430 Spider info

[barriejames]

Ive narrowed my search down to 2 possible car cars. I have 80k to spend and one of those cars is a 430 Spider. I know I don't have enough in the budget for a manual but I think they still look sensational for the money. Can anyone give a few pointers of what to look out for and any colours and interior to avoid come resale? Its also a place to put my money where whilst it will drop it hopefully wont be a massive hit in 3 to 5 years times. I only drive 2k miles a year in this type of car.

[johnnyreggae]

There's a PH buying guide I think and a ton of information at Voicey's Ferrari site

It seems unlikely that you won't find other threads similar to yours over the years

[QUATTROSUCKER]

Forget them both. Buy an Audi Quattro. Objectively the BEST car ever to exist.

[barriejames]

I have an Audi 4wd R8 v10 Manual Spyder now. What's better about it?

[dereksharpuk]

barriejames said:

Ive narrowed my search down to 2 possible car cars. I have 80k to spend and one of those cars is a 430 Spider. I know I don't have enough in the budget for a manual but I think they still look sensational for the money. Can anyone give a few pointers of what to look out for and any colours and interior to avoid come resale? Its also a place to put my money where whilst it will drop it hopefully wont be a massive hit in 3 to 5 years times. I only drive 2k miles a year in this type of car.

A F430 Spider is great. I have one. My third. £80K will buy you a reasonable one, but not the best. If you are buying a 12 year+ old car, you need the best. A manual is out of your price range. I would only buy from a Ferrari dealership and then with full Ferrari service history. Watch out for manifolds and suspension bushes etc, they wear quickly. After market items are better quality, but then your car is not original. Rosso Corsa/Crema sells well, but common. Grigio Silverstone/Sabia is far more upmarket. TDY or black or Giallo IMO is ok, Silver less so. Mine is for sale, but need a bit more than £80K. Photos/spec/ history available. It is the best in the UK. Lovetts say they will put it up for £99K. Some F430 Spiders, FFSH, low mileage sell for a bit more. But you know that. It will possibly be a bit of a gamble buying one for £80K. But some are cheaper still. You get what you pay for. Whatever, buy the best you can afford & that will save you money in the future. BTW, F430s with FFSH & low mileage are holding their value and IMO will appreciate over the next few years.

[barriejames]

My plan was and is to get a very nice one for 80k dealers are dropping prices by some huge margins right now. I do remain hopeful, if it doesn't happen I will wait my time. I saw a 360 Spyder a few weeks back with 8k miles start at 100k ended up selling at 70k. I wont go to near 100k for one as that's getting near 458 territory. I agree about buying the best I can though. Whats the thoughts on this?

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10391913?u...

Edited by barriejames on Sunday 21st June 11:22

[dereksharpuk]

Hi, that combo is very nice. The dealer is quite reputable. Mileage high, which is reflected in the price. Aftermarket wheels and who knows what else. That might put the odd purist off. You will not the able to purchase a Ferrari warranty as it does not have FFSH. That is why the price is low. Nice looking car though, but Caviat Emptor. Check the warranty. Notice also that it has hardly been driven in the last few years. A Ferrari needs to be driven or it will suffer. note also the discrepancy in the service intervals... last few years not done on time, but at some stage the mileage reduced!. Probably a typo.

Edited by dereksharpuk on Sunday 21st June 11:53

Edited by dereksharpuk on Sunday 21st June 11:55

[barriejames]

Thanks good tips. My R8 did 900 miles last year 1600 the year before so im not concerned overly by lack of use. Are these non genuine wheels,? i will check out the history etc

[johnnyreggae]

Pretty sure those wheels are not after-market but from the Scud or 16M which have then been painted

dereksharpuk said:

Mileage high. A Ferrari needs to be driven or it will suffer.

Challenging dilemma ! To average 2000 miles per year feels like the bottom end of sensible

Edited by johnnyreggae on Sunday 21st June 12:24

[dereksharpuk]

johnnyreggae said:

Challenging dilemma ! To average 2000 miles per year feels like the bottom end of sensible

Edited by johnnyreggae on Sunday 21st June 12:24

Interesting that previous owners had driven that car quite hard, but it has not really moved recently. I just wonder what is the reasonable minimum mileage per year. Mind you, this year I have hardly driven my own F430 due the pesky virus.

ps, you are probably right about the wheels.

