360 F1 vs manual

[orangeLP400]

Was interesting to read that Aldous Voice has analysed the ECUs and his report is illuminating:

- US (Federal) cars are tuned for efficiency over power ( make less, as you may suspect)
- Challenge cars are tuned for power with little regard for efficiency ( as you may suspect)
- Manual cars are tuned more for efficiency than F1 cars so make less power. ( I did have to smile at this!)

[silber]

It would be interesting to know what the actual hp and torque figures are, and the variance from year to year or even car by car. ie, if 5 or 10hp variances (makes no difference) or something more material.

Either way, his upgrades look stellar and very appealing. 9,000rpm must sound insane, esp in a spider with the roof down, getting sound ricochet off rock faces or forest. Yes please...

[alephnull]

Oh where did you read this? I'd love to see the full breakdown...

[silber]

https://aldousvoice.com/2020/06/01/ferrari-360-eng...

[4rephill]

orangeLP400 said:

.......Manual cars are tuned more for efficiency than F1 cars so make less power. ( I did have to smile at this!)

I seriously doubt that either Ferrari, or their customers who bought brand new 360's "back in the day" (F1 or manual gearbox versions), gave a rat's rectum about efficiency - These weren't meant to be fuel efficient runabouts, they were expensive, high performance cars, and buyers didn't worry about the fuel economy.

I suspect it's more a case of F1's being mapped differently to suit the F1 gearbox better.

[mwstewart]

Manual cars use a clutch pedal position switch to optimise ignition cut for a manual gear change. This isn't about efficiency but driving dynamics.

I'd be very surprised if a manual Ferrari was genuinely tuned for economy - if it was, it would be marketed as such.

[anonymous-user]

mwstewart said:

Manual cars use a clutch pedal position switch to optimise ignition cut for a manual gear change. This isn't about efficiency but driving dynamics.

I'd be very surprised if a manual Ferrari was genuinely tuned for economy - if it was, it would be marketed as such.

That surprises me, how do you heel and toe effectively if depressing the clutch cuts the ignition? Ignition cut is normally for startup ignition only - i.e. clutch in to fire her up.

[Cerberaherts]

Being mapped for emissions isn’t about fuel economy. They were mapped that way to get through the Emission legislation set out for vehicle manufacturers. They were mapped to LAMFA pretty high up the Rev range which left a fair bit of extra on the table. The Euro 3 versions were even worse. I suspect the manuals got less power because at the time the F1 car carried a £10k premium. The gearbox is identical right down to the synchro units.
They make pretty good power up to 9,000 rpm but after that it’s just a diminishing return as the intake simply can’t flow any more air...