Just bought a 360

Just bought a 360

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Mark_Blanchard

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830 posts

261 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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Hi All,

Just bought this 360 F1. Very excited. FFSH and 43k on the clock. I used to own a Lotus Esprit for 15 years so will be interesting to see how it compares. Looking forward to learning all about it and driving it.




dereksharpuk

179 posts

174 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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Congratulations. And it has the essential rear panel to improve cooling and looks.

G111MDS

336 posts

97 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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Looks great! I’ve been window shopping at these over the last couple of weeks.

rat rod

4,997 posts

71 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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Mark_Blanchard said:
Hi All,

Just bought this 360 F1. Very excited. FFSH and 43k on the clock. I used to own a Lotus Esprit for 15 years so will be interesting to see how it compares. Looking forward to learning all about it and driving it.



These 360's seem to be getting a lot of love lately, are they becoming the next 355 ,

At least they've come to a level you can enjoy. thumbup

dalenorth

866 posts

173 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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Lovely car, well done.

Mark_Blanchard

Original Poster:

830 posts

261 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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Cheers guys. Prices have come down on these. I sold my classic Mustang over summer and made good money on it, so was able to buy this.

Can't wait till spring when I can drive it properly.

Edited by Mark_Blanchard on Saturday 28th November 16:11

alephnull

358 posts

181 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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Congrats! Best thing I did with mine was to get the timing checked. After 18/19 years it must have got a little off - because after it was adjusted the car was transformed. Getting a good independent garage is vital. I can recommend AV Engineering if you are in the South East.

10126 Torino

4,517 posts

85 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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Nice purchase .

The Ferrari troll will be along later to tell you should have bought a Lamborghini .

You know who you are .

Rocket.

1,572 posts

255 months

Saturday 28th November 2020
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Very nice, will be interested what youb think of it after the Lotus. I had use of an F430 about 10 years ago and really enjoyed it, it felt like a big (fast) Elise and a 360 is definitely on my radar in a few years.

Lee Jones Jnr

1,724 posts

176 months

Sunday 29th November 2020
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Also interested in hearing a comparison to an Esprit.
I had a 360 and have been thinking about picking up an Esprit V8 on and off for a while but I personally wouldn't want anything that felt any older or more basic than the 360 (Ive never driven an Esprit).

EDIT - I appreciate that this 'mechanical' feel is why many people like them.

alephnull

358 posts

181 months

Monday 30th November 2020
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Rocket. said:
Very nice, will be interested what youb think of it after the Lotus. I had use of an F430 about 10 years ago and really enjoyed it, it felt like a big (fast) Elise and a 360 is definitely on my radar in a few years.
I've just had a full suspension refurb, including dampers, and I have to say the 360 does not handle as well as my old Lotus Elise 111R...It is too heavy. I would struggle to go back though...Maybe I just need a bigger garage?

blueg33

38,001 posts

230 months

Tuesday 1st December 2020
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Op, that looks good. Which one was it? ie who sold it, I've been following all cars for sale for about 12 months

I recently bought a 360 coming from an Evora S. I have put a comparison on the The Lotus Forums and also put it on ph in the my first supercar thread.

I can duplicate it here if you like.

Mark_Blanchard

Original Poster:

830 posts

261 months

Tuesday 1st December 2020
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Yes would be interested thanks. Did you buy the black 360?

blueg33

38,001 posts

230 months

Tuesday 1st December 2020
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Yes. The black one that Furlonger had.

blueg33

38,001 posts

230 months

Tuesday 1st December 2020
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Someone on the Lotus Forums asked me what I though compared with the Evora - here is my slightly long reply (The Evora is not a supoercar IMO)

Obviously the Ferrari is nearly 20 years old whilst my last Evora was only 6 years old so that will affect some things especially the tech side of the car, but the cars are similar in many ways, let me try to set it out.

Looks:

The Ferrari is obviously dated in this department, but in my opinion its starting to become a classic and is less fussy than the later cars. The Evora much more modern. I always thought the Evora looked a bit high at the back because the engine is mounted quite high, the Ferrari is sleeker as a result and about 10cm lower. Ferrari lights are dated compared with the Evora even though the Evora's aren't exactly state of the art.

Interior

This is where the Ferrari has many advantages, my car has leather everywhere, headliner, sun visors (suede on the inside) and this leather has worn really well. The 20 year old Ferrari has worn better than the Evoras I have had despite similar mileage. Everything inside the Ferrari feels premium (I am lucky I don't have sticky switches), whereas the Evora especially the 400's feel like a let down in this regard. The Ferrari has no squeaks or rattles at all, there was always something in my Evora's, not much, just enough to be irritating.

The Evora (MK1's at least) win hands down on seat comfort, although the Ferrari seats are not bad. The Evora also has things like heated seats, cruise control and trip computer that are absent in the Ferrari. The Ferrari does have electric seats and the instrumentation is better with oil temp and pressure gauges. The wipers are also better.

