360CS or 430 Scuderia?

[Juber]

I know most will say that the 360CS is the best sounding Ferrari etc and how great they really are, but between the two cars, the costs are very similar / not much in it between them and im wondering if the 430 is a better car?

Would be good to know from people who have had both and their thoughts on the car itself.

[911Thrasher]

had 2 CS, did over 30 (k)smiles in them...had a Scud, kept it for a couple weeks
CS is a lot older, and def not as fast...but the experience is on another level "raw" "loud, very loud" and old skool
Scud is useable daily, it's happy to pottle around...if that's what you want

I obviously went for the old skool way...and used them daily in Central London as well as on track (too loud for Silverstone I found out eventually, but still thumbs up each time at Spa), and if I had to do it a third time (probably will), well it will be CS again.

Truth is: you must try them both to understand

[WilliamWaiver]

I had opportunity to buy both plus the 458 speciale so drove all 3.
Ended up buying the 430 Scuderia for spirited Road driving.

CS sounded the best but found the gearbox too slow for me
458 speciale was fastest and best built but felt too electronically aided and unconnected

430 Suderia was a nice blend of sound, rawness and decent gearbox.
TBH I think the F1 Superfast II gearbox is simply brilliant and absolutely perfect for this type of track focussed car.
Quick enough and far more engaging than the 458's . The difference to the standard F1 gearbox in the F430 is unbelievable and it remains my all time favorite gearbox despite having newer DSGs.

Not that it needs it you can stick a capristo exhaust on the 430 scud to rival the CS sound but you can't improve the CS gearbox anymore.

I wasn't restricted by budget so that was not part of the consideration but fortunately the scud was also best VFM IMHO

I guess everyone will vote for what they currently own but I always try to be objective, open minded and unbiased in my opinion.

All great cars although I do think 458 speciale are due a price correction and a few are starting to be reduced by £15k so £250k and back to list looks likely soon

[AmoCS]

This might help.

https://clubstradale.com/challenge-stradale-vs-430...

https://clubstradale.com/ferrari-458-speciale-430-...

https://clubstradale.com/viewtopic.php?p=4729#p472...

https://clubstradale.com/viewtopic.php?p=1897#p189...

https://clubstradale.com/viewtopic.php?p=307#p307

Edited by AmoCS on Monday 27th July 17:23

[MDL111]

I have never driven a CS, but it does look and sound much better than the Scuderia in my opinion. Having said that I wouldn’t change my Scud for a CS as the Scuderia works really well as a track car, it is too loud for some tracks but usually can get around that by shifting at c 7-7.5k as opposed to revving it out.
I did consider getting a CS and having it converted to manual but for now want to see if they drop back in value a little more as I think as a road car it would then be much more enjoyable than the 430. The 500hp is a little too fast for road use imo, still enjoyable, but a manual with a little less power would be better I think
I think you can’t go wrong with either

[Juber]

Thanks all.

My options are the poverty spec LHD ones but ultimately it will be a car to keep forever (famous last words) and my options are as follows.

Please advise me in my best interests.

430 Scud - https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10597286?c...

360CS - they want £125k for this
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2003-ferrari-3...

Edited by Juber on Monday 27th July 18:00

[MDL111]

Juber said:

Thanks all.

My options are the poverty spec LHD ones but ultimately it will be a car to keep forever (famous last words) and my options are as follows.

Please advise me in my best interests.

430 Scud - https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10597286?c...

360CS - they want £125k for this
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2003-ferrari-3...

Edited by Juber on Monday 27th July 18:00

That 430 is about the same mileage as mine - those bills are not pretty .... good for the next buyer though. I think that car was for sale on CC at some point, wasn’t it? If you go for the 430 check if manifolds and exhaust backbox have been replaced as I recently had to do both in mine (the backbox for a second time in 10k km...)
I think it is a tough call to make, ideally you drive both (types of) cars to make up your mind or at least get a passenger ride in both types to see which one you prefer.

[Juber]

My usage will be minimal. Doubt I would even track it if I were to be honest.

The mind says 430 the heart says 360 lol.
With the exhaust issue on the 430, can this be resolved by upgrading to capristo?

I will try and get a ride in both to make up my mind.

