Comparing both GTC4 lusso's

[marky7seven]

Has anyone drive both GTC4Lusso V8 and V12, I know the V12 is 4 wheel drive naturally aspirated. But would love to get someones view who has driven both, or if anyone has the V8 and regrets not having the V12.

[ANOpax]

Plenty of comparisons on F-chat.

TLDR: the T feels more immediate due to the low end torque. The V12 has the better soundtrack and is more fun to wring out.
If most of your driving is in town, get the T. If most of your driving is open road, get the V12.

Edited by ANOpax on Saturday 2nd January 21:24

[footsoldier]

One has a V12, the other has a turbo V8 and was built for emissions reasons.
Pros and cons to the driving experience/4wd
One has a V12 - get that one!

[anonymous-user]

I’ve driven both and own a V12. The T doesn’t have the 4 wheel steering and you really feel that, because this is a long car. Also the T dips in power as you go up the Rev range, whereas the V12 keeps building and building. I also think that the residuals on the T will be worse - although fuel economy will be better.

[marky7seven]

ThePackMan said:

I’ve driven both and own a V12. The T doesn’t have the 4 wheel steering and you really feel that, because this is a long car. Also the T dips in power as you go up the Rev range, whereas the V12 keeps building and building. I also think that the residuals on the T will be worse - although fuel economy will be better.

Thanks that is the sort of info I'm after. I was under the impression after reading a article here: https://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/james-may-re... it did have rear steer.

[LotusJas]

marky7seven said:

Has anyone drive both GTC4Lusso V8 and V12, I know the V12 is 4 wheel drive naturally aspirated. But would love to get someones view who has driven both, or if anyone has the V8 and regrets not having the V12.

In my opinion, one of the main reasons to buy a Lusso is for the Ferrari V12 whilst having a full 4 seater. Simply awesome engine, and sounds amazing with a Novitec.

If considering a V8, why not just get a more practical and cheaper car in the first place?

V12 or nothing IMO. The only advantage to the V8 is fuel economy.

[anonymous-user]

marky7seven said:

ThePackMan said:

I’ve driven both and own a V12. The T doesn’t have the 4 wheel steering and you really feel that, because this is a long car. Also the T dips in power as you go up the Rev range, whereas the V12 keeps building and building. I also think that the residuals on the T will be worse - although fuel economy will be better.

Thanks that is the sort of info I'm after. I was under the impression after reading a article here: https://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/james-may-re... it did have rear steer.

Hi marky. I stand corrected, thanks for enlightening me! Could be that I’m remembering my switch from FF to Lusso - I’ve had 2 FF’s in the past. They definitely didn’t have RWS which is a big improvement in the Lusso. Also the cabin and infotainment system in the Lusso is light years ahead of the FF. whatever you go for, enjoy it!

[marky7seven]

ThePackMan said:

marky7seven said:

ThePackMan said:

I’ve driven both and own a V12. The T doesn’t have the 4 wheel steering and you really feel that, because this is a long car. Also the T dips in power as you go up the Rev range, whereas the V12 keeps building and building. I also think that the residuals on the T will be worse - although fuel economy will be better.

Thanks that is the sort of info I'm after. I was under the impression after reading a article here: https://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/james-may-re... it did have rear steer.

Hi marky. I stand corrected, thanks for enlightening me! Could be that I’m remembering my switch from FF to Lusso - I’ve had 2 FF’s in the past. They definitely didn’t have RWS which is a big improvement in the Lusso. Also the cabin and infotainment system in the Lusso is light years ahead of the FF. whatever you go for, enjoy it!

I am going to drive both version of the Lusso and the FF when I can. With the V12 Lusso, do you have to be pushing it to get the noise?

[anonymous-user]

marky7seven said:

ThePackMan said:

marky7seven said:

ThePackMan said:

I’ve driven both and own a V12. The T doesn’t have the 4 wheel steering and you really feel that, because this is a long car. Also the T dips in power as you go up the Rev range, whereas the V12 keeps building and building. I also think that the residuals on the T will be worse - although fuel economy will be better.

Thanks that is the sort of info I'm after. I was under the impression after reading a article here: https://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/james-may-re... it did have rear steer.

Hi marky. I stand corrected, thanks for enlightening me! Could be that I’m remembering my switch from FF to Lusso - I’ve had 2 FF’s in the past. They definitely didn’t have RWS which is a big improvement in the Lusso. Also the cabin and infotainment system in the Lusso is light years ahead of the FF. whatever you go for, enjoy it!

I am going to drive both version of the Lusso and the FF when I can. With the V12 Lusso, do you have to be pushing it to get the noise?

With the valves open it’s a lot noisier. Best way to describe it is two personalities. In auto and driving gently it’s relatively quiet. But switch it to manual and press on, the sound it great above 3K all the way to 9K!

