Anyone happy to share their running costs of a F430 or 360 ?
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Sorry if it's been asked before but just wondered if anyone has documented the running costs of a F430 or 360.
Info and cost for yearly and major service, brake pads, discs, clutch. Issues with either car and costs to repair / upgrade, eg manifolds, ball joints.
Does anyone do DIY jobs on their cars eg. pad change
What are the must have options on the car.
Lastly the valuations, and whether there's been a drop or rise in the last 3-5 years.
Info and cost for yearly and major service, brake pads, discs, clutch. Issues with either car and costs to repair / upgrade, eg manifolds, ball joints.
Does anyone do DIY jobs on their cars eg. pad change
What are the must have options on the car.
Lastly the valuations, and whether there's been a drop or rise in the last 3-5 years.
I didn't document my 360 running costs (6 years / 15k miles). But :
Minor service was usually around £1,200 - £1,500 from the Indy I was initially using and then dropped to around £1k when I changed to another.
Major was more like £2k if I remember.
Brakes are expensive if you go to Ferrari, but reasonable if you go somewhere like Euro car parts and for yourself (easy).
Ball joints always seem to need doing (I only had mine done once) and are a couple of thousand if I remember correctly.
In general, I think mine probably averaged about £2k a year to run, certainly well under 3. Until my cam variator snapped which is a known issue I didn't know about. Top end rebuild on one bank and a bill just under £7k - which was less than I was expecting.
Having said that - brilliant car, still think it might be the best car I've ever owned
Minor service was usually around £1,200 - £1,500 from the Indy I was initially using and then dropped to around £1k when I changed to another.
Major was more like £2k if I remember.
Brakes are expensive if you go to Ferrari, but reasonable if you go somewhere like Euro car parts and for yourself (easy).
Ball joints always seem to need doing (I only had mine done once) and are a couple of thousand if I remember correctly.
In general, I think mine probably averaged about £2k a year to run, certainly well under 3. Until my cam variator snapped which is a known issue I didn't know about. Top end rebuild on one bank and a bill just under £7k - which was less than I was expecting.
Having said that - brilliant car, still think it might be the best car I've ever owned
davek_964 said:
I didn't document my 360 running costs (6 years / 15k miles). But :
Minor service was usually around £1,200 - £1,500 from the Indy I was initially using and then dropped to around £1k when I changed to another.
Major was more like £2k if I remember.
Brakes are expensive if you go to Ferrari, but reasonable if you go somewhere like Euro car parts and for yourself (easy).
Ball joints always seem to need doing (I only had mine done once) and are a couple of thousand if I remember correctly.
In general, I think mine probably averaged about £2k a year to run, certainly well under 3. Until my cam variator snapped which is a known issue I didn't know about. Top end rebuild on one bank and a bill just under £7k - which was less than I was expecting.
Having said that - brilliant car, still think it might be the best car I've ever owned
Thanks, guessing you've had a Porsche or two ?Minor service was usually around £1,200 - £1,500 from the Indy I was initially using and then dropped to around £1k when I changed to another.
Major was more like £2k if I remember.
Brakes are expensive if you go to Ferrari, but reasonable if you go somewhere like Euro car parts and for yourself (easy).
Ball joints always seem to need doing (I only had mine done once) and are a couple of thousand if I remember correctly.
In general, I think mine probably averaged about £2k a year to run, certainly well under 3. Until my cam variator snapped which is a known issue I didn't know about. Top end rebuild on one bank and a bill just under £7k - which was less than I was expecting.
Having said that - brilliant car, still think it might be the best car I've ever owned
I didn't keep a file but a quick search through my emails brings up one bill that was emailed to me from Carrs Ferrari in November 2011.
I did around 14k miles in 14 months give or take.
Service - £1657.63
MOT - £54.85
4 Tyres - £980
Replace gearbox mount - £485.41
Replace both front track rod ends - £397.35
Replace upper and lower ball joints - £629.59
I did around 14k miles in 14 months give or take.
Service - £1657.63
MOT - £54.85
4 Tyres - £980
Replace gearbox mount - £485.41
Replace both front track rod ends - £397.35
Replace upper and lower ball joints - £629.59
Edited by Lee Jones Jnr on Monday 4th January 20:44
Edited by Lee Jones Jnr on Monday 4th January 23:32
Pretty much same here, average 2 to 2.5 k per year for maintenance alone, needy cars imho, but any fault or major fault is never going to be cheap.