[barriejames]

Whats your views on the car at late 60s of everything stacks up?

[SRBA]

I would say always buy on condition and history. As mentioned above, you get what you pay for & will notice that when it comes back around to resale.

Have you considered a coupe? IMHO they look better and will also be slightly cheaper.

Edited by SRBA on Sunday 21st June 14:29

[dereksharpuk]

SRBA said:

I would say always buy on condition and history. As mentioned above, you get what you pay for & will notice that when it comes back around to resale.

Have you considered a coupe? IMHO they look better and will also be slightly cheaper.

Edited by SRBA on Sunday 21st June 14:29

Yes, buy on condition, with a comprehensive warranty (some are worthless) and note that if mileage is high, it may not be easy to sell. Mind you, if you plan to keep it, that will not matter. As for the Coupe, yes cheaper, but IMO the extra money is worth it just for the sound & experience of hood down motoring. Remember, the 430 Spider was the last proper convertible where you can see the engine, hood up or down. And always remember, as Enzo remarked, you buy that engine and get the rest for free.

[barriejames]

its only a Spider for me as its a summer car. The coupes dont cut it for me really. ill do my research and buy a car only when it all fits

[supersport]

Do you want it to look at or to drive?

Seems bonkers to spend extra on a low mileage un-used example, you can't drive it as all the value is in the low mileage.

If you want to actually drive it and properly enjoy it, then why spend the premium.

At the end of the day, 30K on a 12-15 year old car is nothing. 11K miles on the same age is a real shame.

There is anecdotal evidence that unused cars are more likely to go wrong, unless of course you don't use them either.

The TDF Spider looks gorgeous, and is a nice price.

I agree in that you get what you pay for, and buy the best you can afford. But just because it's at a main dealer doesn't mean it's the best. They often get their cars from the same sources as the Indies, they just have big shinny show rooms to pay for, or rather you do as a customer. Buy on condition!

[anonymous-user]

From experience, get a check on it and make sure the manifolds are ok, they are prone to cracking and not sure if the warranty covers them, check clutch life left, check for any bubbling on bodywork, front wing was where we noticed some once, brakes, pads, tyres of course, but manifolds and clutch life are very important so make sure these are good.
Best of luck with your search.

[barriejames]

so independent check even when buying if
good rep dealer?

[anonymous-user]

barriejames said:

so independent check even when buying if
good rep dealer?

Someone I knew had payed top money for one from a dealer in Wiltshire, a famous main dealer of top brands, the car came with a Ferrari warranty, after a couple of weeks a light came on the dash, rather than take it back to Wiltshire he was told he could take it the Ferrari dealer in Colchester which was a lot closer to him, anyway there they picked up on a crack in the manifold when the car was on the ramp to fix the dash light on which turned out to be a brake sensor, so the owner got in touch with the Wiltshire dealer and explained what Ferrari Colchester had found to be met with "the Ferrari warranty doesn't cover manifolds" bearing in mind he'd only owned the car a couple of weeks the thought of an £8 grand bill on a car he'd payed top money on from this reputable dealer didn't fill him with joy, so after a few emails and the threat of legal action, the dealer relented in the end to pay for the manifolds but the car owner still had to pay the £800 labour to fit the new manifolds. I'm not saying the dealer who sold the car knew about the manifold crack but more to the point what you could be in for if you don't get the car fully checked over from an independent expert.
Bear in mind this is probably near 10 years ago now and F430's are a lot older now so tread carefully.
Best of luck with your search

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 21st June 20:11

[SFTWend]

barriejames said:

so independent check even when buying if
good rep dealer?

Definitely. A reputable specialist would hopefully only sell good cars, whether SOR or their own stock, but there will generally be items the car would benefit from to make it spot on. An expert inspection would reveal these and, if nothing else, provide a bargaining tool.

I suggest the obvious person to look at this car would be Voicey at AV Engineering. Imo the car looks attractive in those colours, TDF blue being sought after, and fairly priced.