any knowledge or views on this?

[xcentric]

https://preowned.ferrari.com/en/gb/search/2013/fer...

Anyone got any knowledge of this car or things to look out for on this specific one? Might visit on Thursday - 7 hour round trip so any prior info well-received!

thanks.

[garystoybox]

Wow, looks expensive or for the spec. I know not everybody is sold on carbon, but the interior plastic dash inserts and centre column doesn’t look or feel great. Although has carbon wheel, missing carbon drivers zone. No sports sills, which is personal but improves lines imo. No carbon rear grill, which I think when fitted suits the spider.
Looking at old price list looks around £14k of options so likely c£205k when new in 2013. Always thought Meridien expensive... guess it’s the English Riviera pricing.

[Roof down]

Wow looks great, make sure they give you two years Ferrari warranty, they fobbed me off years ago with a gold aa warranty on a used Ferrari of similar age to this one.
Good luck

[dereksharpuk]

Looks lovely. Very entry colour for Ferrari (Rosso Corsa/Crema), much over priced and very likely to depreciate soon. But a nice car if you are not money conscious.

[xcentric]

thanks for these. Am money conscious, so what is a more sensible price? And why the 'will depreciate soon' comment? be interested to know why.....

hadn't picked on the lack of carbon driver's zone; it seemed to have a lot listed! Ferrari warranty - yes, they are offering 2 years.....

thx for comments so far!

[Durzel]

Wheels look to have been refurbed at least once, possibly more, as they are losing the definition of the centre groove of the spokes, at the ends (where it meets the tyre).

It looks uneven in the photos provided, so could be that alloys were grazed more than once in the same place.

These wheels are kerb magnets so it’s not atypical, but on a top end priced car it’s worth noting.

No carbon driver zone too, which would be a deal breaker for me.

[mike746]

I've actually seen this car in the flesh whilst I was picking up my new purchase. its in great condition. the dealership prep there cars so well. I brought mine over the phone. its the 2nd car I've brought from them. Excellent customer service! speak to matt

[xcentric]

Durzel said:

Wheels look to have been refurbed at least once, possibly more, as they are losing the definition of the centre groove of the spokes, at the ends (where it meets the tyre).

It looks uneven in the photos provided, so could be that alloys were grazed more than once in the same place.

These wheels are kerb magnets so it’s not atypical, but on a top end priced car it’s worth noting.

No carbon driver zone too, which would be a deal breaker for me.

Thanks for the specifics. What is different in the carbon driver zone? (you can tell I'm a newbie, though I do know enough to know its desirable.....)

[DT398]

Look at the grey one the same dealer has got. Carbon trim strip above the glove box, around the air vent / instrument cluster and across to the drivers door. Much nicer than the standard grey plastic.

Edited by DT398 on Wednesday 19th August 11:08

[dereksharpuk]

xcentric said:

thanks for these. Am money conscious, so what is a more sensible price? And why the 'will depreciate soon' comment? be interested to know why.....

hadn't picked on the lack of carbon driver's zone; it seemed to have a lot listed! Ferrari warranty - yes, they are offering 2 years.....

thx for comments so far!

Just my opinion (& others), that post Covid, people are scrambling to buy 458s (me too) so prices are high. At present, prices seem to be inflated and in some cases, higher than 488. Come the winter, the reduction in buyers, a few companies going bust/people losing their jobs (sorry to be depressing), in my opinion demand for most 'supercars' will dry up. Then dealerships will wish to off load their cars.

If you are concerned with cost, offer £140K. Bet they turn you down. I have offered on another 458 they have and was rejected, so waiting until November. I have a F430 Spider to sell, but dealers are not buying, just selling to reduce stock before the downturn.

[Durzel]

DT398 said:

Look at the grey one the same dealer has got. Carbon trim strip above the glove box, around the air vent / instrument cluster and across to the drivers door. Much nicer than the standard grey plastic.

Edited by DT398 on Wednesday 19th August 11:08

What he said ^

The carbon on the centre tunnel really lifts the interior imo. Not essential but conspicuous in its absence. The other bits of CF that comprise the “driving zone” also look nice.

By the way, me pointing out that the wheels look to have been refurbed is in no way a reflection on Meridien, whom my car came from and went back to, just pointing out that these style alloys with the “fuller” groove down the centre of the spokes will lose definition if refurbed too many times.

I also agree with the £140k offer (and that you’ll get knocked back)

[DT398]

dereksharpuk said:

Just my opinion (& others), that post Covid, people are scrambling to buy 458s (me too) so prices are high. At present, prices seem to be inflated and in some cases, higher than 488. Come the winter, the reduction in buyers, a few companies going bust/people losing their jobs (sorry to be depressing), in my opinion demand for most 'supercars' will dry up. Then dealerships will wish to off load their cars.

If you are concerned with cost, offer £140K. Bet they turn you down. I have offered on another 458 they have and was rejected, so waiting until November. I have a F430 Spider to sell, but dealers are not buying, just selling to reduce stock before the downturn.

I had the same with this dealer. That grey car has been there since April 2019 and it was £179k at the time. They wouldn’t even take £5k off it and it’s sat there ever since drifting down in price.

They are sitting there at all dealers at these high prices but try selling one and they’ll want a £30k margin across it.

[GrahamPM]

It seems so ironic this; one minute certain guys are talking up the prices of their ‘beloved classic Ferrari’ and are appalled at supposedly low bids, yet feel they can knock £15-20K off dealer prices!
It may be the norm in the McLaren world to shed £20K off the advertised or suggested For Sale price, but fair play to Ferrari; keep the residuals.
If you can’t afford a 7 year old Ferrari, go and buy a six month old McL!!
Graham.