And of course as they age it’s only going one way, but I loved mine for the seven years I owned it.
But to be honest I am more at peace running my Porsche with warranty.
Mike
And of course as they age it’s only going one way, but I loved mine for the seven years I owned it.
But to be honest I am more at peace running my Porsche with warranty.
Mike
davek_964 said:
I didn't document my 360 running costs (6 years / 15k miles). But :
Minor service was usually around £1,200 - £1,500 from the Indy I was initially using and then dropped to around £1k when I changed to another.
Major was more like £2k if I remember.
Brakes are expensive if you go to Ferrari, but reasonable if you go somewhere like Euro car parts and for yourself (easy).
Ball joints always seem to need doing (I only had mine done once) and are a couple of thousand if I remember correctly.
In general, I think mine probably averaged about £2k a year to run, certainly well under 3. Until my cam variator snapped which is a known issue I didn't know about. Top end rebuild on one bank and a bill just under £7k - which was less than I was expecting.
Having said that - brilliant car, still think it might be the best car I've ever owned
That probably roughly reflects mine as well (10 years / 15k miles) although I've probably been a bit less on the servicing costs but that's possibly because Indy servicing is a bit cheaper up here in Scotland.Minor service was usually around £1,200 - £1,500 from the Indy I was initially using and then dropped to around £1k when I changed to another.
Major was more like £2k if I remember.
Brakes are expensive if you go to Ferrari, but reasonable if you go somewhere like Euro car parts and for yourself (easy).
Ball joints always seem to need doing (I only had mine done once) and are a couple of thousand if I remember correctly.
In general, I think mine probably averaged about £2k a year to run, certainly well under 3. Until my cam variator snapped which is a known issue I didn't know about. Top end rebuild on one bank and a bill just under £7k - which was less than I was expecting.
Having said that - brilliant car, still think it might be the best car I've ever owned
supersport said:
This is of absolutely no use to you.
Owned F430 for 15 months, due to Covid it’s not been serviced yet. Hopefully early spring, which for me is better than October anyway.
So far then in 3000 miles, just petrol, insurance, tax and an MOT at £39.
/\ Get one like this, £39 per 3k miles.Owned F430 for 15 months, due to Covid it’s not been serviced yet. Hopefully early spring, which for me is better than October anyway.
So far then in 3000 miles, just petrol, insurance, tax and an MOT at £39.
carphotographer said:
Sorry if it's been asked before but just wondered if anyone has documented the running costs of a F430 or 360.
Info and cost for yearly and major service, brake pads, discs, clutch. Issues with either car and costs to repair / upgrade, eg manifolds, ball joints.
Does anyone do DIY jobs on their cars eg. pad change
What are the must have options on the car.
Lastly the valuations, and whether there's been a drop or rise in the last 3-5 years.
First annual service a touch under £1,000, second annual £1,800 ,was told the increase was due to two extra fluids had toInfo and cost for yearly and major service, brake pads, discs, clutch. Issues with either car and costs to repair / upgrade, eg manifolds, ball joints.
Does anyone do DIY jobs on their cars eg. pad change
What are the must have options on the car.
Lastly the valuations, and whether there's been a drop or rise in the last 3-5 years.
be changed.
Both done at Maranello's, Third annual service due now , QV in Windsor has quoted £650 , They have been working on my cars for 26 years.
Had two year Ferrari warranty so was obliged to having main dealer servicing as part of the terms otherwise would have used QV.
Much more relaxed and friendly in real world atmosphere. Only repair has been a ball joint gaitor that wasn't covered under the warranty that
QV supplied and fitted including VAT for £125 after Maranello's quoted £650 for the same job.
Value wise 430's and 360's have dropped , only due to Brexit dragging on for so long and now Covid 19 not lack of desirability.
Edited by rat rod on Tuesday 5th January 03:17
rat rod said:
carphotographer said:
Sorry if it's been asked before but just wondered if anyone has documented the running costs of a F430 or 360.
Info and cost for yearly and major service, brake pads, discs, clutch. Issues with either car and costs to repair / upgrade, eg manifolds, ball joints.
Does anyone do DIY jobs on their cars eg. pad change
What are the must have options on the car.
Lastly the valuations, and whether there's been a drop or rise in the last 3-5 years.
