or are LHD imported cars from UAE excluded from the service plans in UK does anyone know?
The car is on SOR and I've noticed the dealership has never attempted to promote or sell the car on their social media channels, which kind of rings alarm bells to me, is the car known for the wrong reasons somewhere?
So here is the history on the 458 Speciale:
The car was originally registered 31/03/2015 in the UK and has had three owners since, please find the service history below.
07/10/2015, 3,673 Miles, Kuwait Automobile & Trading Co (original supplying dealer)
18/11/2016, 5,303 Miles, H.R Owen London
29/10/2018, 7,856 Miles, Stratstone Ferrari Wilmslow
06/11/2020, 9,477 Miles, Stratstone Ferrari Wilmslow
My question is all Ferrari came with 7yr service packs, are the special edition models excluded from this, or is a Speciale service requirement every two years, I am just wondering why has it missed services especially if they were FREE OF CHARGE?
Or are LHD imported cars from UAE excluded from the service plans in UK does anyone know?
The car is on SOR and I've noticed the dealership has never attempted to promote or sell the car on their social media channels, which kind of rings alarm bells to me, is the car known for the wrong reasons somewhere?
Buy in haste, repent at leisure or whatever they say. You are talking about spending over £200k on a car you’re not sure about - don’t do it. Wait until the right car comes along at either a main dealer or a recognised Ferrari specialist (or as others have said, ring around them to let them know what you’re looking for).
willy wombat said:
Buy in haste, repent at leisure or whatever they say. You are talking about spending over £200k on a car you’re not sure about - don’t do it. Wait until the right car comes along at either a main dealer or a recognised Ferrari specialist (or as others have said, ring around them to let them know what you’re looking for).
Done this, did enquire about the Formula red car, but it has sold. But left my details with a few Ferrari dealers and a few Specialist, are there any particular dealers or Specialist people have had good experiences with please?Gibbo205 said:
Well just wondering if the 7yr service pack is invalid on imported cars? If it was still valid then missing services is really stupid when they are free and for sure a reason to avoid.
No it’s not. It’s global as far as I know. I bought my Speciale which I think was originally for sale on Hungary before being imported for a customer of Joe Macari. It had the 7 yr pack no issues. Why this owner chose not to service the car every year is beyond me. It’s a bit like the Italian and French Scuderias that would be serviced not annually like recommended but only at major KM intervals.. so some would go un serviced for like 3-4yrs. Why would you buy a F1 “derived” car and let the fluids and consumables perish for years before giving it a good thrash to 8k rpm.. is just baffling.
As others said. There’s plenty of Speciale around. So just wait for the right one to come up which has been loved. And strike. I loved mine, best car I ever owned. And I want to get another one at some point. There’s nothing like it and there will never be another one. Which makes me sad, I think Ferrari switched to turbo too early with the 488, they could have tried to keep the n/a for another iteration as a last hurrah to ICE.. shame.
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