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Hi,
I'm in the market for a California and prefer a T version.
What I'm unsure about is the colours / specs, I'm not keen on a Red one.
These are a few that I like the look of, if anyone knowledgeable is bored, I'd be really interested to know their opinions on which they might try and negotiate on -
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
- this seems to have really high spec although it's showing on search as having been in ferrari stock since September'19 which seems a long time - silver being the issue ?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
I'm in the market for a California and prefer a T version.
What I'm unsure about is the colours / specs, I'm not keen on a Red one.
These are a few that I like the look of, if anyone knowledgeable is bored, I'd be really interested to know their opinions on which they might try and negotiate on -
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
- this seems to have really high spec although it's showing on search as having been in ferrari stock since September'19 which seems a long time - silver being the issue ?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
Edited by Cam555 on Monday 1st June 11:01
The middle two both have interior carbon and the silver car has the carbon sill plates as well.
I’d forget the first and last from an option perspective.
Fair enough that you don’t want red - but it seems that you’re keen on black. Black really doesn’t do anything for the lines of the car so I’d take the silver one. Nicest colour and most optioned up of the lot.
I’d forget the first and last from an option perspective.
Fair enough that you don’t want red - but it seems that you’re keen on black. Black really doesn’t do anything for the lines of the car so I’d take the silver one. Nicest colour and most optioned up of the lot.
I’m in the same boat. Looking for 1st Ferrari in the 100k ballpark. Mine will be parked on the street, and I have somehow convinced myself that the Cali attracts less unwanted attention, otherwise I would get a 458. I still might as that is the one I really want, the Cali T is the brain speaking.
It seems the 458 prices aren’t moving that much (yet) but the Cali T depreciate much more like any normal car so it will be interesting to see where prices go in 2-3 months when economic reality kicks in. I would start on 85k on the ones you listed and expect it to be worth 65-70k in 2 years. It might be too early for such bids, but there are so many of them around 100k that someone is likely to realistic.
Am very interested to hear how you get on.
It seems the 458 prices aren’t moving that much (yet) but the Cali T depreciate much more like any normal car so it will be interesting to see where prices go in 2-3 months when economic reality kicks in. I would start on 85k on the ones you listed and expect it to be worth 65-70k in 2 years. It might be too early for such bids, but there are so many of them around 100k that someone is likely to realistic.
Am very interested to hear how you get on.
The listing date is in the URL for Autotrader adverts.
Listed since September might seem like a long time but that's basically winter plus lockdown so I don't see that as meaning too much. However, checking back, I see the silver car was actually first listed in March (initially at £115k with 13,200 miles), then subsequently re-listed in September (now with 13,837 miles) and reduced to £99k in mid-April. It is possible someone bought it and used it for a couple of months, putting 600 miles on and then put it back up for sale. Or the extra miles might just be test drives or whatever.
Previously it was for sale in Jan/Feb 2017 (also with Graypaul) when it had 7,900 miles and the asking price was £142,500.
If that's of any use let me know if you want similar for the other cars.
Listed since September might seem like a long time but that's basically winter plus lockdown so I don't see that as meaning too much. However, checking back, I see the silver car was actually first listed in March (initially at £115k with 13,200 miles), then subsequently re-listed in September (now with 13,837 miles) and reduced to £99k in mid-April. It is possible someone bought it and used it for a couple of months, putting 600 miles on and then put it back up for sale. Or the extra miles might just be test drives or whatever.
Previously it was for sale in Jan/Feb 2017 (also with Graypaul) when it had 7,900 miles and the asking price was £142,500.
If that's of any use let me know if you want similar for the other cars.
Thanks for the responses.
ANO - I'd noticed the lack of carbon in the 1st one but when looking at colours also noticed Black is the most popular after red and silver is one of the least.
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den - I've considered a 458 too and think it will make a better investment from a deprectiation point of view but am looking for something that I can drive more regularly and is a bit more subtle.
Jtremlett - Wow that's really useful thanks ! There was an owner change in 07/19 - 09/19 so would tie in with it being sold and coming back very quickly. I've got the info from the private vehicle but if there's anything on the 1st link £89990.00 that would be good, I have the Reg - RJ64GXC
ANO - I'd noticed the lack of carbon in the 1st one but when looking at colours also noticed Black is the most popular after red and silver is one of the least.
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den - I've considered a 458 too and think it will make a better investment from a deprectiation point of view but am looking for something that I can drive more regularly and is a bit more subtle.Jtremlett - Wow that's really useful thanks ! There was an owner change in 07/19 - 09/19 so would tie in with it being sold and coming back very quickly. I've got the info from the private vehicle but if there's anything on the 1st link £89990.00 that would be good, I have the Reg - RJ64GXC
Cam555 said:
Thanks for the responses.