The Ferrari doesn't leak, the Evoras all has a slight drip onto the door air vent

Engine

Obviously no contest, the Ferrari engine is sublime, smooth for a V8 and intoxicating at 8000rpm, and despite what things say on paper, the Ferrari is noticeably faster than my S was and than the 400;s I have driven. You really notice it from 40mph upwards, no flat spots, not dying pf power, just a linear rush towards the horizon. However, the Ferrari engine is temperamental, it has to be warmed up, when cold its horrid and lumpy, you get occasional random slow down lights (I need new cat ECU's), and you need oven gloves to check the oil level. The Evora, always felt like it had a good engine and I liked its character, but it always felt like there was something missing, I can't put my finger on it though. My Evoras were totally reliable in the engine department, I suspect the Ferrari will be niggly.

Drivetrain

My Ferrari is the F1 robotised manual with paddle shift. It is horrid in traffic jams but very good when driving hard. The IPS in the Evora was a much nicer thing to use and the bark on gear change was lovely, and i miss that with the Ferrari. The IPS always felt as if it was sapping a bit of power, the Ferrari does not give that feeling, it feels like a manual. Overall, the manual Evora is better than the F1 Ferrari and the IPS is better than both as a daily driver. The Ferrari has better chosen gear ratios.

Brakes

Both are excellent in terms of stopping power., I found both my Evoras squirrelled a bit under heavy braking, the Ferrari doesn't. Both cars have similarly progressive pedals and both have great brake feel.

Handling and Ride

The big one! And its close, but the Evora has the edge overall. The Evora has slightly better feel and a more precise centre position, both load up nicely on turn in and the car goes exactly where you want it to go, in reality there is not much between them, but the Evora has a bit more grip and is a bit narrower so its easier to drive it fast, there are times when the Ferrari feels more edgy, I think the back will let go sooner than the Evora (same width tyres). At speed though you really notice the extra downforce the Ferrari has on fast sweeping corners. The lower CoG helps too.

Ride - well its obvious the Evora is superb, the Ferrari is firm and annoyingly firm in sport mode. The Ferrari corners flatter but is more wearing.

Overall the Ferrari feels more raw than the Evora despite the leather, thick carpets etc.

Running Costs

Consumables in the Ferrari are generally cheaper than the Evora, especially brakes and tyres (smaller diameter). Insurance on the Ferrari is cheaper. Then there are the buts.....

I am averaging 16mpg the Evora S was 22mpg
Servicing is a similar price with an Indy but there seems to be more to go wrong and it costs to get to the parts
Clutch needs doing more frequently, but costs less, until other things are found.....
Belts every 3 years will make that service about £400 more than the service when my S needed belts
Ball joints get used up faster than Evora which eats arb bushes and the Ferrari ball joints cost quite a bit more
However, I found I spent quite a bit on irritating niggles with the Evoras I had, numerous A pillar trims, headlight lacquers, failed door locks, failed brake switch sensor, failed paddle. In many cases these things failed several times. The Ferrari just feels better put together in these respects, but only time will tell.

Living with it

Both cars get lots of attention, my Daytona Blue Evora S probably the most due to its colour. Both cars need wide parking spaces, I miss the reversing camera that the Evora had. Despite the fact the Ferrari has better all round visibility, its still a pain to park and you are very conscious of the F1 box slipping that expensive clutch.

The Evora can carry more stuff, thanks to the back seat, the Ferrari has more legroom, headroom and shoulder space. Its easier to get out of the Ferrari.

Both cars have average headlights.

I worry more about the Ferrari parked outside in all weathers even though it doesn't leak. This may be misplaced irrationality.

Ferrari are much more supportive of owners, even those that have old low value models. They have dedicated apps that can tell you things like original spec, service details etc, they offer free international breakdown cover and invite you to stuff. I have already had an invitation to drive the F8 Tributo (I did, what a great car that is), and to other events. I didn't hear anything from Lotus in 8 years of owning their cars.

But a Ferrari is a bit embarrassing too. When people ask you what you drive and you said a Lotus, they knew they were talking to an enthusiast, saying "a Ferrari", makes you sound like a rich git. (I am not rich).

So sorry to talk about an old Italian pony on a Lotus thread, but some people had asked me for the comparison.

In summary I loved the Evoras I had and I love the Ferrari, I would be happy with either. I do think that when it was new the Ferrari must have been incredible, 20 years on in performance terms it beats an Evora 400 and its nearly as good for handling and balance.





Edited by blueg33 on Wednesday 2nd December 09:21

craig511

427 posts

116 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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What are you using to make the engine look so clean and black
?

davek_964

9,179 posts

181 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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You think a 360 has average headlights? Turn just the sidelights on down a dark unlit road - you've now simulated my 650 on high beam wink

blueg33

38,001 posts

230 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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craig511 said:
What are you using to make the engine look so clean and black
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A microfibre cloth and a detailing spray and 10 minutes of my life


Edited by blueg33 on Wednesday 2nd December 09:13

bobbysmithy

1,761 posts

47 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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Nice summary - thanks for taking the time.

Kyodo

733 posts

130 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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davek_964 said:
You think a 360 has average headlights? Turn just the sidelights on down a dark unlit road - you've now simulated my 650 on high beam wink
Your 360 had the xenon option Dave!