[WilliamWaiver]

GrahamPM said:

It seems so ironic this; one minute certain guys are talking up the prices of their ‘beloved classic Ferrari’ and are appalled at supposedly low bids, yet feel they can knock £15-20K off dealer prices!
It may be the norm in the McLaren world to shed £20K off the advertised or suggested For Sale price, but fair play to Ferrari; keep the residuals.
If you can’t afford a 7 year old Ferrari, go and buy a six month old McL!!
Graham.

Ferrari certainly have the used car business model right - Buy LOW and sell HIGH with a massive margin hence why they can even sit on cars unsold for 2 years

PX or outright buy prices do not reflect the Retail prices advertised as I can testify having tried to chop a highly desirable low mileage 2 owner 430 scuderia in against a 458 speciale.
The profit margin they were trying to achieve was insane, way above £30k even being conservative with my px ?????
I wasn't going to be mugged off so politely declined to have my pants whipped down

The truth is your current ferrari isn't actually worth anything like what you think it is if you are being guided by their advertised retail prices less £20k

[Griffgrog]

WilliamWaiver said:

Ferrari certainly have the used car business model right - Buy LOW and sell HIGH with a massive margin hence why they can even sit on cars unsold for 2 years

PX or outright buy prices do not reflect the Retail prices advertised as I can testify having tried to chop a highly desirable low mileage 2 owner 430 scuderia in against a 458 speciale.
The profit margin they were trying to achieve was insane, way above £30k even being conservative with my px ?????
I wasn't going to be mugged off so politely declined to have my pants whipped down

The truth is your current ferrari isn't actually worth anything like what you think it is if you are being guided by their advertised retail prices less £20k

Absolutly this. I bought a 458 Spider last year from a well known main dealer and the bids I got to trade up barely made 6 figures. Everyone talks about McLaren depreciation, but the spread on Ferrari is just as eye-watering. Expect to lost 25% as soon as you drive it out the showroom.

I still upgraded though.

[Durzel]

Don’t know why it’s much of a revelation really. You can take it as read that the most expensive way to own a Ferrari is buying it from and selling it back to a main dealer. Main dealers have big glass buildings and staff to pay for, as well as sticking the 2 year warranty on the car, etc.

If you want a better price you’re in the realm of SOR or selling to one of the indies, or even privately if you have the stomach for it.

The easy mode, no hassle bank transfer a main dealer sale gets you has a cost. The better (more traditional) the spec of the car the closer the parity between offer and forecourt price, but there will still be a fair chunk of change between those prices. It’s also a bit of a misnomer because no one is selling cars for main dealer prices except main dealers, because they’re main dealers.

[WilliamWaiver]

Durzel said:

. The better (more traditional) the spec of the car the closer the parity between offer and forecourt price, but there will still be a fair chunk of change between those prices. .

Can't think of a much better highly desirable px than my 2 owner high spec 12,000 mike FFSH rosso scuderia 430 Scuderia yet the px offer against an overpriced 458 Speciale at £329k was derisory.
They wanted to make £60k in total, min £30k on each car.
We were so far apart the conversation ended very abruptly.

It might of been their starting point and trying it on but I'm sorry they totally lost any credibility with their blatant greed I felt insulted.
Its was not like I was going in with a standard high volume 458, the scud is a rare car

[Roof down]

WilliamWaiver said:

Can't think of a much better highly desirable px than my 2 owner high spec 12,000 mike FFSH rosso scuderia 430 Scuderia yet the px offer against an overpriced 458 Speciale at £329k was derisory.
They wanted to make £60k in total, min £30k on each car.
We were so far apart the conversation ended very abruptly.

It might of been their starting point and trying it on but I'm sorry they totally lost any credibility with their blatant greed I felt insulted.
Its was not like I was going in with a standard high volume 458, the scud is a rare car

Dealers! , a friend of mine many years ago sums them up nicely, they will suck you off for a shilling, and f..k you for tuppence.
Not far off for the majority of them,

[WilliamWaiver]

Roof down said:

Dealers! , a friend of mine many years ago sums them up nicely, they will suck you off for a shilling, and f..k you for tuppence.
Not far off for the majority of them,

Fully understand they are a business and they need to make a profit to exist but to make £60k across 2 cars is just ridiculous.
In my business the profit margins are thin so I require volume and there is a fine line between the customer dictating a price and me declining the contract.
Its the polar opposite to Ferrari dealers with low volume, high margins and them dictating the prices.

[nudgerwilliams]

WilliamWaiver said:

Durzel said:

. The better (more traditional) the spec of the car the closer the parity between offer and forecourt price, but there will still be a fair chunk of change between those prices. .

Can't think of a much better highly desirable px than my 2 owner high spec 12,000 mike FFSH rosso scuderia 430 Scuderia yet the px offer against an overpriced 458 Speciale at £329k was derisory.
They wanted to make £60k in total, min £30k on each car.
We were so far apart the conversation ended very abruptly.

It might of been their starting point and trying it on but I'm sorry they totally lost any credibility with their blatant greed I felt insulted.
Its was not like I was going in with a standard high volume 458, the scud is a rare car

Not that I want to defend Ferrari dealers, and have never been in the position to have to deal with one, but from the experiences of a friend of mine who has bought new and used Ferraris I think the dealers have exceptionally high costs (certainly compared to Porsche for example). 7 years "free" servicing on new cars, lots of "free" hospitality at Goodwood, Silverstone, expenses paid trips to Maranello to see new models, etc. All has to be paid for somehow. I suspect that's why the spreads look so outrageous.