ANO - I'd noticed the lack of carbon in the 1st one but when looking at colours also noticed Black is the most popular after red and silver is one of the least.
Black and red are the most ‘popular’ because that’s what the salesman tells first time Ferrari buyers and people fall for the pitch or they lack the imagination to see otherwise. ANO - I'd noticed the lack of carbon in the 1st one but when looking at colours also noticed Black is the most popular after red and silver is one of the least.
Don’t worry about what’s popular and what’s not. Ferraris are so variable in terms of cosmetic spec that you should really buy what floats your boat. It’s supposed to be a special car so make it special for you - not the next owner.
And if you’re worried about resale, there are plenty of people out there (myself included) who won’t touch a Rosso Corsa or Nero Cali. So don’t sweat the spec too much - just buy what you want. There are some nice blue, grey and white ones out there as well. Plenty good resale on those too.
I agree with Anopax but, just for the record (and bearing in mind that I haven't updated my numbers for a little while), UK RHD California Ts are (rounded to nearest whole percent):
42% red
16% grey
14% black
11% white
11% blue
5% silver
All other colours have fewer than 10 examples.
The first car was for sale with Maranello's Jan - April 2018 initially at £129k then, beginning of April, reduced to £127k (mileage was 12,200).
Then listed beginning of March this year at £91k/14,200 miles. I think that was a private listing but not 100% sure. Then immediately thereafter it was listed by GC Motors at £93,990 with 14,500 miles. Reduced to £91,990 at the end of March, then £89,990 mid-May,
42% red
16% grey
14% black
11% white
11% blue
5% silver
All other colours have fewer than 10 examples.
The first car was for sale with Maranello's Jan - April 2018 initially at £129k then, beginning of April, reduced to £127k (mileage was 12,200).
Then listed beginning of March this year at £91k/14,200 miles. I think that was a private listing but not 100% sure. Then immediately thereafter it was listed by GC Motors at £93,990 with 14,500 miles. Reduced to £91,990 at the end of March, then £89,990 mid-May,
I didn’t mean to make this about depreciation. I am considering the Cali T for the same reasons you are. A bit less shouty, hence also not looking for red.
As evidenced by the above postings which are super helpful, finding “market value” is very challenging at the moment. I don’t need the deal of the century but it would be great if anyone has some actual transaction prices on Cali T.
I cannot see them fetching 100k when the 458 and Huracan are within 10% thereof. Maybe that a wrong way of looking at it.
Just out of curiosity, what were the alternatives considered before deciding for the Cali?
As evidenced by the above postings which are super helpful, finding “market value” is very challenging at the moment. I don’t need the deal of the century but it would be great if anyone has some actual transaction prices on Cali T.
I cannot see them fetching 100k when the 458 and Huracan are within 10% thereof. Maybe that a wrong way of looking at it.
Just out of curiosity, what were the alternatives considered before deciding for the Cali?
JT - Thanks, that ties in with what I've been told, they purchased it in privately around then. Really helpful.
I was looking for a 570s but I don't like the Mclaren 'risk' and lack of infrastructure. With everything else that may or may not happen at the moment sticking to a more established brand makes sense for me.
In terms of my shortlist the black two are more appealing colour wise.
I think there's some negotiating on GC's one but then that doesn't have the carbon centre and I'm a little less keen on the yellow stitching, not sure if its missing any other options as cant get the spec list.
The private sale I get the sense he's pretty fixed on price, it does have the spec and red stitching is nicer but £12k odd more for those and Ferrari warranty till only Sept seems expensive.
Might be better to be patient.
I was looking for a 570s but I don't like the Mclaren 'risk' and lack of infrastructure. With everything else that may or may not happen at the moment sticking to a more established brand makes sense for me.
In terms of my shortlist the black two are more appealing colour wise.
I think there's some negotiating on GC's one but then that doesn't have the carbon centre and I'm a little less keen on the yellow stitching, not sure if its missing any other options as cant get the spec list.
The private sale I get the sense he's pretty fixed on price, it does have the spec and red stitching is nicer but £12k odd more for those and Ferrari warranty till only Sept seems expensive.
Might be better to be patient.
bden said:
den said: I didn’t mean to make this about depreciation. I am considering the Cali T for the same reasons you are. A bit less shouty, hence also not looking for red.
As evidenced by the above postings which are super helpful, finding “market value” is very challenging at the moment. I don’t need the deal of the century but it would be great if anyone has some actual transaction prices on Cali T.
I cannot see them fetching 100k when the 458 and Huracan are within 10% thereof. Maybe that a wrong way of looking at it.
Just out of curiosity, what were the alternatives considered before deciding for the Cali?