Slades have a lovely 360cs too. https://www.slades-garage.co.uk/vehicle/ferrari-36...

[MDL111]

Juber said:

My usage will be minimal. Doubt I would even track it if I were to be honest.

The mind says 430 the heart says 360 lol.
With the exhaust issue on the 430, can this be resolved by upgrading to capristo?

I will try and get a ride in both to make up my mind.

Slades have a lovely 360cs too. https://www.slades-garage.co.uk/vehicle/ferrari-36...

I assume Capristo would solve it, but I need to adhere to German TÜV - not an issue in the UK
I would go with heart if I were you esp. if you don't track it - as I wrote above, I think the 430 is a little too fast for enjoyable road use, I assume a 360 would be better (it is much prettier too ....). and you still have the option to get it converted to manual for not much money (430 I think a little more challenging due to electronics)

[sopes1]

I put a full capristo system on my Scuderia. It does make one heck of a difference. I actually really liked the original note, the issue is the valves so you need to be going some to get the full benefit. The package I put on fixed all of that and then some. Thankfully I also put the switch system in as it can get a bit too much on longer journeys.

[Welshbeef]

Juber said:

I know most will say that the 360CS is the best sounding Ferrari etc and how great they really are, but between the two cars, the costs are very similar / not much in it between them and im wondering if the 430 is a better car?

Would be good to know from people who have had both and their thoughts on the car itself.

What about the ultra exclusive 348 Competizionare only 50 made of which only 8 RHD.
Only 20 or so more BHP than standard BUT a remarkable 190kg stripped far more than the 360 & 430 - to the point its a homologation special.

[sparta6]

Welshbeef said:

What about the ultra exclusive 348 Competizionare only 50 made of which only 8 RHD.
Only 20 or so more BHP than standard BUT a remarkable 190kg stripped far more than the 360 & 430 - to the point its a homologation special.

Good call.
Nick Taylor's one is for sale I believe.

[superpippo]

I have a CS, and I think it's a great machine, however...buy a CS if you want to collect more than driving, buy a Scud if you want to drive more than collecting.

[dereksharpuk]

Looks & sounds are purely a personal preference. Some people like quiet cars. Some, like me, like a car to sound great. That is why probably I'll never buy an electric car, not even a Taycan. Now I have never driven a modified 360 or 430, as I am more than happy with what I have. But having owned 2 x 360s and 3 x 430s, I have to say that the better car is a 430, but the better sound (in my opinion) is a 360. A spin-tingling wail! Mind you, the 430 on song is also brilliant. As for 488 v 458... most say that the 458 sounds much better as it does not have a turbo. And have you drive a Portofino? Sounds like a Ford Escort with a hole in the exhaust

[AmoCS]

1. 1: “I have a CS and Enzo. I can drive the CS faster on very tight roads because of the shorter wheelbase, and its sound is more stimulating than the Enzo.

I call the CS a "baby Enzo" because it was made at the same time, shares many parts, and does nearly everything the same except acceleration and it's a weaker people magnet. BTW, the people I know who collect Ferraris (i.e., 10 or more cars) MUST have a CS in their collection and the ones I've spoken to say it's one of their favorite Ferraris.

It's a great car for the street. The Enzo is a little too powerful for the street as you can't really get into the power for more than a few seconds.”

There is only one Challenge Stradale and it was the first and possibly last of its kind. Even the Scuderia is not as raw, at Ferrari's own admission (some quote I think I read in Evo magazine). Too many good clients didnt like the extreme "rawness" of the CS.(posted by Bill S)

https://clubstradale.com/challenge-stradale-owner-...

[JulierPass]

superpippo said:

I have a CS, and I think it's a great machine, however...buy a CS if you want to collect more than driving, buy a Scud if you want to drive more than collecting.

This. CS's are way over priced. They are too tiring to drive to take on a euro trip where you cover 2000 miles in a week. They trip the noise meters at pretty much every track day, the gear box is a joke, and they no longer feel quick. They are very pretty though and a collectors wet dream. I've had both and run both simultaneously. I've had my scud from new - 11 years now - and think it's the sweet spot. 500 hp, given it's relatively light weight, make it still feel quick, the gear box is spot on, it's full of feel yet you can still do distance in it and its very reliable and cost effective to maintain.