First annual service a touch under £1,000, second annual £1,800 ,was told the increase was due to two extra fluids had toInfo and cost for yearly and major service, brake pads, discs, clutch. Issues with either car and costs to repair / upgrade, eg manifolds, ball joints.
Does anyone do DIY jobs on their cars eg. pad change
What are the must have options on the car.
Lastly the valuations, and whether there's been a drop or rise in the last 3-5 years.
be changed.
Both done at Maranello's, Third annual service due now , QV in Windsor has quoted £650 , They have been working on my cars for 26 years.
Had two year Ferrari warranty so was obliged to having main dealer servicing as part of the terms otherwise would have used QV.
Much more relaxed and friendly in real world atmosphere. Only repair has been a ball joint gaitor that wasn't covered under the warranty that
QV supplied and fitted including VAT for £125 after Maranello's quoted £650 for the same job.
Value wise 430's and 360's have dropped , only due to Brexit dragging on for so long and now Covid 19 not lack of desirability.
Thanks , lucky to have QV round the corner as well as Maranello . Be interesting to see other examples of prices charged by indies vs official.
Edited by rat rod on Tuesday 5th January 03:17
carphotographer said:
Can I ask why......£3000 ? If i do buy a decent one, I'd be looking at one with FSH, and all the weak items sorted, Hill engineering ball joints, manifolds, new clutch etc.
Cheers.
It's a 20 year old car, so anything rubber will eventually perish. There will normally be pipes or seals to replace in things like dampers, master cylinders etc. I didn't many cars that actually had the age related items kept up to date, which can be detrimental to handling/braking etc. I bought a car that needed a bit of work, so I've spent more like £4.5k per year all in.Cheers.
alephnull said:
It's a 20 year old car, so anything rubber will eventually perish. There will normally be pipes or seals to replace in things like dampers, master cylinders etc. I didn't many cars that actually had the age related items kept up to date, which can be detrimental to handling/braking etc. I bought a car that needed a bit of work, so I've spent more like £4.5k per year all in.
And just you try buying a 50 year old E type, as I did, everything perished. Same goes for my aeroplane, it cost me £100K to fix 
Sadly my body is beyond fixing.I've had both, so can help here.
Firstly, the 360. Had it for about a year and did about 3000 miles. Apart from the door release cable (a known issue in the cold if you pull the 'handle' too hard) it was trouble free. I think I spend about £1500 on a minor service and a few bits and pieces. It was an F1 box but the clutch had just been changed before I bought it, as had the belts. Sold it for £1000 less than I paid for it and I think it was probably the cheapest years' motoring I've ever had.
Now, the 430. Had this for 4 years and did 23,000 miles in it. Four or five European road trips and despite having other cars to use (Alfa 4C / Quadrifoglio) I would use the 430 any chance I could. The mileage was less than it should have been as I kept it with Kent High Performance in Maidstone for storage when not using (as had one off road car parking space). If it was available all year round it would have been more.
In total over the 4 years and 23,000 miles it cost me c. £15,000 in maintence. Maybe more...sometimes ignorance is bliss... Minor services would always be c. £1000 and major around £2000. There are always little things that need to be done and I was always prevent rather than cure. Ball joints - even Hill ones - will wear out and I probably went through at least 2 sets all round. No belts to worry about though.
The major issues I had were the failure of the F1 pump in the middle of rural France and manifolds. The manifolds had already been replaced but must have been done with OE ones. I ended up putting stainless steel sports ones on which don't crack and halved the cost. The F1 pump was actually a split hydraulic hose and cost c. £2000 to make good. If it was the pump it would have been more....though Ferrari wanted £750 per hose to replace (3 were needed as if one had split the others could do as well - age related issue) but Maidstone sourced non OEM hoses for £70 each. Other things that needed attention were track ends and the radiators.
The car was totally reliable, wonderful to drive and a step above the 360 in every way (except in looks - the 360 is the slightly prettier/more flowing design IMHO). But you do need to budget £3000 a year average if you are planning on using the car. If I had done a third of the miles I suspect my maintence cost would be at least half of what it was. But I have memories and had such enjoyment that money well spent.
I only swapped as had an opportunity to trade for a F355. Which is my favourite of the 3 F-cars I've been lucky enough to own and enjoy. But would I do the mileage/road trips I did in the 430? Not sure. But that's why there is a 991.2 GTS cab in the garage
I'd also strongly recommend the carbon seats for the 430. Incredibly comfortable and add an extra level to the interior.