The V8 is more growling at low revs, but it runs out of steam/noise/theatre quite quickly compared to the V12.

[marky7seven]

ThePackMan said:

marky7seven said:

ThePackMan said:

marky7seven said:

ThePackMan said:

I’ve driven both and own a V12. The T doesn’t have the 4 wheel steering and you really feel that, because this is a long car. Also the T dips in power as you go up the Rev range, whereas the V12 keeps building and building. I also think that the residuals on the T will be worse - although fuel economy will be better.

Thanks that is the sort of info I'm after. I was under the impression after reading a article here: https://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/james-may-re... it did have rear steer.

Hi marky. I stand corrected, thanks for enlightening me! Could be that I’m remembering my switch from FF to Lusso - I’ve had 2 FF’s in the past. They definitely didn’t have RWS which is a big improvement in the Lusso. Also the cabin and infotainment system in the Lusso is light years ahead of the FF. whatever you go for, enjoy it!

I am going to drive both version of the Lusso and the FF when I can. With the V12 Lusso, do you have to be pushing it to get the noise?

With the valves open it’s a lot noisier. Best way to describe it is two personalities. In auto and driving gently it’s relatively quiet. But switch it to manual and press on, the sound it great above 3K all the way to 9K!

The V8 is more growling at low revs, but it runs out of steam/noise/theatre quite quickly compared to the V12.

Sound of the FF compared to the V12, is it pretty much the same, with the same power delivery?

[anonymous-user]

Yes. I’d say almost identical.

[marky7seven]

ThePackMan said:

Yes. I’d say almost identical.

Once all is well lockdown related I would like to view these:
FF
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202006170...
Lusso
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202010265...

[anonymous-user]

Smart comparison to make. I’d also add don’t under estimate the importance of mileage/warranty. You don’t want to buy an out of warranty car with 20K+ on the clock (in my opinion).

[ANOpax]

ThePackMan said:

Smart comparison to make. I’d also add don’t under estimate the importance of mileage/warranty. You don’t want to buy an out of warranty car with 20K+ on the clock (in my opinion).

Why do you say this?
Is the warranty good value?
Do the cars fall apart after 20,000 miles?

[anonymous-user]

ANOpax said:

ThePackMan said:

Smart comparison to make. I’d also add don’t under estimate the importance of mileage/warranty. You don’t want to buy an out of warranty car with 20K+ on the clock (in my opinion).

Why do you say this?
Is the warranty good value?
Do the cars fall apart after 20,000 miles?

Personal choice. Although people say that FF or Lusso aren’t as miles sensitive as rest of ferrari line up, I don’t see that in pricing etc. Once you go over 20K if buying you need to negotiate hard. Also once out of warranty, if something goes wrong it’s all expensive to repair/replace. Especially on something complex like the FF. I had a lot more troubles with FF reliability/issues than I have my Lusso.

[ANOpax]

ThePackMan said:

Personal choice. Although people say that FF or Lusso aren’t as miles sensitive as rest of ferrari line up, I don’t see that in pricing etc. Once you go over 20K if buying you need to negotiate hard. Also once out of warranty, if something goes wrong it’s all expensive to repair/replace. Especially on something complex like the FF. I had a lot more troubles with FF reliability/issues than I have my Lusso.

Ah! Understood. I thought the mileage and warranty concerns were linked but I see now that they aren’t. You’re right that the UK and US markets are terribly fickle when it comes to mileage. I’d have thought that would argue in favour of a higher mileage car where the depreciation has been done and you can drive it without worrying too much. I suspect it also depends on how long you plan to keep the car. A tick box car needs to be low miles for ease of resale. A keeper can be any mileage as long as you buy it right.

As for the warranty, my personal experience is that it is terrible value. I’ve had my FF for three years and the warranty cost over that time is €15k. I’ve had two major parts failures which will have cost €7k to fix - neither of which are covered by the warranty even though they appear to be on paper (they’re engine and fuel system related). So I’d be €15k worse off taking the warranty than if I hadn’t. The most expensive single failure on the FF/Lusso is likely to be the DCT or PTU, both of which can be fixed for €7-10k and for which the probability of failure is low. On a risk adjusted basis, you’re better off self insuring, even on an older car like the FF compared to the Lusso.

Edited by ANOpax on Monday 4th January 20:04

[LotusJas]

marky7seven said:

Sound of the FF compared to the V12, is it pretty much the same, with the same power delivery?

Sound is miles apart, especially once you unlock with with a Novitec.

[anonymous-user]

Agree one with Novitec and one without, but factory FF to factory Lusso there’s little in it.

[F355GTS]

ThePackMan said:

Agree one with Novitec and one without, but factory FF to factory Lusso there’s little in it.

Odd, I found a std Lusso very quiet compared to an FF

[ANOpax]

F355GTS said:

Odd, I found a std Lusso very quiet compared to an FF

Tim agrees with you.


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