Can’t help you with any actual transaction values but a 2016 Cali T with c5k miles failed to sell on Collecting Cars a few weeks ago. Bids reached £88.5k I think (check the first post on the CC auction results thread).As evidenced by the above postings which are super helpful, finding “market value” is very challenging at the moment. I don’t need the deal of the century but it would be great if anyone has some actual transaction prices on Cali T.
I cannot see them fetching 100k when the 458 and Huracan are within 10% thereof. Maybe that a wrong way of looking at it.
Just out of curiosity, what were the alternatives considered before deciding for the Cali?
I was looking for an early Cali at the start of the year but might just wait to see where Ts end up at. Can’t help with spec either I’m afraid. I just want a convertible Ferrari with some extra back seat space for my dog. Everything else is a bonus.
In terms of alternatives, I’m also looking at Targas and 911 Turbos (for some reason I think they look better than normal 911 convertibles).
Lowlands said:
Can’t help you with any actual transaction values but a 2016 Cali T with c5k miles failed to sell on Collecting Cars a few weeks ago. Bids reached £88.5k I think (check the first post on the CC auction results thread).
I was looking for an early Cali at the start of the year but might just wait to see where Ts end up at. Can’t help with spec either I’m afraid. I just want a convertible Ferrari with some extra back seat space for my dog. Everything else is a bonus.
In terms of alternatives, I’m also looking at Targas and 911 Turbos (for some reason I think they look better than normal 911 convertibles).
With you all he way here, 911 convertibles just don’t look right, it would be targa for me, I also think with so many Cali for sale you could gag a bargain.
If they don’t sell then one has to question the perceived value of them.
If I saw a red/ cream Cali T around the 70 k Mark I would be tempted myself.
I was looking for an early Cali at the start of the year but might just wait to see where Ts end up at. Can’t help with spec either I’m afraid. I just want a convertible Ferrari with some extra back seat space for my dog. Everything else is a bonus.
In terms of alternatives, I’m also looking at Targas and 911 Turbos (for some reason I think they look better than normal 911 convertibles).
With you all he way here, 911 convertibles just don’t look right, it would be targa for me, I also think with so many Cali for sale you could gag a bargain.
If they don’t sell then one has to question the perceived value of them.
If I saw a red/ cream Cali T around the 70 k Mark I would be tempted myself.
My Cali (2010 model) was Azzurro California (the launch colour) and it was gorgeous but you don’t see many around. I don’t think Rosso Corsa or Nero do anything for a California. It’s a summertime car and deserves a suitable colour - I think light metallics easily the best.
Edited by willy wombat on Tuesday 2nd June 17:22
jtremlett said:
I agree with Anopax but, just for the record (and bearing in mind that I haven't updated my numbers for a little while), UK RHD California Ts are (rounded to nearest whole percent):
42% red
16% grey
14% black
11% white
11% blue
5% silver
All other colours have fewer than 10 examples.
This dispels a few myths. We all knew that Red would be top of the pops, but a broad equal spread across Grigio/Nero/Blanco/Blu is in contrast to what I have read, which was that the U.K. favourite Ferrari colours were Rosso/Crema and Nero/Nero.42% red
16% grey
14% black
11% white
11% blue
5% silver
All other colours have fewer than 10 examples.
bden said:
den said: I didn’t mean to make this about depreciation. I am considering the Cali T for the same reasons you are. A bit less shouty, hence also not looking for red.
As evidenced by the above postings which are super helpful, finding “market value” is very challenging at the moment. I don’t need the deal of the century but it would be great if anyone has some actual transaction prices on Cali T.
I cannot see them fetching 100k when the 458 and Huracan are within 10% thereof. Maybe that a wrong way of looking at it.
Just out of curiosity, what were the alternatives considered before deciding for the Cali?
Personally, the big thing with the Cali is the 2 + 2. Took my wife and son to see a 570 last week and my 5 year old just looked at me and said "Where do I sit" lol, so all 2 seaters crossed off the list, even tho it's my fun car the kids still want to enjoy it with me.As evidenced by the above postings which are super helpful, finding “market value” is very challenging at the moment. I don’t need the deal of the century but it would be great if anyone has some actual transaction prices on Cali T.
I cannot see them fetching 100k when the 458 and Huracan are within 10% thereof. Maybe that a wrong way of looking at it.
Just out of curiosity, what were the alternatives considered before deciding for the Cali?
So for me, that left: M8, 911, Cali / Cali T, DB11
M8 and 911 just aren't "special" enough so that leaves us with 2,
I drove the DB11 V12 with AMR update at Aston Martin Notts at the weekend and my god did that thing sound amazing! I drove a 2012 Cali Friday in the sun with the roof down. Even tho it didn't sound as good as the Aston and the interior wasn't as nice it was so much more fun. And my 5-year-old fit in the backseats no problem.
Want to get my hands on a Cali T now, off to Ferrari today to see if I can get a test drive
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