Happy to answer any more specific questions. Oh and Roger and guys at Maidstone are brilliant.
Matt
Firstly, the 360. Had it for about a year and did about 3000 miles. Apart from the door release cable (a known issue in the cold if you pull the 'handle' too hard) it was trouble free. I think I spend about £1500 on a minor service and a few bits and pieces. It was an F1 box but the clutch had just been changed before I bought it, as had the belts. Sold it for £1000 less than I paid for it and I think it was probably the cheapest years' motoring I've ever had.
Now, the 430. Had this for 4 years and did 23,000 miles in it. Four or five European road trips and despite having other cars to use (Alfa 4C / Quadrifoglio) I would use the 430 any chance I could. The mileage was less than it should have been as I kept it with Kent High Performance in Maidstone for storage when not using (as had one off road car parking space). If it was available all year round it would have been more.
In total over the 4 years and 23,000 miles it cost me c. £15,000 in maintence. Maybe more...sometimes ignorance is bliss... Minor services would always be c. £1000 and major around £2000. There are always little things that need to be done and I was always prevent rather than cure. Ball joints - even Hill ones - will wear out and I probably went through at least 2 sets all round. No belts to worry about though.
The major issues I had were the failure of the F1 pump in the middle of rural France and manifolds. The manifolds had already been replaced but must have been done with OE ones. I ended up putting stainless steel sports ones on which don't crack and halved the cost. The F1 pump was actually a split hydraulic hose and cost c. £2000 to make good. If it was the pump it would have been more....though Ferrari wanted £750 per hose to replace (3 were needed as if one had split the others could do as well - age related issue) but Maidstone sourced non OEM hoses for £70 each. Other things that needed attention were track ends and the radiators.
The car was totally reliable, wonderful to drive and a step above the 360 in every way (except in looks - the 360 is the slightly prettier/more flowing design IMHO). But you do need to budget £3000 a year average if you are planning on using the car. If I had done a third of the miles I suspect my maintence cost would be at least half of what it was. But I have memories and had such enjoyment that money well spent.
I only swapped as had an opportunity to trade for a F355. Which is my favourite of the 3 F-cars I've been lucky enough to own and enjoy. But would I do the mileage/road trips I did in the 430? Not sure. But that's why there is a 991.2 GTS cab in the garage
I'd also strongly recommend the carbon seats for the 430. Incredibly comfortable and add an extra level to the interior.
Happy to answer any more specific questions. Oh and Roger and guys at Maidstone are brilliant.
Matt
carphotographer said:
rat rod said:
carphotographer said:
Sorry if it's been asked before but just wondered if anyone has documented the running costs of a F430 or 360.
Info and cost for yearly and major service, brake pads, discs, clutch. Issues with either car and costs to repair / upgrade, eg manifolds, ball joints.
Does anyone do DIY jobs on their cars eg. pad change
What are the must have options on the car.
Lastly the valuations, and whether there's been a drop or rise in the last 3-5 years.
First annual service a touch under £1,000, second annual £1,800 ,was told the increase was due to two extra fluids had toInfo and cost for yearly and major service, brake pads, discs, clutch. Issues with either car and costs to repair / upgrade, eg manifolds, ball joints.
Does anyone do DIY jobs on their cars eg. pad change
What are the must have options on the car.
Lastly the valuations, and whether there's been a drop or rise in the last 3-5 years.
be changed.
Both done at Maranello's, Third annual service due now , QV in Windsor has quoted £650 , They have been working on my cars for 26 years.
Had two year Ferrari warranty so was obliged to having main dealer servicing as part of the terms otherwise would have used QV.
Much more relaxed and friendly in real world atmosphere. Only repair has been a ball joint gaitor that wasn't covered under the warranty that
QV supplied and fitted including VAT for £125 after Maranello's quoted £650 for the same job.
Value wise 430's and 360's have dropped , only due to Brexit dragging on for so long and now Covid 19 not lack of desirability.
Thanks , lucky to have QV round the corner as well as Maranello . Be interesting to see other examples of prices charged by indies vs official.
Edited by rat rod on Tuesday 5th January 03:17
QV have been established since 1985 and 10 years at Maranello's previous to that so they must be doing something wright.
Built my race car some years ago at sensible cost and it's still going like a train putting some high end modern stuff to shame.
Edited by rat rod on Tuesday 5th January 15:14
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